Today I received a letter from LHDN titled 'Pemberithuan memulakan pendakwaan' saying need to pay compound because failed to 'mengemukakan Borang E'.

My company is sole proprietor and file Borang B every year. Not hiring anyone. Anyone encounter that before? It says must paid within 30 days. However, I don know the amount etc. Feeling lost.

ma go damansra perdana ask him detail lolzzz.z..
i oso dont know many things...
dont know ma go ask for

what is Borang E?

Borang E is employers responsibility.

It needs to file a return every year before end of March.

Read below.

The LHDNM (Inland Revenue Board of Malaysia) reminded employers that the due date for submitting Form E (Remuneration for the year 2012) is 31 March 2013.

Failure in submitting the form is an offence and action may be taken under Paragraph 120(1)(b), Income Tax Act 1967 and upon conviction, offenders may be liable to a fine of RM 200.00 to RM 2,000.00 or imprisonment (not more than 6 month) or both.

Wah, sound serious, but I'm not hiring anyone still have to file? so what can i do now?

just go to irb and tell the officer that you don't have any staff, then return the borang e. very simple only. maybe can avoid the compound

You yourself is an employee. Did you pay STD aka PCB?

It's better to write a cover letter stating the ground before heading to IRB.

Normally E form is for a company.

No. So far I have not paying myself single cent. I have other oversea income.

This post has been edited by blockblevel11: Aug 7 2013, 07:54 PM

http://www.kpmg.com.my/kpmg/publications/t.../a0053s0083.htm

Ok, oversea income isn't derived from Malaysia so it's not taxable.

For the E form, maybe you have registered an E account before. No. Majikan. Did you?

If you don't, they won't simply create an E number for you. There is one sheet of form need to be filled and signed when registration.

If you registered, then you must file a return.

Look at the letter ref number, is there any Exxxxxxx number?

Ok. Somehow, I have the number. I logged into the LHDN Borong E site. I filled them in with no employee.. All empty. Is that ok? And submitted online. Think going to print all the pdfs and attached to the letter and maybe write a letter to say sorry. Go on monday...

Appeal lo, in ur case maybe fine RM200 or close case.

It is ok to fill an empty return , but the due date was 31/3/13. Must on or before.

Don't write sorry. If you are proven you are right, write it with humble, saying you are going to update their records.

"Saya dengan ini ingin mengemaskini rekod tuan bahawa ....."

If say sorry it's proven you wrong in the first place.

I see. Great thanks a lot ck23. Too bad long holiday till monday.

Got friend this problem also. Wonder how u solve it?

This post has been edited by netmatrix: Nov 25 2014, 02:41 AM

So last Thursday, we went to lhdn to check this failure to ful borang E problem. You know what, lhdn is scamming money with this. It is actually a law that they made to exploit for their own benefit.

So we found out that friend company failed to send back E file which is employee file. And every year that you fail to send it back automatically x2 the amount of compound.

1st year Rm100. 2nd year Rm200, 3rd year Rm400 and so forth. And my friend company failed to submit for 8 years. 5 years they will issue lawyer letter for the offence and you cannot negotiate the amount. So 5 years compound is Rm3200. Then the cycle will start again from Rm 100 for 6th year and x2 for 7th year so forth.

My friend was compound Rm3600 for 8 years. And the Lhdn guy did not budge on the payment at all! He even has the cheek to tell me they handle this case all too frequently!

Whats worse is those who are self employed are encouraged to open an employee file for taxation. But they were told not necessary to submit if you do not have employee. But they never told that it is complusory to file because there is a file number in their system! So accounts ppl will get trapped!

So a message to everyone with a business that have a E file in Lhdn, fill up the form and submit. Else get compound for nothing but a trap by Lhdn. My friend burn Rm 3600 for that!!!!!

its not a trap... it's a penalty for those errant like your friend. so he prefer to pay RM3600 or stay in jail few years?


like those common saying last time... Salary less than RMxxxx no need do income tax. WRONG.. as long as there are deduction you MUST do income tax, else they will back track up to 7 years. I also was one that affected by that thinking.. LHDN says back, "who said so?"

Problem is, his accounting is done by another person hot him. And every document was handed over to the accounts guy including B and E. But the form is returned to my friend because say its all computerized. That was back in 04. He kept getting E file and the accounts fella says not need to submit back because he does not have staff at all. End up getting a lawyer letter for that. The compound is super ridiculous price. Power of 2 every year. 5 years RM3200. Not negotiable because of court letter. No matter how much we nego to cut the amount, the Lhdn fella say wanna nego, go to court. Even then have to pay. And have lawyer fees also. Dammit!! Nowhere to run.

So now the the problem is should my friend claim the compound fees from the accounting guy or what? He thought of splitting it 50/50 just to be fair. But i was thinking more like all of it.

May I now how was the status of ur submission of form E without employee?

Interesting to reopen this topic after 3years passes.

i am interested on this topic as well.
i just open a sole prop biz.. Is it we must go file this borang E as well even though no employee yet?

wish to know too

No employee no need form E... for sole prop

what about for company with no employees? a holdings company

got notice for compound

Yes. With and without employee, you need to submit the Borang-E every year.

I got the compound too

Anyone can give a step-by-step guide on the submission of Borang E? THANKS

want to know this too.

same, wish to know this also..expiry date is end of march?

All employer are required to furnish the Form E return by 31 March every year, be it sole proprietor, partnership, sdn bhd, or bhd.

Even the company is not employing any employee, one still need to file in the Form E.

hi guys,
Did foreign worker have to fill out the borang E?

Dear All,
Appreciate if anyone can clarify.

1. For new business (partnership) with no employee, how do we file in Form E if we have not registered with IRB to be "majikan"? Do the partners need to visit IRB to register as "majikan" first?

2. For dormant business (zero transaction from Day 1), I understand we do not need to register a tax file? Do we still need to file Form E for dormant company?


thank you very much.



This post has been edited by greenmacha: Mar 24 2018, 11:51 PM

All employee should be included in the Form E.
As if foreign worker earned more than taxable threshold, they need to pay tax as well.

Since 2014, even dormant company also need to furnish Form E.

http://lampiran2.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/Pr...NCP_2016_a2.pdf
2.2 Dormant * Companies, Limited Liability Partnerships, Trust
Bodies And Co-operative Societies
2.2.1 Dormant * companies, limited liability partnerships, trust
bodies and co-operative societies are required to furnish the
ITRF (including Form E) with effect from Year of Assessment
2014.

Thank you very much for the information. When I register for tax file last year, someone from LHDN there told me no need to register for E form if I have no employees, otherwise every year kena submit E form. Advise me to register for E form only when I want to hire employees
Looks like have to make my way there again.

I just submitted Borang E online, not sure is the system working.

You get the acknowledgement page (with a small chop) when it is done.

The system asks me wait 3 days to check status.

Do I need to upload any supporting documents?

You just need to key in the details needed in the Form, and fill in/upload the info regarding employee wages on the CP8D section.

For those already upload the data through e-data praisi before 22/2/18.
Just fill in the form E, and inside just tick the data has been submitted through praisi.

Hello, sorry to reopen this topic after a year.

I was under the impression that Companies (Sdn Bhd) do not need to submit Borang E if it doesnt have any employees. I just realised that I was wrong, and submitted the Borang E for my client last night. Of course, I took the responsibility for the mistake and have promised to pay for the compound when it arises.

Okay, my question, from those who got compounds before, how much the compound usually is? I read all around, it was all about penalties for "Failure to Submit", but I submitted late, instead, before they compounded me.

I hope it is like RM 200 (the minimum), given that there was no employee to start with.

Thanks in advance for the reply.

Someone mentioned above that the compound for 1st year is RM 200
Subsequent years compound is previous year compound X2

I wish to know, any penalty letter come from LHDN after you submitted the due submission?

Hope to receive your reply.

TBH 8 years do business but just kena RM3600 already macam monyet kena belacan. Looks like your friend is no different from T20 and SME that ask for GOV help.

Daftar Majikan , Dapatkan No E.XXXXXXX
http://edaftar.hasil.gov.my/dafemajikan.php

Isikan E-Borang/ Filling
http://lampiran1.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfboran...ng_E_2019_1.pdf

Extended
Dateline submission.