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 [WTA]Fiesta vs 208 vs Inspira vs Prius C, <RM90k car for Single late 20s male

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post Jul 7 2013, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(dtna7 @ Jul 7 2013, 09:06 AM)
TS, i chose Prius C for you due to the following reasons. (As i have first hand experience with my Prius)

**Pros**
-Reliable Engine (Taken for Prius mk1 1.5L, tuned & upgraded for current Prius C)
-No 1 fuel saver car, easily reach 22-25km/L (~4L/100km)
-7 Airbags
-CBU Japan
-Good CVT transmission (Much better than my mom's CRZ, sorry CRZ fans/owners. They don't jerk and they are very reliable, just look up e-CVT design @Google.
-Great discount now, who knows if the tax exemption will ever be renewed for next year?
-Saves alot of $$$, BN is struggling to keep RON95 @RM1.90
-Regenerative braking, you rarely need to change your brake pads, how cool is that? tongue.gif
-Travel locally more with your family without worrying about petrol price! tongue.gif

**Cons**
-Not very likeable interior, apparently your $$$ goes under the hood more
-Subjective rear exterior design (I don't like it too)
-Not trying to be biased here, but nothing comes up anymore

Prius HSD is about efficiency, though performance aren't really lacking with all that torque from the electric motor, but it isn't exactly cutting everyone else too.

Your $$$, your choice smile.gif
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This gonna help TS a lot.
Very good sharing compare to some just base on brochure or personal thinking and talking the fact.
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post Jul 9 2013, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 8 2013, 11:56 PM)
But the Proton is a much bigger car, different segment, and it probably also will handle quite good, right?

I don't think it is so easy to decide which one to go for.
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For some ppl. The badge is the barrier.

Dares, I am not saying u. Muahahaha
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 02:24 PM)
Late reply, just got back from site-job. This is to reply your Inspira vs Forte thread. There are things that could not be described here and would require you to try on the track to find out. Inspira and Lancer both using Multi-link but both are different quality and material. They are not the same, 1 from MMC and 1 from P1 Lotus.

Example, there are 2 metal bars from 2 different manufacturers, sizes could be similar but weight, solidity, etc different still. Understand?

When Perdana introduced, the Galant is allowed to be sold but it didn't get to sell anymore since Perdana introduced. People just don't think about Galant that is using the same platform as Perdana. They buy Perdana if can't afford Accord, Camry, Telstar or 626. This was before MMC being forced to cease operation in 1995 due to too poor sales in cars segment. Lancer is still alive today because it has what your Inspira doesn't have. This is fact, your Inspira is nothing close to Lancer other than physically the same. Whatever detune you say, in US, there is no such thing on the emission thingy. Seems like P1 protection forced our local MMC Lancer to be fitted with GL tuning so that they don't get to challenge Inspira sales.
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No wonder it is raining.....
Hahahahahahaha both arms are arms but they are different material?

Same design but weight different. Yes yes just like twins also got a bit difference? That's what u mean?

Next sentence u mentioned, 1 from MMC 1 from P1 lotus?
Now I am really interested. Can you somehow-anyhow with a kind-hearted share some "underground" source?
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 04:12 PM)
nzh0920,
You took modified Inspira laptime vs NA Lancer? Look at your list, 1.6 Forte beats 2.0 Forte. What else, those are nothing more than unsorted category list. Is that the best lap time in the first place?

People talking about NA unmodified car vs category. You go and include turbocharged or tuned up variant together. Take NA category list before you come here and talk crap.

Koreans, they have moved further with dual VVT. You still stuck with single VVT?

K3nnYkl82,
Just the arm? How bout the rest then? People look into overall. FYI, the old Saga '06 I had, can still find hidden MMC logo on part of the car body.

What is the big deal? Inspira is not Lancer, enough brag and get back to real life.
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Wah now is like how?
Loser "fatt LAN Zha"?

LOL!!!! U damn power la really. Next time u can go another forum introduce yourself.

I am not only famous in AW, but also lowyat fnf!!! Hahahahahaa
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 04:32 PM)
Nice comparison. Wonder why Lancer can still sell if your Inspira is that close to Lancer technically. Just because of build workmanship, people willing to pay >RM20k extra to get Lancer 2.0EX/GT rather than lower grade Inspira 2.0 at RM93k? Like you for example, you can spend less than RM10k to get Lancer bumpers, badges, steering wheels, etc already.

Tell this to Lancer owners whether they agree with you. Verdict about Inspira, nothing more than a lower quality Lancer wannabe. You can only be called LANCAR but not Lancer. This is the only reason why Lancer still survive today rather than wrap up like what happened back then. Like Myvi owners trying to think themselves as driving Toyota. Inspira owners are like dreaming of driving Japanese C-segment.
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U said u know a lot bout cars.....
But u have no idea what is rebadged?

U can live happily ever after la. Tell u what also no use.
Same thing less weight also u can tell d. Respect.

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post Jul 13 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jul 13 2013, 04:42 PM)
Sorry, I do not read the whole thread.

Many parts of Inspira are shared with Lancer, even though different in part number.
Most of the parts, Proton simply mark up the price and end up much more expensive than Mitsubishi parts.

From what I know, the headlamp of Inspira are different than Lancer, hence the price different.

Price not same doesn't mean they are not the same.
For suspension parts, afaik only absorbers are made locally (also why it so affordable). Everything else is the same as Lancer, also much more expensive than Lancer (marked up price).
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U got the points, but not our "journalist"

Same as lancer is true, design only.
He said weight different ok!

Have a good weekend hahahaha
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post Jul 14 2013, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 14 2013, 05:37 PM)
Wow, already 4 replies so far. I am glad that at least allenultra stayed professional and neutral, good job.

The rest replied with much hatred that they go personal. Why can't reply properly and fill in the blanks with hatred? You sellman or have business related to P1?

I managed to check this info from the same person who told the differences between Inspira & Lancer GT 2 years ago. Here's his reply:

When MMC & P1 signed the deal, it stated clearly, any technical parts that will lead to breakdown, engine blown, failed handling like Sylphy/Almera, or any issue that could damage MMC reputation.

The Inspira is based on the Lancer GL that can't sell well that was phased out earlier. In the assembly plant, the engine, gearbox, the suspension, electronic components/modules/sensors, interior dashboard, door panels brought in imported. The machine here does the stamping with the metal sheets imported. The rest of the parts that won't cause breakdown are done locally. Some are sub to local companies to produce the parts. Due to improper storage (space vacuum), the interior of Inspira not as fragrant as brand new Conti/Japanese/Korean cars inside. Smells like China made cars.

The P1 tuned suspension is only myth to show that they do produce something and the rear suspension is exact match of Lancer GL and not from Lancer GT.

Kerb weight:
Lancer 2.0GT 1385kg
Lancer 2.0GL 1320kg (reduced ingredient variant for 3rd nation)
Lancer 2.0GL 1335kg
Inspira 2.0 Premium 1335kg

Difference between Lancer GL & GT lies in the large METAL BAR that connects to both rear wheels arms. Relook into your replies earlier, don't know why you keep showing me the arm. Show the arm for what when people talking about the whole Multilink rear suspension? Have to use the word Metal Bar or Metal Beam or else you would refer elsewhere. Who knows, you might show me the tie rod in front in reply. That 50kg difference came from this metal bar alone. Understand? Mind you the bodykit, side skirt, & spoiler aren't heavy that even small kid could easily carry it with 1 hand. People use adhesive 2 sided tape specially for PU & fibreglass material for skirting nowadays. No more cement.

So stop saying your Inspira is Lancer GT. It's based on Lancer GL and that is why MMC willing to let P1 rebadge but under strict restriction and monitoring. This explains why Lancer GT sales still survive today. Many who can't afford new would buy used Lancer GT rather than buy that Inspira. Hassle free guaranteed thumbup.gif
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Lol and lol!!!!!

First time see ppl already go into the wrong way, still can continue making story.

Mr J, are you really sure with whT you are talking about?
A journalist should able to admit the mistake and re-correct it. Wait, are you one?

U steady la!
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post Jul 14 2013, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 14 2013, 05:44 PM)
Forte is meant for family use with handling for safety in evading dangerous road hazard and in time of emergency. The same goes to Lancer GL. The heavier and stiffer Lancer GT is meant for sports driving feel where you can take it to Sepang racetrack for little racing.
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Forte got 2 version.... Which one better?
1.6 or the 2.0?


Btw u mitsu salesman izzit?

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QUOTE(crabby86 @ Jul 14 2013, 06:49 PM)
I actually read all the post. Clearly he knows nothing but still wanted to talk without providing any sources to back up his argument. Lol...retard.
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He did provide source in his argument!! But not related... Like old wira saga perdana....

Throwback is the trend now.
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post Jul 14 2013, 07:13 PM

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I am sorry to TS. We go off topic that much.

TS had u go for test drive for the cars above?

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post Jul 14 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(@udio_jr @ Jul 14 2013, 11:00 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

Knew that the price for original parts will be pricey, but i'm just more concern on the parts availability. The lancer has been on the road for quite a while and it's not a new model to begin with. Not sure whether will the spare parts be easily available if a replacement model comes out.

Thanks.
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U may visit lyn Inspira car club....

Kenny not sales man. Haha. Just he knows the car well.
Don't be surprise he got all the price list.
Japanese car, ppl never worry about the parts. Remember?

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post Jul 15 2013, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(animegod @ Jul 15 2013, 01:40 PM)
Me 2.. TS dont trust them.. they are just a bunch of trollers and bashers.. cry.gif
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U n Ngjx face problem...
But don't assume everyone like u both la.....
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post Jul 15 2013, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 15 2013, 10:58 PM)
You are the dumb here. You wanted facts, I checked with professional and gave the answer from him. Yet you go mad and personal. Can't face the fact still? What else do you need? That is the part that we are debating here and you out of nowhere go and talk about the arm. Aiseh!

Talking to people like you have to use downgraded to basic English. Else, you would misinterpret and think aftermarket something else. Do you know what is swaybar?

You can go lift the BMW 5-series, Mazda 3/6, Lancer GT rear suspension METAL BAR (try not to use jargon with dumb KIASU like you) then you come and tell me how heavy. You think that Metal BAR so light? The so called lighter Torsion Beam one is not that light neither.

Then can you explain where the 50kg come from? The rims and wheels ain't that much big difference from 16" wheels neither. The spoiler? FYI, FF cars that wanted to improve handling, they would distribute more weight to the rear by adding more metal to the back. OK?
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OK!!!

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 15 2013, 11:32 PM)
Yes, sway bar is anti-roll bar. Even the cheap aftermarket thingy bought from kaki motor or brothers is also called anti-roll bar that is real light and fit to Wira suspension. Avoid using the word anti-roll bar or sway bar seems it led to confusion to many. Just call the bone like bar in the rear METAL BAR for the time being. How many of you really remove the entire rear suspension set and try to lift with hands for real?

By the way, despite so many disagreement, how come none ever mention where did the 50kg extra weight in Lancer GT come from? Inspira & Lancer GL are actually at the same weight at 1335kg while Lancer GT at 1385kg. Back then people said its the bodykit which is incorrect. Then they relook to the chassis, they don't find anything different between GT & GL. Exhaust pipe, resonator, catalytic convertor and manifold also not that heavy.  Where else?
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Wah Lau!!!! The driver la!!!!!
The driver like a Dino size!!!!!!

The "metal bar" u mention from earth ah? So high density.

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Jul 15 2013, 11:49 PM)
my professional friend told me can.

this is fact, my professional friend told me
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Yes I agree.

I got a professional friend told me so!
Must be true d!
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post Jul 16 2013, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 16 2013, 09:26 AM)
After experiencing 2 cars with automatic clutches....I don't mind going back to torque converter  sweat.gif

But ultimately I will still wanna get back to driving a manual if I can afford a second car now. wub.gif
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Bro u need a 1.8mt test drive?
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 16 2013, 09:56 AM)
Jerky at low speeds, but like a manual GB can feel the pull more directly unlike torque converter AT.

Fiesta's dual-clutch is so-so only, no manual mode  vmad.gif Not as responsive as VW's DSG either but OK la, RM85k for a dual-clutch tranny, I can live with that.
Your car ar? I no money buy CDM busuk car now sad.gif
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We got mr william! Per ride rm5.
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 16 2013, 10:09 AM)
Wait, test drive or test ride?

jnick say test drive wor....no wonder eberiwan say jgn belip jnick  whistling.gif
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This is 1+1 offer.
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post Jul 16 2013, 03:20 PM

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With all the mr J comments, can create a fan page d.

All comments are classic.

Smell is the brand new level in fnf!
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post Jul 19 2013, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 19 2013, 12:15 AM)
Thailand is selling the original Lancer GT. Only thing is the spec on their current website is wrong at 10kg less on the kerb weight. The catalog taken from MMC Thailand is correct.

MMC here, the Lancer GT probably being forced to detune to Lancer GL output/torque. The suspension, might still be there. Since more and more of my buddies quit automotive field, already not on track with MMC after 2011. Not sure whether MMC still using the same thing or new suspension replacing the old one. Lancer alone has more than 5 specs worldwide. Australia probably has the GLS specs, 1 rank above GL.
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Niamey.... Ppl read website u laugh at ppl.

Then the pelan chiao catalog correct all the way.

U dim. Very dim.

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