It would be great if you guys could provide some angel investors contacts/websites here thank you
list of angel investors in Malaysia
list of angel investors in Malaysia
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Jul 11 2013, 12:25 PM, updated 13y ago
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Hi I tried to find the list of angel investors in Malaysia but couldn't find. I tried googling but still got nothing.
It would be great if you guys could provide some angel investors contacts/websites here thank you |
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Jul 11 2013, 02:42 PM
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what is angel investor means? mind to elaborate more?
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Jul 11 2013, 04:18 PM
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Jul 11 2013, 06:15 PM
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Jul 11 2013, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(john19368 @ Jul 11 2013, 12:25 PM) Hi I tried to find the list of angel investors in Malaysia but couldn't find. I tried googling but still got nothing. First of all, angel investors doesn’t come in a list, even in US, there’s no such list, it’s your own effort to find one, off the internet and talk your way to an agreement, but it’s rare anyone will just provide you the capital, without management authority.It would be great if you guys could provide some angel investors contacts/websites here thank you Second, I am interested to invest in any ventures, but I am no Angel Investor, more to VC.You could talk to me if you are interested. |
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Jul 12 2013, 06:44 PM
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ya most of the time angel investors dont make themselves known, so I am thinking if there is an official list? (the licensed or prominent ones)
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Jul 12 2013, 07:07 PM
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You just want the list or are you looking for angel investors? For Malaysia, check up Cradle Fund as I know they are doing a roadshow now with a group of angel investors. Some of the good angel investors are actually based in Singapore, like Crystal Horse who invested in propwall, ibilik and another tuition site.
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Jul 13 2013, 06:22 PM
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Are you willing to let go 49% of your company stake?
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Jul 13 2013, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jul 13 2013, 06:22 PM) Its not about letting go 49% of the stake, but rather exchanging the 49% for proper guidance and support from those who have failed multiple times before succeeding. Raising funds is very important since startups usually don't breakeven in 1-2 years. And time to market is crucial, especially when the barriers to entry are so low that copycats are everywhere. |
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Jul 14 2013, 06:45 PM
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anybody able to give more ideas?
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Jul 17 2013, 11:46 PM
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Jul 18 2013, 09:37 AM
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Jul 18 2013, 09:38 AM
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That's a good observation, one which I noticed many whom are seeking investments in Malaysia do not understand (ie. leveraging on other's wisdom and connections)
QUOTE(YH90 @ Jul 13 2013, 07:20 PM) Its not about letting go 49% of the stake, but rather exchanging the 49% for proper guidance and support from those who have failed multiple times before succeeding. Raising funds is very important since startups usually don't breakeven in 1-2 years. And time to market is crucial, especially when the barriers to entry are so low that copycats are everywhere. |
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Jul 18 2013, 09:45 AM
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Jul 18 2013, 09:51 AM
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Jul 18 2013, 09:56 AM
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It varies (typically) based on the amount of help (not just money) given to the startup.
Typical percentages ranges from 3 - 20% Valuation is done differently by different investors. Some adopt market size as a primary gauge, others adopt extrapolation of billable invoices within 12 months, and so on and so forth. There is no fixed formula. QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 09:45 AM) |
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Jul 18 2013, 09:58 AM
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Reference to this post, which entrepreneur in his/her right mind would reject a FIXED RATE, FIXED TERM bank loan in favour of an EQUITY investor?
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 09:51 AM) |
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Jul 18 2013, 10:01 AM
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Jul 18 2013, 10:08 AM
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That wasn't my impression with the post, I bold-ed the words you written in the other post which clearly indicates that he REJECTS the use of bank loans.
In any case, if this is truly a good product, why isn't the inventor willing to take up personal lines of credit and/or mortgage his home and/or dip into his own savings? This is one clear sign to investors that this person has no sincerity or conviction in his own product. Personally I would never invest in such a person. QUOTE Yes............he has very good knowledge of the industry. He has a blue print of his biz plan. As I have mentioned, its a present Rm4bil potential in Msia alone. Indo is bigger! He does not want bank loans. He prefers venture capital injections as partners. He has already identified some potentials partners. But he needs some ideas on Valuations. QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 10:01 AM) This post has been edited by Nicholas Chan: Jul 18 2013, 10:08 AM |
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Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Nicholas Chan @ Jul 18 2013, 10:08 AM) That wasn't my impression with the post, I bold-ed the words you written in the other post which clearly indicates that he REJECTS the use of bank loans. Think you are jumping to many conclusions too fast. In any case, if this is truly a good product, why isn't the inventor willing to take up personal lines of credit and/or mortgage his home and/or dip into his own savings? This is one clear sign to investors that this person has no sincerity or conviction in his own product. Personally I would never invest in such a person. They have already spent substantially on their R & D on their invention last two yaers without any income. So financially pretty dried up. So angel investments for marketing costs is required. |
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Jul 18 2013, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(Nicholas Chan @ Jul 18 2013, 01:37 AM) I didn't see any of my fellow investors take 49% of a company via an investment unless it is a corporate turnaround and/or an acquisition deal. From where did you get such a figure from? erm, Dragon's Den?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...1-3m-sales.html Just an example I am too, running a business, whereby my 2 friends are my angel investors. Each of them contribute rm50k for 20% stakes each, making me lost 40% in total, they initially commanded more, but I manage to get the deal. This post has been edited by ah_suknat: Jul 19 2013, 09:48 AM |
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Jul 19 2013, 11:11 AM
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You use a dramatized show as a gauge for professional information?
Your statement actually proves that in saying you gave an individual 20% stake per angel to be correct accordingly to my previous message; as reference in my reply yesterday angels typically take anywhere from 3 - 20% individually. So to say that you gave 2 separate angel investors 40%, or as another example 3 separate angels 60%, and conflate it to the claim that a typical angel take 49% is rather disingenuous. QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jul 18 2013, 08:14 PM) erm, Dragon's Den? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...1-3m-sales.html Just an example I am too, running a business, whereby my 2 friends are my angel investors. Each of them contribute rm50k for 20% stakes each, making me lost 40% in total, they initially commanded more, but I manage to get the deal. |
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Jul 19 2013, 11:14 AM
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If making conclusions based on the exact words you say are "jumping to conclusions", I don't know what quantifiable facts can any investor then use factually as a gauge in your case.
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Jul 19 2013, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(Nicholas Chan @ Jul 19 2013, 11:14 AM) If making conclusions based on the exact words you say are "jumping to conclusions", I don't know what quantifiable facts can any investor then use factually as a gauge in your case. If this is not jumping to conclusion, I don't know what is.QUOTE This is one clear sign to investors that this person has no sincerity or conviction in his own product. Personally I would never invest in such a person. An investor can quantify by looking at the technology and the industry coupled with the biz blueprint. You, however have jumped too fast to judgement even before you have seen anything. This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 19 2013, 11:26 AM |
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Jul 19 2013, 12:48 PM
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A company is led by its people, not its technology. Its success does not lie in paper plans nor in intellectual property.
You are free to your opinions on that statement. I am free to mine as a person that puts my money where my mouth is. QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 19 2013, 11:26 AM) |
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Jul 19 2013, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(Nicholas Chan @ Jul 19 2013, 12:48 PM) A company is led by its people, not its technology. Its success does not lie in paper plans nor in intellectual property. Are all companies led by scientists? You are free to your opinions on that statement. I am free to mine as a person that puts my money where my mouth is. Here we are discussin Angel/Cradle investments and a startup. It seems you have meandered into success already! If the company is already successful , we would NOT be discussing Angel/Cradle investors? Which Angel investor would invest in a startup without product? I AM free to my opinion. My opinion is that you have jumping to stumping judgemental conclusions without even knowing. We are behind keyboards....who gives a Flying Geez whither you put your money? This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 19 2013, 01:13 PM |
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Jul 19 2013, 02:26 PM
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Jul 19 2013, 02:49 PM
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Jul 19 2013, 02:50 PM
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angel investor is sleeping partner?
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Jul 19 2013, 03:07 PM
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Jul 19 2013, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(Nicholas Chan @ Jul 19 2013, 03:11 AM) You use a dramatized show as a gauge for professional information? Dramatised or not, the cash given is real, and professionals do seek them for investments. And are your investors are as rich and successful as the dragons? Your statement actually proves that in saying you gave an individual 20% stake per angel to be correct accordingly to my previous message; as reference in my reply yesterday angels typically take anywhere from 3 - 20% individually. So to say that you gave 2 separate angel investors 40%, or as another example 3 separate angels 60%, and conflate it to the claim that a typical angel take 49% is rather disingenuous. And no.you.didn't mentioned the word individually. well even typically an individual investor "only" acquire 20% stakes, doesnt moot my comments for saying he could lost 49% of his own company stakes, who said he is going to find just one investor anyway? |
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Jul 20 2013, 12:02 AM
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And since when I said A typical investor will usually take 49% INDIVIDUALY??
Looks like you are not only good at putting your own money in where your mouth is, but other people words into your own mouth too. |
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