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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V134, CI step into 1800, are you happy?

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post Aug 6 2013, 07:29 PM

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Fight with Taikor, this is the result. tongue.gif

From Alex,

The latest move by Petroliam Nasional Bhd (Petronas) to procure its liquefied natural gas (LNG) tankers directly rather than from MISC Bhd would have very negative implication on MISC. This means that MISC's top-line & bottom-line will unlikely to grow or more likely to drop in the future. In addition, this in-your-face move that follows so shortly after the unsuccessful privatization attempt by Petronas would mean that Petronas may make another attempt at privatization in the near future. It would certainly like to see the share price moves lower so that its next offer, when it comes, will be well-received. This tantamount to shareholders' bullying- something which many did not expect from Petronas.

Under such circumstances, the only thing to do is to dispose of the stock and move on.


http://nexttrade.blogspot.com/2013/08/misc...buy-my-own.html
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post Aug 13 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 13 2013, 09:59 AM)
Incoming Malton result is going to be very good ka? laugh.gif
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maybe not. this one is more long term play, been accumulating in past 2 months. mega projects on pipeline, that takes 3-5 years to build? i guess. hmm.gif
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post Aug 13 2013, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Aug 13 2013, 04:33 PM)
MRT sukuk is below offering price RM100... ppl no faith in it ??? O_o
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i bet it's the world market sentiment. now everyone joins in selling bonds. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 14 2013, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Aug 14 2013, 12:14 PM)
ic....
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HK cancels trading for today, due to typhoon utor
SG, CN, MY 3 headless chickens without HK leading.. haha
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no wonder, HK stocks price not moving. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Aug 14 2013, 02:51 PM)
hmm.gif my watchlist counters mostly refuse to up anymore................even CI +10p yesterday

except GAB laugh.gif
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GAB needs to wait for Ajib report on tax before buying... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Aug 14 2013, 03:50 PM)
hmm.gif Panamy stagnant at RM26 quite some time..............dun know what happen after divvy ex-date
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Aug 14 2013, 05:14 PM)
biggrin.gif My view, sell in Sept, buy in Feb.................
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one thing i learn in last 3 years: can't predict market.
when people predict gold will shoot up to the sky when Fed announced QEs, it didn't. In fact, it fell sharply.
when people predict severe inflation worldwide when Fed said non-stop QE, it only happened in few countries, even so it's under manageable condition, nothing serious. Commodities price still stay low, no flaming up like past QEs.
when people predict this round of highly uncertain GE result will kill the market sharply, it didn't, it just mildly corrected.
People said US is going to die from massive QE, and no, it doesn't. In fact, it recovers nicely.
Europe zone will break? No, it didn't happen. It is now even growing mildly.
China will die from bad debt? No, it doesn't. It's consolidating and progressing well in control.

conclusion, i give up predict market on stock trading. I'd rather stay with fundamentals and trade accordingly. I'd missed the big bull too many times, I learn my lesson. unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 14 2013, 05:32 PM)
What are people predicting now?  laugh.gif
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QE tapering, world market bear attack. What you think? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 14 2013, 05:38 PM)
HI YOK70,

when you heard any prediction feel toward you, let us know.

You dnt buy, I buy....WHen you buy ....let us know...I wait you buy.

whistling.gif  today jokes....
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not i jump you jump meh?
or maybe i cut you cut. cool.gif
my recent months purchasing of HK and US stocks are the biggest winning recent trade. up 30% average in just few months. This is when whole world scare china will die from slow down. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 14 2013, 06:44 PM)
From about 20 years + experience in the market, I only knew most prediction/expectation gone wrong one.
And the more people predict it or expect it to happen, the least it can happen.

Nobody or little people predicted 1997 Asian financial crisis, prior before 1996.

Little people expect dotcom bubble burst in big way. I still remembered many said, if your company has no website, you have no future at that time. I was puzzled how can?
In the future everything online, ya, more online facilities, but still we go to supermarket to buy groceries after rise of dotcom decade ago.
Lot of dotcom company went burst instead of conventional old type business.

Little expect 2008 global financial crisis as well.

So the more people talk about, predict/expect, the least change it may happen.
Those "shock", "crash" in the market, always come in a surprise way.

Same with stocks, the more people rush into the same stocks, the higher risk of it crashing down afterwards.  tongue.gif
See how nobody interested in reit few years ago.
But now a lot of people interested in reit, and reit crashing down.  tongue.gif

In other world, mass decision a lot of time was at the wrong end one. At least from my observation/experience.
Just my lousy conclusion based on experience.  tongue.gif
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Thanks for sharing. cool.gif

Today received panamy's annual report, its 5-yrs statistic data on various prospects are steady. I regret selling half of my holding early this year when Japan economy in big trouble, although I know Panamy not so related to its parent company. This speculation move that had no fundamental backup was one of the mistakes I made. I thought I could buy back at lower price. 5% cheaper? Not happy. 8%? Not happy. Oops, sorry, it rebounds. This mistake reduce my profit by 20% on those sold stake. Sometimes, being "too smart" is really not a good thing.

Now, my speculating trading based on this. I use the cash holding to play short trading game. ie, if I plan to buy $100k on a stock, anything exceed that amount will consider trading game by using the cash holding portion. Say I may buy $110k, but that exceeding 10k is for short term trading purpose.

Speaking of REIT. My reits holding from paper profit of 16% into 2% today. In addition to the dividend received while holding them (1-3 years) roughly 10% in total I guess.
Now I learn REIT is not "that defensive". I'm planning to re-balance my profile to move some reits into other high yield stocks such as Panamy. After dividend ex, panamy may fall sharply in next 2-3 months, that would be good chance to accumulate. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Aug 14 2013, 08:11 PM)
The lesson is, do the opposite of what you predict. HUAT AH!
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I wish it's that simple. like black and white logic. btw, i said people predict, not I predict. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Aug 14 2013, 09:17 PM)
I start to suspect REITs' requirement to distribute 90% of their earnings are not so great after all. Yes, we get more dividend. But whenever a REIT plans to acquire new buildings, it needs to borrow from bank or issues new units.
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you are right. there is good and bad side from it. nod.gif


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post Aug 15 2013, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 15 2013, 11:07 AM)
Reit is not actually beaten down badly, it is just those previously had great run up to the upside, correcting back.
In fact, at current moment, most reit price still higher than price 2-3 years ago, or average price on longer term.
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True. My overall REITs that trade (buy and sell) from 2011-2013, still at profit. I guess, excluding of dividend, maybe 15% profit at current price. When it's peak, I guess around 10-15% more paper profit. laugh.gif

Still, REIT is consider defensive as it's not easy to get huge loss like some other stocks did that 2 days can loss 50%. However, the lesson of "do not chase high, always monitor the yield" is a hard learn lesson for me. nod.gif

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bought first batch of plantation, sop. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Top Gun @ Aug 15 2013, 03:27 PM)
Wat lau eh, SKPRES sharks don't be so fierce leh. I was looking at my facebook and you already ate my shares. cry.gif
Faster give back to me leh. sad.gif
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this one so geng! i sold it last year at current price. what a swing. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 15 2013, 03:37 PM)
how much? my plantation list too.
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5.55. it range bound at this price for 6 months already. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Top Gun @ Aug 15 2013, 03:40 PM)
You still hold your Malton? This one is also going to be very geng in no time. flex.gif
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of course. i'll only add more and won't sell until it reaches 1.80. It is now my biggest holding on property stocks. biggrin.gif

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wah, my hk/china stocks shoot to the sky! giordano very pretty today. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 15 2013, 04:03 PM)
30/08 SOP will publish their Qtr report, must be good news.
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i have no idea. I also not too keen for that. More into looking CPO price may have bottomed, may slowly recover in next 2 years. sweat.gif
i like sop's young tree profile. it takes time (years) to mature, but future looks good as plantation land is not easy to get anymore.

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