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 Hong Leong bank evergreen fund, Have you heard of this aggressive fund ?

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post Feb 29 2016, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Bussybody @ Feb 29 2016, 06:41 PM)
Thank you, adele123.

HLA EverGain Plus has annual premium to be paid rite (like every year till the policy ends - i dont wan this kind of commitment)?

That friend is somehow considered best friend of mine so kinda hard to reject if he hard selling HLA product to me later.  cry.gif

Once i meet my friend, i will come back and ask more heheheheeee......
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Hehe.. Besy friend also can be enemy when comes to money
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post Mar 11 2016, 06:49 PM

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After reading here and there i have come to a conclusion and it is purely my opinion. Please correct me if I am wrong. I didn't look really into details the technicality and the numbers, I emphasized more on the features and concept.

Pros
1. Its an insurance therefore there will be payout if touch wood anything happens
2. And at the same time it gives you return on your premium paid. e.g you paid RMxxx and you get back RMxxx + RMxx (returns depending on the fund performance) at maturity. If the fund really perform then jackpot lo if worst case scenario you get back return almost equal FD.
3. Its protected by PIDM means its a recognized product. Bank savings account also protected but lesser than insurance.
4. Its capital guaranteed so this means if you put RMxxx you will get back RMxxx guaranteed... right?? - pls correct me if I am wrong.
5. Its also for legacy planning cause apparently if you goes down under (dead), touch wood, your next of kin will get cash from this plan within a short period compared to other assets including cash in bank accounts which might take too long to be transferred to your loves ones and also properties which might take years to settle...

Cons
1. It will locked your money until maturity: early withdrawal will not get back your full money invested. Therefore must be pretty sure you won't use that money until maturity.
2. It won't get as high return as other investments such as shares or even maybe unit trusts but those are also riskier..
3. The return might even be equal to FD but FD no insurance coverage on you ma...
4. If you are so into returns maybe you should not put your money in this instead invest in riskier schemes...

Anything else??
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post Mar 11 2016, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(vinkon @ Mar 11 2016, 06:49 PM)
After reading here and there i have come to a conclusion and it is purely my opinion. Please correct me if I am wrong. I didn't look really into details the technicality and the numbers, I emphasized more on the features and concept.

Pros
1. Its an insurance therefore there will be payout if touch wood anything happens
2. And at the same time it gives you return on your premium paid. e.g you paid RMxxx and you get back RMxxx + RMxx (returns depending on the fund performance) at maturity. If the fund really perform then jackpot lo if worst case scenario you get back return almost equal FD.
actually if the fund really perform, due to the fact that it is a structured product, they tend have exposure to fixed income fund, to stabilise their return, so best case scenario is about the return of a balanced fund. Worse case scenario, at current progress is worse than FD. a colleague of mine calculated about 2%. Also because it is an insurance product, they will deduct units to pay for insurance coverage, so your actual return if even worse scenario will be lower

3. Its protected by PIDM means its a recognized product. Bank savings account also protected but lesser than insurance.
PIDM protection limit for bank savings account is 250k per account and for insurance is 500k per policy for amount payable upon death.

4. Its capital guaranteed so this means if you put RMxxx you will get back RMxxx guaranteed... right?? - pls correct me if I am wrong.
it's not capital guaranteed. the mechanism is it has a minimum price AT maturity. only guaranteed at maturity. and only the price is guaranteed.

Example: assuming simplicity... you have 5 years premium, you bought 1200 units at RM1. Then at maturity you have 1000 units at RM1.30.

You capital is RM1200. Your current value is RM1300. This example assumes RM1.30. if any lesser, it's breakeven or negative. So NOT capital guaranteed. you ask why will the units be less, because the units are deducted to pay for certain charges.


5. Its also for legacy planning cause apparently if you goes down under (dead), touch wood, your next of kin will get cash from this plan within a short period compared to other assets including cash in bank accounts which might take too long to be transferred to your loves ones and also properties which might take years to settle...
FOR ANY insurance AND provided there was nomination done, this is applicable. not just this product

Cons
1. It will locked your money until maturity: early withdrawal will not get back your full money invested. Therefore must be pretty sure you won't use that money until maturity.
2. It won't get as high return as other investments such as shares or even maybe unit trusts but those are also riskier..
the underlying is asset invested equity-equivalent. NOT any less risky compared to unit trust
3. The return might even be equal to FD but FD no insurance coverage on you ma...
it can be less than, as above
4. If you are so into returns maybe you should not put your money in this instead invest in riskier schemes...

Anything else??
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post Mar 11 2016, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 11 2016, 07:34 PM)

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Hi adele123

If the performance is worst than FD i.e the plan achieving only 2% return then that's really bad..

From what you have replied for Pros = 1,3,5 it is fine for me but for 3 just to clarify, I thought PIDM is to protect the depositor from an institution like a bank when it goes bankrupt.. Are you saying if the bank goes bankrupt PIDM will payout when the depositor is dead??

For Pros 2 and 4 I hope you have some actual past performance that you can share to support your answers... I just want to be crystal clear if you don't mind smile.gif

For Cons number 2 - even if the underlying asset is unit trust itself but there is already a guaranteed price so I guess it will be less riskier than unit trust right? correct me if I am wrong again.

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post Mar 12 2016, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(vinkon @ Mar 11 2016, 09:25 PM)
Hi adele123

If the performance is worst than FD i.e the plan achieving only 2% return then that's really bad..

From what you have replied for Pros = 1,3,5 it is fine for me but for 3 just to clarify, I thought PIDM is to protect the depositor from an institution like a bank when it goes bankrupt.. Are you saying if the bank goes bankrupt PIDM will payout when the depositor is dead??

For Pros 2 and 4 I hope you have some actual past performance that you can share to support your answers... I just want to be crystal clear if you don't mind smile.gif

For Cons number 2 - even if the underlying asset is unit trust itself but there is already a guaranteed price so I guess it will be less riskier than unit trust right? correct me if I am wrong again.

Thank you smile.gif
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PIDM protects 2 things that i know of. one is savings account, one is insurance policy. PIDM doesn't pay out when the depositor die. i think most people don't see that pidm doesn't just protect savings, it protects insurance too.

Pros 2...

HLA EverGreen Fund 2023: Current price as at 08/03/2016 is 0.9183. Price at maturity at Dec 2023 is 1.2358. Using excel i can tell you the compounded return over 7.5 years is 4.04%. I used 7.5 year as an approximation.

HLA EverGreen Fund 2035: Current price as at 08/03/2016 is 0.8451. Price at maturity at Dec 2035 is 1.4221. Using excel again, the compounded return over 19.5 years is 2.71%, using approximation of 19.5 years.

All these information are obtained below, except of return percentage.
HLA EverGreen Fund

Now, the above calculation assumes that every single cent you put with HLA is used to buy the funds and there are no charges. truth is there are charges.

even assume that all the money you paid in, goes to the investment fund, because it's an insurance product, it deducts monthly charges to pay for the cost of insurance. also for the first 6 years of the premium payment, which means not all the premium you paid goes into investment. part of the premium you paid goes to commission. so... factoring all these expenses, the actual return will be lower than the one i calculated above.

the numbers shown are actual numbers, not even based on past performance. assuming current performance.

the example i showed at number 4 is to illustrate what it means when it says price is guaranteed, doesn't mean capital guaranteed. two very very different scenario that brings very very different results.
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post Apr 7 2016, 03:22 PM

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Hi, anybody know how much commission will the agent get when close evergreen deal ?

e.g Yearly 10k deal

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QUOTE(primacom @ Apr 7 2016, 03:22 PM)
Hi, anybody know how much commission will the agent get when close evergreen deal ?

e.g Yearly 10k deal
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You can ask the agent. smile.gif

Or you can estimate, look at their small print in the first year only 45% of the premium you paid goes to your investment account, the remaining 65% will goes mostly to the sales force.
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QUOTE(primacom @ Apr 7 2016, 03:22 PM)
Hi, anybody know how much commission will the agent get when close evergreen deal ?

e.g Yearly 10k deal
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depends on the tenure, I think their plan all revert back to ILP already. 20% of 10k = 2k
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post May 30 2016, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 12 2016, 12:34 AM)
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i think this fund u cant just pay 6 years n put there until maturity,
it is intended for u to keep top-up the unit when price low to owned more unit until maturity

anyway. can you share how u calculate the compounded interest return? thx


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QUOTE(deadravel @ May 30 2016, 12:07 AM)
i think this fund u cant just pay 6 years n put there until maturity,
it is intended for u to keep top-up the unit when price low to owned more unit until maturity

anyway. can you share how u calculate the compounded interest return? thx
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I already explained, using excel. One can use financial.calculator.

0.9183*(1+0.0404)^7.5=1.2358
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post Jun 22 2016, 10:21 PM

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Thank you very much for all the responses to this post. Someone just approached me regarding this HLA plan which invest in CIMB Evergreen fund. After reading all the posts (especially adele123) it refreshes me of those info I knew last time but never looked up for a long time since. This helps me to make an informed decision smile.gif
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post Jun 22 2016, 10:44 PM

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I want to mention that there is one special feature about the fund.

During the investment tenure, if the fund has very good performance before maturity but then fell off to/below the guaranteed value, there is a "gain lock-in" feature such that it will pay the highest value achieved prior to maturity when the policy is surrendered at the maturity.

Another point that the agent mentioned was if the fund performance continue to be poor after one started the investment, the investor should invest more (up to 6x the initial annual investment) to capture the low price, especially after year 6th since 100% of premium paid will go to investment (minus some insurance coverage charges). This is provided the investor has the capacity to put in more money.
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post Jul 15 2016, 02:05 AM

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Dear all, is it good to invest in this plan? There's one agent approached me and introduced me with this plan too.

I read some negative reviews on this plan, should I not to go for this plan? ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(X-SenZ @ Jul 15 2016, 02:05 AM)
Dear all, is it good to invest in this plan? There's one agent approached me and introduced me with this plan too.

I read some negative reviews on this plan, should I not to go for this plan? ohmy.gif
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while you wait for responses, may i suggest you read through past postings done...not much...just 5 pages...(abt few minutes). maybe the answer you seek can be found there
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QUOTE(X-SenZ @ Jul 15 2016, 02:05 AM)
Dear all, is it good to invest in this plan? There's one agent approached me and introduced me with this plan too.

I read some negative reviews on this plan, should I not to go for this plan? ohmy.gif
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Invest? No.. this is an investment-linked insurance plan. Not a pure investment plan. Start from the most basic first. And... alreeady so many post for you to read, please start asking constructive questions.
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Dear All,
I have been approached by my senior for this Insurance Plan.
After i have done some calculation. I came out with the conclusion that this Investment Fund is not what i have been told "guarantee" 100% return.

Please find attachment on the Fund Calculation if you invest for 10 years
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This calculation is using very happy scenario where there is a raise of 10sen annually.
If the fund perform poorly and keeping at the price at MYR1.5, you will be losing RM 241 if you sold.

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Please find attachment on the Fund Performance until to-date (2016)
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HL_EverGreen Fund

From the look of the graph, personally do not have confidence for this fund.
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I have done calculation for FD (Assume that 3.5 pa.)
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So in conclusion, if you looking for long term investment, i would suggest FD/ REIT

PS: That is just rough calculation based on my personal assumption. You may add in your own thought.


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QUOTE(usps369 @ Sep 5 2016, 08:34 AM)
15 years is too long for most of us here, I think
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The point is the plan is to force you to save now for your retirement in the future instead of giving high return investment.
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After researching this thread, I guess better for me to stick back to FD...

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QUOTE(activexxx @ Oct 15 2016, 10:42 PM)
I was approached by HLA agent and he intro me 3 different plans:
1. Pure savings plan
2. Hybrid savings (guarantee 12% annual return + interest rate return for Evergreen fund investment)
3. Full investment plan (as mentioned above, invest on Evergreen fund).

After researching this thread, I guess better for me to stick back to FD...
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Guarantee 12%?

Please sign me up and the rest of the Malaysian and HLA will be the top company in Malaysia for the next 40 years to come to perform better than EPF.

EPF and other glc should also invest all their stocks into HLA. Why need fund managers or stock brokers?

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