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post Aug 15 2013, 06:20 AM

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Hey guys and girls out there,

I just saw this thread quite interesting.

I personally have zero property under my hand and currently cash king with stock and investment such as public mutual. If I were to buy a property now at RM400k then I would be living in a situation Liability more than asset.

Asset =Liability + Equity

Can I assume those who own 3 property still owing to the bank and pay installment every month consider as having more liability than asset? If the property cann't get rental then it will be a loss as well. Plus monthly maintainence running every month.

Currently I think the rental market would be weak due to competitive for rental and many prefer to buy/own their property instead of renting. Why would I pay rental every month instead of installment to the bank every month? I might well focusing minimise loan owing to the bank.

Employees nowdays would like to run out from the rat race to own & run a business to achieve financial freedom, personal goal, better living standard and etc etc.

There will be a situation seller want fast exit for many factor/reason. Example Cash Flow for running business, family member sick need money, work in singapore no time to handle property, working position with high responsibility flying around representing company and etc etc.

QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Aug 15 2013, 12:48 AM)

Doctors u know fresh grad makes 5k? Maybe they are doctors. And if they are married, 10k household income and both early 20s. My doctor fren got married, i think 24 yrs old. Then as government servant, apply for gov loan that is low interest rate.

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Government still need to maintain alot of government servant. tongue.gif

If public sector gaji naik, then government sector will more likely affect. Imagine teachers and army salary.

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post Aug 15 2013, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 15 2013, 12:46 PM)
Simple calculation? Property is a different kind of investment ma. let's say if you have 3 condo.. You only stay in 1.. 2 you are renting out.. Someone is actually paying the installments for you and in x number of year when you sell the property.. Whatever gain after deducting everything from the bank, that's actually a net profit remember to deduct lawyer fee's and downpayment when you first purchase okay..

Back to the question.. though you have 3 owing the bank but on a monthly most probably you are paying for 1 1/2 payment or even less for my case. Calculation? Installment rm1000 + rm1100 + rm1800 + 165 + 165 + 180. Rental collected RM1500 + rm1400.
Total installment you are paying = RM4410 to the bank and management office
Total collection = RM2900

Actual amount paid monthly? RM4410 - RM2900 = RM1510. I would not factor in cukai pintu, indah water or whatsoever la.. you buy stock equity there is also charges la right? just factor them in as etc costs.
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You are the best person who answer my question. biggrin.gif ........I know so if cann't get rental income or cann't get tenant to rent the property then it will be a RISK making losses or fork out own pocket money already. Actually I got a rough idea from my friend who bought casa subang. Just that bank loan + interest will keep on rolling and previous interest add on to generate interest following month.

So now hoping appreciation of property will deduct the balance sum owing to the bank is your profit. Seem like I got the whole picture.


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post Aug 15 2013, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 15 2013, 10:40 PM)
yup pretty much you are there.. just like buying stock there is risk of losing as well.. it's just that the risk are 2 different kind of ball game.. on a 2nd thought.. even if the property does not appreciate and you sell after the 5th year with the same amount you bought.. let's say rm250k bought and sold at rm250k.. you will still be making let's say around rm40k? That's due to the person who is financing the property for you at the sametime.. However most likely it would not be @ 250k anymore by the 5th year.
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I will study and do critical thinking on this matter. biggrin.gif

Still I see more disadvantage than advantage measurement on investing in property but anyway this is other people business and they do what they like with their money.

Stock depends how you see and mastering it to handle risk.

Good luck to everybody.
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post Aug 15 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 15 2013, 08:59 AM)
oh i see.

i read seremban 2 wotre" Government still need to maintain alot of government servant"

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Government can just using pick any tools to generate revenue or taxes from rakyat example GST 7%. Government still win the support from government servant which is majority and able to deliver promises handout to make it nice.
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post Aug 16 2013, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(taufu @ Aug 16 2013, 12:36 AM)
Am a newbie in prop but isn't first few years installment very large portion paid to mortgage loan interest?
When selling minus various fees like agent comm, lawyer fees etc, the profit not that much isn't it?
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Yup, first few years installment very large portion paid to mortgage loan interest. if BLR 6.6 - 2.3 equal to 4.3 interest rate for RM400K loan and bank principle (RM400k) plus interest earn interest. Like rolling a snow ball from top of the hill.

I think when you sell if property less than 5 yrs then RPGT will squeeze the profit, legal cost, agent commission, maintainance fees owing and etc etc. Not an easy game investment to play for newbie because entry cost is much heavier than selling. Finding a tenant to rent will be another hard thing to commit & do in the long run.

If you cann't pay 3 month installment then the bank straight lelong the property and you get nothing after a few installment. Best is to have prepare 6 months installment cash in bank to avoid.

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post Aug 16 2013, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(SpeechLess11 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:05 AM)
im new here so apa itu 'For nonĀ  "UUU" and "DDD" campers only...' ?
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What is "UUU" and "DDD" campers only? blush.gif

Sorry AmayaBumibuyer, sound like you angry? Anyway, Good Morning.

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post Aug 17 2013, 05:19 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Aug 16 2013, 08:55 AM)
Can this become my benchmark for personal loan? Does housing loan and personal loan the same? So far I know personal loan interest rate is higher than housing interest rate.



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post Aug 17 2013, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:52 AM)
Perhaps the so called banker can help you out by explaining the difference in interest computation/ payments between housing and personal loans ... Since he like to talk so much... Lol

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I got it already....Thank You......It really tempt me buying a unit as well. smile.gif Anyhow, hope new buyer does their homework before making final decision.
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post Aug 17 2013, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Aug 17 2013, 01:39 PM)
Good for you if want to buy. Some people will discourage u to buy becoz according to them, malaysia economy is goin down.
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No la bro, I am at the better position than anybody else. Common sense will tell that I atleast need a house to stay and conservative person like me & prefer play safe also need a house. Of course there is alot of property selling far too high and don't make sense as well. Example property far too high a Seremban 2 house selling at RM690k DSL subsale.Or another example my friend house selling DSL RM500k Subsales. Would you buy? Somehow there is water fish around unlucky listen to him and buy it. Therefore there is a winner and loser in the market.

Becareful 1st time house buyer and work hard save hard.
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post Aug 18 2013, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Aug 18 2013, 10:22 PM)
So far I'm buying props like buying UT. I buy UT regardless of the pricing every mth thru standing instruction. So far not bad I would say. I oso make sure every yr I buy prop. Oso regardless of the peice as I dunno whether it ll drop tomolo. But so far rental enuf to cover all installments. And im not sure if prop ll down.
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Don't worry, property price will appreciation either slow or fast for that particulary property you buy and you are save rental cover. I have seen people buy property left it abandoned for 20 yrs without rental through out the years. Because I have been passing by the same shop lot for 20 years and still it appreciate at a gain after 20 years. Still got ppl buy over after 20 yrs believing it is cheap and that area got potential to grow in long run.
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post Aug 19 2013, 03:17 AM

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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2906955

If this property price is less or equal RM470k then it is a good investment due to all the good factor.
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post Aug 19 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Aug 19 2013, 11:24 AM)
haha , i also own a unit here, in fact i am fan of PV projects , bought all their phases including shops. so far good gain and rental.
in fact PV10 rated one of the best managed condo in setapak.
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Yeah!!! I think agent selling at RM499,000-00 after discount. cheers.gif

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post Aug 21 2013, 10:25 AM

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Morning all!!!

Better buy property which is safer than stock. Badly burn. haiz...

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QUOTE(cockee @ Aug 20 2013, 10:43 AM)

Yesterday's blood bath dragged down the overall value of the portfolio. But it was also an opportunity to grab some bluechips at discounted prices.
Just wait till this afternoon session.  brows.gif

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Yeah!!! Alot of of Pong Sui share in the afternoon for you to grab. sad.gif

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