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post Jul 29 2013, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(kof91 @ Jul 28 2013, 08:10 PM)
its general public ppl most cannot get the idea of project failure or slippage.. sure shitstorm one
especially after the dev set their own release date..
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Thats the problem but the devs should be more open and reach out to the fans too, even just a kickstarter update so that they know whats going on.

QUOTE(diehard1979 @ Jul 28 2013, 08:11 PM)
No choice, nowadays those AAA title that come out by those publisher are very bad. All try to use dlc to keep sucking money.

1 game with US60 still not enough, then come out stupid dlc to grab money. Some just cosmetic is ok cos not affecting the gameplay but some it add up something and if it is multiplayer, you can't play if you not continue to buy those dlc cos most of ppl will move to those server that support those dlc. In the end, 1 game become almost US80-100. Then suddenly they announce same title with "2" on it. It almost same as previous except add a few feature which suppose they can update into game 1 but now they come out 2 and then later another dlc series to make it US80-100 again.
Then the cycle continue.
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I dont think the DLCs are handled as badly as before as a lot of the DLCs has been focusing on mainly adding lots of content, such as DLCs from games like Borderlands 2, Skyrim, Dishonored, Crusader King 2 and even Battlefield 3 to the point, some DLCs are essential to enjoy the game. These DLCs add a tonne of content to the price to pay and I dont see whats wrong of paying up for it if you are enjoying the game.

QUOTE(diehard1979 @ Jul 28 2013, 08:11 PM)
although they can't come out a good graphic game but most of the time, their game are better gameplay and more fun compare to those AAA.
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Limit Theory, Project CARS and Distance say hi.







And these games are all still pre-alpha where the graphics will be continued to be improved as time goes by. The most amazing fact is Limit Theory is made by one Stanford computer science student without using any existing engines or codes.

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post Jul 29 2013, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(kof91 @ Jul 29 2013, 10:41 AM)
so far project eternity and wasteland 2 doing a good job with update

I want limit theory, missed the kickstarter deadline  sad.gif 
I wish they have preorder or early access
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Limit Theory also have a very good update system, as he posts graphical updates each month as any backend improvements wont be easy to show on videos.

I think quite a few projects are pretty good at updates, like Battle Worlds and PA. Just that Nekro, Distance and Grim Dawn is kinda sucky on it.
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post Jul 29 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(kof91 @ Jul 29 2013, 11:02 AM)
grimdawn update is mostly on its own forum.. did u have the alpha/beta access?

so far none of the project I funded is released yet..  sweat.gif
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The problem is, not everyone check the forums. sweat.gif

I really cant keep up to 10+ projects i had pledged.

I only got one released, Strike Suit Zero and it sucked. doh.gif
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post Jul 29 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(kof91 @ Jul 29 2013, 11:08 AM)
yeah but for the dev it is easier to update on the forums

wow 10+ proj..

SSZ kinda sux starting mission 5, boring mission.. long and repetitive mission with check point salah parking  sweat.gif
this kinda put the whole game pacing off..
overall combat is okay but getting hit kinda feels like not sure u r being hit.. dangerous and die without knowing wat hits u
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I pledged a lot as i think, i rather put money to let indies have a shot to make something truly theirs, than buying more AAA games.

Its true that its easier to update on forums but it quite impossible to check each of them to be honest.

SSZ's problem is pacing, difficulty and checkpoints as it is done terribly to the point that i dont even want to continue it.
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post Jul 29 2013, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(ik3da @ Jul 29 2013, 11:25 AM)
For Borderlands 2, agreed though I am rather disappointed that they are not going to release any more season pass for the newer DLCs. Buying each individually gonna be painful and waiting for GOTY gonna be a drag.

I got project Eternity + Star Citizen, and man, they really spam my inbox with updates. I guess in some sense, at least there are some updates and not the bad news like what happened with a board game project from Kickstarter. The big guy just say “I quit” one day and there goes the project - $120k+ gone down the drain.
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Borderlands 2, I think i dont give a crap about it anymore, as UVHM is just unfun to play solo as it felt like Gearbox trying to force people to play coop considering they have been giving more and more raid bosses in their DLCs, which I also dont want. Still, i enjoyed my time there, so its time to move on.

Eternity and Star Citizen are quite good at keeping people up to date, but most of my other projects arent so good. There is always a chance of failure though, regardless of size of the project.

QUOTE(Savor_Savvy @ Jul 29 2013, 11:27 AM)
i have $7.87 in my wallet after selling some tf2 items and cards. should i buy shadowrun using that? i need some racun..
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Keep them as you have tonnes of games anyway and price will go down sooner or later. Unless you want it now.

I got $30+ in my Steam wallet and im keeping them for Winter sales.

QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jul 29 2013, 11:31 AM)
As for DLC...yeah it seems that almost all developer do not appreciate the early buyer. mad.gif Early buyer get stuff down the throat with expensive DLCs when the goty edition is much cheaper. I still dont get it why cant they just give special discount to existing owner of base game.
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IMO, buying a game or DLC early is just like paying more for early access. Nothing wrong with that if you really want to play it now and they arent forcing you to buy early, if not just wait for years till the GOTY version is $2.50.
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post Jul 29 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(limjenson @ Jul 29 2013, 11:44 AM)
Generally the only reason for me to buy a game early it's if I want to play multi player with others. Otherwise, I am fine with waiting a year or two for the price to drop.
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Considering that i gave up on any sort of multiplayer game, except its asynchronous multiplayer that some of the upcoming TBS has, I pretty much only play for SP so i only buy on release on the basis that i think the game has potential.


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post Jul 29 2013, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jul 29 2013, 11:46 AM)
no I didnt mean for the early DLC buyers, I mean if u own a base game, the Goty edition is out they are still charging u expensive DLCs so much to a point that buying all the DLC is almost the price of the GOTY itself, sometimes for same games, DLCs alone individually is more expensive than the GOTY itself. It just doesnt make any sense at all.

due to this I actually wont mind waiting till goty out(while clearing my backlog).

Or just create a dupe acc, buy the goty and add it on dupe acc, hey at least there is a reason now since by owning 2 copies of base u can craft a badge right away. *login/out just 2 Accounts, isnt really troublesome on steam.
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It's nice when devs give you the option to upgrade your existing copy cheaply or give you an additional but i dont think every developers entitled to do that which is why i still kept buying all the Civ V expansions despite i didnt even play them because Firaxis are a bunch of nice guys who genuinely cares about making fun games. Personally, I am alright with it as the entire DLC practise isnt as ridiculous as the whole IAP business model in mobile games. I only buy DLCs on sales anyway, as it is cheap enough to justify the cost.

I rather have one Steam account and lose multiple copies of the same game as at the end, you only need one copy of the same game. And its quite annoying to see people owning multiple accounts when you want to talk to them, you have to go through multiple dup accounts to find the same person. I know a guy who separates his Steam account based on genre and its damn annoying to find him in the friends list.

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post Jul 29 2013, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(diehard1979 @ Jul 29 2013, 12:11 PM)
Any opinion on these 2 kickstarter?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196697...rs-and-battles/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/116887...e-you-build-th/

I feel that organic panic not bad.
While wars and battles although is turn base, but they put the pledge reward is like 1 battle per level of pledge and then another add more for another platform to play it.
If you only play with PC then it is ok, but if you want to go in pc and smartphone, you have to pledge more.
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Dont think i'll pledge any of them, doesnt look very interesting to me and I dont know who are the devs. Im actually a bit scared of developers that never shipped a project before, unless they have amazing talent like the LT guy or a project that is quite far in the development.

I had used up my money for Warmachine too.

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post Jul 29 2013, 12:42 PM

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It's like all the Venomancers trying to give each other antidote while trying to poison the newbies. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jul 29 2013, 12:41 PM)
as far as I know, only Firaxis do this kind of thing. Havent see many other AAA developer do this.

as for steam acc, I am not going more than 2 accs, so I am ok with 2 smile.gif
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Well, thats why i still buy Firaxis's stuff and even their mobile games are actually decent. Will buy Brave New Worlds when its $7.50.


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post Jul 29 2013, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(limjenson @ Jul 29 2013, 01:28 PM)
That is a little extreme.
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Then, dunno what happened to him and disappeared from Steam.

So, i just removed him. He was quite extreme with it for some reasons. sweat.gif

More like Venomancers are immune to their own poisons cause they have it d.
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post Jul 29 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(grim.fandango @ Jul 29 2013, 02:08 PM)
another kickstarter project appeared in steam.

space hulk.

looks gooding.
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Space Hulk isnt a kickstarter project.

They fund the game themselves.
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post Jul 29 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Scar_face @ Jul 29 2013, 02:30 PM)
no..for me look bad..plus using warhammer name..it should be epic..like space marine..or dawn of war  doh.gif
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Space Hulk is an actual board game from Warhammer 40k universe. It is supposed to be about a bunch of Terminators infiltrating a abandoned ancient ship.

The game is just an adaptation of the board game as a video game.

QUOTE(ik3da @ Jul 29 2013, 03:12 PM)
I am actually worried bout Star Citizen – the expectation, the money, and the pressure. It will be a very big kaput if the team doesn’t deliver enough/correctly. Now that I think bout it, I have yet to go pick up my Scout (or Mercenary, can’t remember) card from my friend.

I am currently withholding all future backings until I get either of the games or I found one idea that gives the 'Oooomph', lol.
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The problem with Star Citizen is, i felt like they still felt like all light show, not much substance at the moment because there arent any alpha builds available to the community or any actual gameplay footage.

A kickstarter project is just like any endeavors in life, as it will never be a smooth sail from the start to the end. Some will made it to the finish line while some will give up half way. I know that Broken Age having issues with their funding, it might be just a rough patch for them but i'll still think its worth risking with some disposable income that you dont mind getting nothing in return. Only if you liked their idea they pitched to you. Tim Shafer is really bad at managing their finance though.

If an idea is good, i'll still try my best to back it as i think it is better to let the indies to have their chance to develop something they truly own it themselves.

However, i really think the kickstarter model is really flawed in many ways.

Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(ik3da @ Jul 29 2013, 04:52 PM)
My problem with Kickstarter is that there seems to be so many great (and even grand) ideas but I have yet to ever gotten or see anything concrete yet. I guess for me to start dumping money, I really have to love the idea or know the developers won’t simply give up and walk away.

And yeah, Star Citizen is still bling bling without something to try yet but I can't deny that I dumped the money mainly because I just wanna captain a ship in space again. It has been way too long since a decent game like Freelancer. I can only hope that Chris Roberts don't shit on my dream, lol.
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Thats true, an idea that sounds great on paper, might not be as good in the final game.

It definitely a good idea to be cautious about kickstarters as it isnt something that anyone should throw money at it when you see it.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 29 2013, 04:15 PM)
xcom bureau worth pre-order or not?
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Worth preorder if you dont have any of the XCOM games yet.
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post Jul 30 2013, 01:31 AM

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Great, my PC is screwed up by the latest antivirus update.

Now, i cant even boot to Windows anymore. doh.gif
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post Jul 30 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jul 30 2013, 07:39 AM)
cpt jack antivirus?
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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Jul 30 2013, 08:39 AM)
Is it Avira antivirus? Yeah last night update make my line always dc. Uninstall reinstall back problem solve.
So many free antivirus around, heck windows also come with windows defender. Buy 5 pack for all pc in my house. Quite cheap laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jul 30 2013, 09:26 AM)
now i only use NIS 2013. very light on resources, did the job n most important, did not kacau my comp.
try avira free version n need to format my pc. not even restore can save me from that disaster doh.gif
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No, Avira. Dunno is it Avira cause after restoring to last known restore point also cant boot.

Now, i cant never boot into windows at all. Safe Mode or anything also crash the system. chkdsk seemed ok but when i try running the PC with one stick of RAM, the PC cant even get pass POST while 2 sticks can. RAM's dead?
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post Jul 30 2013, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jul 30 2013, 10:04 AM)
weird.. if 2 stick ram can do.. should be 1 also can boot.. try to test each ram (one at one time) to each ram slot.. see can boot or not
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Found the problem, its because the other RAM stick is in Slot 2. You need a RAM in Slot 1 or 3 to start the PC. Probably not RAM problem now but i think Avira f***s up my entire system with yesterday's update. Firstly, cant connect to internet then now, cant even boot at all.
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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Jul 30 2013, 10:29 AM)
Windows 8? Heard that avira have problem with windows 8 for the moment. It deleted certain important windows file.
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Windows 7 actually, not 8 yet. sweat.gif

Getting really strange errors in Bsod like BAD POOL HEADER.
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QUOTE(kof91 @ Jul 30 2013, 10:55 AM)
reformat, reinstall
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Looks like it has come down to that. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Jul 30 2013, 11:07 AM)
Look on the bright side. It happen before winter sale. brows.gif
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My work stuff is inside and im gonna lose my past few day's work.

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