QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 25 2013, 12:58 AM)
i do come across people who say "neither here not there" from time to time but regardless how they say it - the Internet is has plenty of beautiful photos taken by those so-they-call-it "neither here not there" combo.
Yes, like you mentioned, it depends on individual style and personal preference. I'm one of those who think the 50mm on DX is neither here nor there. I'm quite pleased with the performance and outcome when I used it, but definitely feel focal lengths like the 85mm or even the 135mm on DX was more comfortable to me.
QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 25 2013, 09:27 AM)
None of those are an issue once people understand how the factors affect those lens.
Yes, walkabout on a 50mm is a pain, that's why people buy 28 - 35mm range prime for APS-C walk about.
ehh not much trouble what.
a 17-50 lens, like say the Tamron, is a lot cheaper than say a Nikon 16-35 F4 VR.
I think it's fair to go for the APS-C alternative for lower cost.
There's no reason to splurge on high-grade lenses for anyone who's starting.
This applies to many brands too, Sony's 16-35 and Canon's 16-35, all cost a bomb.
There are other good APS-C alternatives that doesn't drill a big whole in a person's finance just to save that little trouble.
Definitely cheaper to go 3rd party. Anyway, it depends on how serious you want to be in the hobby. Usually, 3rd party lenses perform slightly less than their original counterparts except for the newer breed of Sigma 35mm f/1.4 or Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 lenses. Hope more are coming.
It's generally a compromise. But if you're a casual shooter and want something that works decent but does not break the bank, 3rd party lenses are the way to go.
If you find yourself getting serious and would see yourself grow more into the hobby, you'll make the same exercise of dumping your old gear and upgrading to the more expensive originals and at the same time take a loss on the old 3rd party gear. Note that usually non 3rd party Nikon lenses usually command a higher 2nd hand price and are usually more sought after. Hence you don't have to worry about huge losses in the event you need to sell your original Nikon lenses.
QUOTE(QiAnG @ Aug 25 2013, 02:21 PM)
Hello guys, been a constant reader here for quite some time but never really posted anything except on the Fuji thread because I own an x100.
Noticed the limitation on my x100 while shooting a church event few weeks ago, so am planning to get a used d7000 along with a long 2.8 telephoto
With my budget, I've narrowed down to 2 lenses, Nikon 80-200 2.8 AFD Push Pull and Sigma 70-200 2.8 APO Macro II. Need some suggestions on which lenses has the better value for money, been researching for weeks and still couldn't get an answer =.=
Wanting to try them both out but it's impossible to find these used stuffs in Miri, even new ones are hard to come by. So I hope some sifus here who might've used them can give me some feedback in these 2 lenses =)
Is the lighting enough for f/2.8? What ISOs were you metering from your x100?
The longer lenses require higher shutter speed if you don't have image stabilization / VR. A way of getting around this is a monopod. It sometimes hinder flexibility but helps to ease the weight a lot for long hours.
The D7000 is fine for high ISOs but if you consistently hit 3200 or 6400, you'll be better with full frame bodies like the D700 or opt for bigger aperture lenses like dvlzplayground mentioned (85mm f/1.8). But if you need larger DoF, smaller apertures will require higher ISOs. Else, invest in an external flash / speedlight.
QUOTE(QiAnG @ Aug 25 2013, 02:48 PM)
I'll still keep my x100 though, and shoot together with the d7000 as a wider alternative to the tele lens. It's a nice little cam and got me many nice shots too, love it very much, AF doesn't really bother me too, it's the final image that counts

AF can be quite important when you want to shoot candids. Push pull is very old optics but much cheaper. Try and find the newer 2 touch AF-D 80-200mm f/2.8. Both still stellar though. The Sigma can be faster focusing and quite comparable in image quality.
QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2013, 04:48 PM)
x100 alone wont be good enough to cover an event

i dont know about the sigma but the nikon 80-200 push pull is too heavy for me. there's a camera shop behind sin liang selling this lens used (maybe uve been there? haha). tried it before... AF speed is kinda slow though.
my solution for a long range fast lens is the 85/1.8G. wayyy faster, cheaper n lighter than any 70/80-200 but need to crop a lot haha

saw too many friends selling their 70-200 cuz of the size n weight
Everything is a compromise. Heavy but images will be excellent when properly executed.
The 85mm f/1.8 prime (or any primes) is nice but if one wants to cover a wedding event, a zoom is handy. Especially if you are going solo. If you're a backup shooter, is ok to miss some important shots.
QUOTE(ifer @ Aug 26 2013, 10:59 AM)
eh, come to think of it, almost 90% of my photographs were shot using the focal length in the range of 35mm to 70mm. these focal length were used across all different formats of sensors lol.
perhaps i should get back the old but gold 35-70mm f2.8 nikkor lens.
Reminds me that I still have a slightly fogged 35-70mm f/2.8 that probably needs a few elements replaced. Can opening it up and physically cleaning it help to permanently clear the fog? If fungus, it's more serious since lens coating is affected.
QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 26 2013, 12:00 PM)
And what if the user doesn't use UWA? Too bad liao, again still have to sell off. Still have to buy a lens that fits the standard zoom range.
The loss when selling a FF Nikon lens is less than say selling off a 3rd party lens.
Anyway, usually the reason people upgrade to FF is because of the need to go wider and of course for better noise performance.