Originally Posted by W8isGR8
Here's what I've found to be the average "Hardgainer" routine, through observation, as well as personal experience.

Breakfast- none(why get up and cook when you can sleep in another 15 minutes. Staying up until 1 a.m playing Xbox really takes it's toll)

Lunch-burger/fries/soda(keep in mind, it's now been @18 hours since last meal, which was dinner the night before)

Pre-WO-nothing
Workout-decline bench press(cause you can lift more), preacher curls. Repeat 7x a week
PWO-nothing

snack- half a bag of doritos, 2 more sodas

Dinner- whatever Mom cooks(this is the only thing still keeping you alive. Otherwise you'd have scurvy and be hospitalized for malnutrition)

Pre-bed-nothing(you're too busy playing Xbox, or trying to decide which supplements are finally gonna get you "hyooge". As soon as you can afford them.)

* Although a lot of people don't like to admit it, this is what most of them normally do. I've been a prey of this routine before many, many years ago. Everybody wants to build muscle but nobody wants to get up to eat properly and lift some heavy ass wieght.

Don't worry about it. Actually, try NEVER to skip breakfast. Some of you guys have no idea how important that meal is to get you started.

I can see you're making an effort, but it's not enough. It's not even 1/5th of what i eat. I'm telling you bro, bodybuilding is 70% diet and 30% the rest.

Well.... I eat every 3 hours. I don't eliminate carbs from my diet. I have lots of carbs actually but i do nutrient timing where i consume the majority of my carbs in the early half of the day and PWO, and protein and healthy fat at night.

---------------------> And no, I don't take Herbalife.

Well, i met pizzaboy in person. We have trained together a few times and he's asked me a lot about diet and all that. He's been pretty receptive and he seems to have potential. 'Nuff said. And no, i didn't tell him to take Herbalife.

I dunno. I ain't a violent person. I like making love, not war.

Just remember this bro. Whenever you take more protein, compensate by increasing your water intake. Don't listen to all the bullcrap about high protein diets giving you kidney stones and all that. It was because of insufficient water. I know some US natural pro bb competitors who take 400 ++ grams of protein a day and they're fine. Heck, i take about 350 grams of protein per day, even more sometimes.
High carb is relative. You've gotta measure that yourself. It depends on your caloric requirements where other factors such as muscle mass, bodyweight all play a role in determining your carb intake.

And i understand it's hard to get the extra meal in when you're working but lemme tell ya, it's pretty easy. Liquid meals man. The blender is your best friend. Put in oats, milk, etc. What's the problem right?

Good luck.

This post has been edited by darklight79: May 15 2006, 12:55 PM

Yeah. Exactly! There's a difference between training for hypertrophy and training for strength, hence the huge differences in the training philosophies of powerlifters and bodybuilders.

Check your pm. Wow dude. How and where in the world did you manage to get those pics?? Saw that url at your sig!

Oh shit sorry. I didn't notice. I cleared them. Well, those are some pretty darn good pics you took in your photoblog/journal. I'm impressed.
Unfortunately, i think you're based in KL and I'm currently at Malacca, so it'll be a bit inconvenient.

Yeah. I can see that. His pics are fokkin amazing! Yo Lurker! How long ya been having this hobby eh?

LOL... a lot? 5-7 times a day. 5 times a day for rest days, 7 times for workout days.

Well bro, it sucks being a med student. I don't get much access to good foods. If i eat somethign typical like nasi goreng at night, i try adding extra meat.
Other times it's lots of meat, oats, mik, milk, milk, some whey in the morning and post workout, lots of healthy fats like flax seed and cod liver oil.
If I'm in KL, that's another matter.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Sep 9 2006, 06:09 PM

Where's your pre bedtime shake?

Not whey. Something long lasting and slow absorbing like casein, cottage cheese or milk.

It's all relative. It's important that you try to eat immediately upon waking up.

Both can be interrelated but powerlifters like doing singles and triples. You get stronger, you get bigger and vice versa but you can't expect to grow if you utilize only singles into your workouts.

Actually it's more a matter of individual muscle fiber composition. Take for example HIT which did nothing for me all those years but did wonders for many people. I grew more on Westside style programs and HST style training. It's how the person's body which responds to the training.