No kidding?

Cons:
No Flash
No palm rejection
Poor speaker

Plus:
Good screen
Largest phablet

Oh.... left handers will have problems with writing on the XZU?

What kind of bad experience with your XZ?

Well Sony is following the same design philosophy across the Z family, and everyone's also annoyed that they gave the flimsy excuse of skimping on the LED flash to fit the thinness....

And both the Z and ZU share the glass back. I guess you will find hotspots on your phone.

My 2 sen.

Well I would say that was the first thing I looked out for ever since they started showing videos. @deddo kindly did the demo on failed palm rejection for us all yesterday, and IINM, he is the first person in the world to do it. Nobody else has picked up on this in the West since they haven't gotten their hands on it, and I think the HK review site only did conductive stylus testing without considering palm rejection either.

Fail on writing as a gimmick, but otherwise useful as a smaller-than-7-inch-device.

I do not think firmware will solve the palm rejection as it has to do with the digitizer hardware differentiating between 2 conductive areas.

A Wacom digitizer can differentiate between the resonant stylus vs your body's resistance, and this is, IMHO, not present in the XZU digitizer.


Thank you uncle for your resounding vote for the Note 2 stylus.

Hi uncle, did you add in the extra toggle row from a built-in setting or via a widget (Notification Toggle) ?

For those who value stylus input the zu doesn't cut it at all. I tested it too.

Apart from this if u want a big media consumption device it's fine.

1) jotting short notes during calls n meetings. The note2 CAN take notes during hour long meetings using s note or handy note by scribbling just like normal paper.

Pdf signing is not used unless legally recognized.

My take on the stylus issue is that nobody actually tested palm rejection in any review so far. Uncles' review and deddo's are probably world firsts (Marehsia boleh !!!!)

And if you consider that using 2 point touch in most UI actions is supposed to mean zoom or pinch or scroll, you will never get any input with 2 points touching the screen. It is also the same in Note 2 when you have to use 2 fingers to sketch. With the S-pen, it will ignore your finger/palm and use the stylus as input.

However, palm rejection may (BIG may) be addressed by new firmware, although you have to consider Microsoft tried this for many years, and palm rejection ultimately ended up being handled by active digitizers which can differentiate active stylus input vs body capacitance.

In the case of the XZ, the CONDUCTIVE stylus you have to use is using your body's capacitance to "power" the stylus, so to the digitizer it will still "see" 2 finger touches, so I do not know if ever any kind of firmware update will fix this.

The only good thing is they managed to bring down the detection area from 4mm for standard capacitive screen to 1mm on their screen.

This post has been edited by joytest: Jul 29 2013, 03:19 PM

Well, the issue is not really handwriting recognition, that still sucks (badly or not so badly) whatever the platform. The issue is actually to do with the sales proposition that you can use anything as a stylus, and the message that it's supposed to improve your productivity.

See, I believe I was the first to raise the point of proper stylus use where you use the screen like a piece of paper. I remarked that every video FROM SONY ever shown that shows the handwriting, you can observe that the model always holds the hand ABOVE the screen. You can verify this by checking every video of the XZU out there.

And from all the current reviews and unboxing etc, they all test the stylus function as an afterthough like "gee, I can use a normal pencil to write!!!" and then they too write holding the hand ABOVE the screen. Whether it's a directive from Sony or because they never used a stylus with their other phones I don't know, but I'm only saying that the stylus functionality is badly borked and it should not be advertised as a prominent feature, since this does not really distinguish it from other capacitive screens.

Note series advertised the stylus functionality as a major feature and as gogo2 said, it works out of the box properly.

My 2 sen is that no firmware update will solve the palm rejection on the XZU.

I would have gotten it if it were not for the stylus problem.

Image overlay or whatever draw/sketch/write feature is fine.

My main gripe is the palm rejection. Whatever you want to write/scribble has to be done with your palm above the screen. And you need to have some correctly conductive writing instrument handy.

Personally I find the device too thin.

No flash. Coz they wanted it anorexic.

The size of the XZU lets it replace everything....except for the A5 paper notepad if it did it would be the perfect device.

Well if the stylus input improves and the sketch app can be treated like a piece of paper, it will be interesting.

However it looks like u need to carry a standard lead pencil around to make it work properly. My concern is still proper palm rejection. Andrew said the stylus wont work if u have a finger or palm on the screen.

OT but it's incredibly difficult to find shirts w pockets.

Backlight died? Happened before to my other device. Stare closely at the screen, you may be able to see faint images of your app icons. If this is the case, backlight died.... force restart a few times see if it gets "fixed"

Well, for a brand new device and this to happen....

I think some will welcome your technical explanations. Doesn't the Snapdragon have something called Fastcharge which was disabled on the HTC1? Don't know if it's enabled for the XZU.

It seems that because it is advertised as water proof, people tend to get a little more callous with their devices and allow spills to happen, then they go wash it. Several cases of water leak happened in the XZ thread due to washing, and I suspect the seals somehow popped open allowing water ingress.

One guy went swimming with his S4 Active and water went in as well......

I'd say water and electronics should never mix except for accidents.

Errr.....




This post has been edited by joytest: Aug 1 2013, 05:56 PM