I just wonder should I opt for aution units instead. The price is much cheaper...

I was not in the queue, but as mentioned in the thread, many people including myself would just trust YTL. Just that... is like buying branded goods.

Right or wrong, it is just YTL. And as mentioned and coincidentally, I saw their presentation before about the future Sentul and was quite impressed.

YTL properties are way beyond my affordability so just passed on...

Well doesnt matter, if you want to use history as part of our analysis to say which is better, stocks are more riskier than properties. History says so.

Then if you want to say that properties are different nowadays where it is an investment tool or whatnot and want to use US as a guide or comparison then US drop its interest rates to 0.25%.

And i believe that everybody who bought fennel are mostly 90% for own use and not for investment, i mean everybody here will agree even the upside camp, that fennel is too expensive to give any return.

u not sure yet whether ada org mau beli or not. for RM1.1m you will have many other options man... would rather invest 3 double storey in NILAI than to have a single condo in Sentul leh.

It depends on timing.

Let's recall:-
In Year 2008, Padini @ RM0.28 per share (share split+Bonus issues)
Five years later (1/8/2013) Padini @ RM 1.77

Return= 1.77-0.29/5 years = 100% p.a.
ICap biz a close ended company bought Padini 22,700,000 shares (include shares split + Bonus issues) @ 0.28 in Year 2008 and hold until Year 2012 (not sure whether sell in Year 2013)
Who is the rich?
The rich is the one:-
1). Ability to select right stocks/properties/investment
2). Correct timing
3). Availability of capital
4). Luck

For normal persons who like to become rich, the first to do is to accumulate his capital.

bro those invested in gold.... by now already lau sai...

good sharing.
let's take a look at property as an example.
the zest.
launch circa 2008/2009.
launch price approx RM200psf.
say 1100sf apt at RM240k.
DP = RM24k
fast forward to now circa RM460psf. So approx RM506k.
take gross profit = approx rm266k / RM24k (vested capital)
1108% over 5 years
= 222% p.a.

not sure whether the above calculation is right or not.

Yes, that is what i meant by somebody who invest in stocks and properties, i heard that they gain on both portfolios, or like you where gain on property only but no gain on stocks. I never heard of somebody who invests in both portfolio where he gain from stocks but dont gain anything from property. Never heard of such thing happen to anybody.

Then if the doomsday prophecy from the down camp comes true, u are screwed either in stocks or properties i guess, but stocks will hurt much more.

More like chiak sai... 

Bro, thanks for sharing.... 🔮🔮🔮

Going forward with BNM concern on debt and property market cooling on BNM measures:

With the recent Fitch rating on bolehland and weakening MYR, what is the impact on the share market, given that our share market is at alltime high? Can buy counter with foreign export to USD??

What is the best investment strategy for the short term and 3-5 years?

Anybody??

You should understand that people are buying cars to evade tax in business, but you can't do that in property. In business tax, car is a depreciating asset and accounts for business cost spread across 3-5 years. Property is a fixed asset in your balance sheet which does not depreciate, so , not deductible for taxes. In other words, if this year your business makes a lot of money, let's say 1 mil profit, you tax should be around 250K. instead, you might decide to buy a 500K car, spread the cost across 5 years, (100K each year), and you save 25% off the car you purchased. That's a lot of money and perceived value. People will think you own a 500K car but in fact, it just cost 375K and it is out of company expenses. You can't do that with property and the worse part is LHDN might come after you after some time if you property appreciates and you have to record that in account as paper gain which is taxable profit.

It is important to look at things in its context.

Property in Malaysia boomed in the past few years. No doubt.
Anyone who purchased anything back in 2008-early 2010 made quick and abnormal profits. We acknowledge.
But economy is dynamic. Strategies that worked 2 years ago might, or not, work now or next year.
When someone are pointing out signs of bubble and its probability of bursting, they are merely interpreting the available data. If you dont understand the info, data and graph, just go learn instead of argue. Even if you understand, doesnt mean u have to agree.
More importantly, not all those pointed to signs of bubble are those who can't afford a home or missed the boat.

From personal experience, I made good money in the past few years from property. But I know economy dynamics will change, thus I balanced my investment portfolio by selling some properties early this year. Yea, that put me in DDD camp.

The way I see it, there is a time for wealth protection, and there is a time for wealth accumulation. My view is 2009-2012 was a period for wealth accumulation from property. From 2013-2018, the game is about wealth protection.
It's like u've won RM30k at the roullete table in the first 15 games. So you're thinking.. "Shud I go on, since I'm on a roll here?"
Some will say "Yes" if they want to accumulate more wealth. Some will say "No" to protect their wealth.

For now, I think there is more compelling reasons to be cautious than to continue. Maybe i can make this choice because my path to more wealth is not limited to properties.

Just my 5cents.

Btw EddyLB...... Would u like to change your earlier comment on him?? 

the secret of multi tasking...

Yes FD can compare to property, but not necesarily better and in my opinion, property investment is better than FD.

i've sold my low cost apartments and concentrate only the higher rental prop. found troublesome to collect rental less than 1k..
but still hold more than 20 prop. so far all tenants bank in their rents into my bank account every month.
most of my prop is at good location (matured areas) so tenancy are not a big problem to me.
i think will sell some resi in future and eventually focus only commercial eg shops , factory (found easier to manage) + some landed
sometime feel a bit sayang to sell those prop which give good stable rental esp those landed prop. (cant get back the same if sold)
many of my prop hv already settled bank loan. (thks to the tenants who help me to pay installment for many years esp when i start invest in prop)

i am not worried if prop price drop tomo as my entry price is low.
in fact i still continue to buy new prop (eg shops) as i still hv many older prop as buffer

i still strongly believe prop price will continue to up in long run and our money will further depreciate due to inflation/ new lifestyle/never ending desires etc
prop (esp freehold landed, shops ) is one of the best tool to preserve as well as increase wealth..
maybe 30 years later we need mil rm (like rupiah) to buy a plate of chicken rice..

Oh I see, can buy for own stay! But u said here u buy, there u thinking to buy! Kajang u but, sentul u buy, PJ u also wanna buy! All for own stay??? U stay in kajang on Monday, stay in sentul on Tuesday, Wednesday in pj???

kepada boss boss and taukeh taukeh sekalian.. should i cancel my fixed deposit.. take all the money out and buy US dollar? i very takut now.. keeps falling our currency.. damn it.. i change thai bath last month.. rm1k can only get me 9.4k++ bath.. sakit nyer.... use to be 10.2k bath last time.

   
Really remind me childhood time, kids use to say, "I don't friend u already"..... Didn't expect a self claimed retired elderly adult keep saying, "I ignore u already", "I finished u".........
Poor man...... Must hav missed lots of childhood fun..... Now then picking up those fun.........