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Kahlid74
post Dec 4 2013, 11:27 AM

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Very cool finding this thread.

Lex, you give a spec list of the capacitors to get however I didn't see a brand you recommend. Could you steer me in the direction of a brand that you think is a good quality?

Also, what type of Ceramic resistors should I get for the orange ones and the diode?

What about the Mosfets? They look kind of funky on the bottom, are they fine and just need a cleanup job or do I need to replace them as well?

Thanks for your time!

UPDATE: and I'm a dolt as I see you listed what type of capacitors you got. Where did you buy them from? I want to make sure if I buy them I get the right ones.

This post has been edited by Kahlid74: Dec 4 2013, 11:39 AM
Kahlid74
post Dec 4 2013, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 4 2013, 12:38 AM)
For capacitors, look for brands like Nichicon, Panasonic (also known as Matsushita), Rubycon, Nippon Chemi-Con (also known as United Chemi-Con, formerly Marcon), and Sanyo (nowadays known as Suncon).  icon_idea.gif

So far had not had to replace any resistors, except for that 0 Ohm link. As for resistors, depends on the original resistor being replaced and should follow the wattage of the original resistor (in other words, the size of the resistor determines the wattage). The diode is pretty much run-of-the-mill 1N4004, which is a very common diode. wink.gif

That one very much depends on whether you're going to replace them, and/or depends on the fault/problem itself. The "funky" look is mostly leftover excess flux and not degraded glue. If any of those MOSFETs had blown/failed then you will need to replace them. hmm.gif

Try online stores such as RS Components, Farnell/Newark/element14, Mouser and Digikey. They are guranteed to sell original capacitors (and not those Pasar Road counterfeits). icon_rolleyes.gif
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Awesome LEX, thanks so much!

What about this guy, would I need to replace it?
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Kahlid74
post Dec 5 2013, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 5 2013, 07:02 AM)
Just change all those 85C capacitors to ones rated for higher temperatures, such as 105C ones (as shown in my guide here). Preferable to use those with high ripple current handling and/or low ESR type, as this speaker uses switching mode power supply... icon_rolleyes.gif
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What about the guy at C52, the ceramic resistor that is chipped away on top?
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post Dec 5 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 5 2013, 09:56 AM)
That's not a "ceramic resistor", but a ceramic disc capacitor. Just replace with another one, of the same capacitance. Usually should be 100nF or 0.1uF, 50V or higher. wink.gif
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Per your first post I have tracked down all of the capacitors except 2x 47uF 25V, what brand did you use for this? Here is my shopping list: Does it look right?

• - 4x 470uF 200V 105C, high ripple handling type (for inverter and/or ballast operation)
○ This one had two sizes. I chose the fatter/shorter ones. Correct choice?
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panaso...%2fxKQ%252bI%3d
• - 2x 330uF 100V 105C, low impedance and/or low ESR type (for SMPS operation)
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=100ZLJ330M12.5X35&vendor=1189
• - 5x 220uF 35V 105C, low impedance and/or low ESR type (for SMPS operation)
○ I choose cut tape for these, is that right?
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=UHE1V221MPD&vendor=493
• - 5x 100uF 35V 105C, low impedance and/or low ESR type (for SMPS operation)
○ I choose cut tape for these, is that right?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/UPS1V101MPD1TD/493-11570-1-ND/4319749
• - 1x 68uF 450V 105C, high ripple handling type (for inverter and/or ballast operation)
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=UCS2W680MHD&vendor=493
• - 2x 47uF 25V 105C, low impedance and/or low ESR type (for SMPS operation)
○ ??
• - 1x 0.1uF 50V 105C, high temperature type prefered (such as ceramic) as its very close to the heatsink
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=AR205F104K4R&vendor=478


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post Dec 5 2013, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(k3lvinNdad @ Dec 5 2013, 10:22 AM)
digikey shipping exp if i am not mistaken
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exp?
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post Dec 5 2013, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 5 2013, 10:39 AM)
This one is incorrect as its rather wider than the original. The diameter should be 22mm otherwise the capacitors will not fit together. Should be this 22mm diameter version (if using Mouser): Mouser > Passive Components > Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Snap In > Panasonic EET-ED2D471BA... wink.gif

Incorrect one again, as the lead pitch is 3.5mm. Should get the version with 5mm lead pitch. Digikey > Capacitors > Aluminum Capacitors > UHE1V221MPD6... icon_idea.gif

Look for Nichicon HE series, like this one: Digikey > Capacitors > Aluminum Capacitors > UHE1E470MDD. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Awesome, thanks man! I'll look to place orders today. For the ceramic disc capacitor would this guy work? - http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/6...EDSA-ND/1545918

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post Dec 6 2013, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 6 2013, 02:28 AM)
If you are talking about the cracked ceramic disc capcitor replacement then it would work. Like I've mentioned earlier just any 100nF or 0.1uF ceramic capacitor of 50V or higher rating can be used (even those cheaper but awful Y5V ceramics), since this capacitor is non-critical (functions as low impedance side for those original general purpose 85C capacitors). However, for the capacitor that is very close to the heatsink (which is actually part of the switched mode power supply feedback section) then stick to the capacitor I've specified (for stability reasons use either X8R, X7R or NP0/C0G ceramics). icon_rolleyes.gif
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So I could just buy a couple of the ceramic capacitor your specified and use that for both right?

Also, Digikey is out of two of the capacitors:

So for the 5x 100uF 35V 105C, low impedence and/or low ESR type (for SMPS)
This:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...K4y6Z7OvlMKU%3d
or this:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...BwN1o%2f8xKs%3d

For the 1x 68uF 450V 105C, high ripple handling type (inverter/balast)
Would these work?
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...ko7RlAfp%2fg%3d
or
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...CPZDTM13hVQI%3d


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post Dec 7 2013, 03:58 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 6 2013, 11:50 AM)
Sounds much like the power supply section blew, possibly some weak, failed and/or faulty components. Usually should be fixable/repairable... hmm.gif

Yups, can use the same capacitor (that more expensive X8R high temperature ceramic) for both. nod.gif

Either ones should be fine, just different packaging from the details on the website. Another option would be Nichicon PW series (slightly higher specifications than Nichicon PS series). wink.gif

Their specifications are much lower than the Nichicon CS series. Here are some similar capacitors (with way better specifications than the ones you've chosen): Mouser > Passive Components > Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded > Panasonic EEU-ED2W680 (used in the 2nd repair) and Mouser > Passive Components > Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded > Panasonic EEU-EE2W680 (used in the 3rd repair which was not shown here). Both of them are also high ripple current handling plus long life... icon_rolleyes.gif
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All capacitors purchased, UPS ground, should get them middle of next week. Kind of excited to replace them and see where it then lies. Thank you so much for all your help on this.

So all the parts have now come in and I've begun cleaning glue areas. Two specific areas proved very difficult and unfortunately, the green came up with them. The glue was so hard/crusted that it took the green with it when it came off. Is the board still workable?

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Kahlid74
post Dec 13 2013, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 12 2013, 03:47 PM)
That's typical as the chemical from the degraded glue has "eaten" into the solder resist layer (that green thingy). Usually its still workable, as long as you did not break any fine traces. Make sure those traces are still connected to each other, and check for possible shorts with surrounding copper areas (e.g. bits of copper layers pulled up and mangled). There are large areas of copper that is mostly either (hot) GND or +350VDC (or +154VDC for U.S version). Removing degraded glue from that resistor (encased in heat shrink tubing) should have been a piece of cake (and I did not have to remove that resistor) but not sure how you've gotten that "ugly" (lots of scrape marks can be seen). What tool did you use? hmm.gif
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I just used a small flat head screw driver and an Exacto knife. The exacto knife is probably what did it. I tried to be super careful but that glue, when it gets super hard like that, it won't budge.
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post Dec 13 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Dec 13 2013, 03:27 AM)
Must have patience, padawan. As mentioned some time ago (here: Post #11), degraded glue removal can be very tedious and have to proceed slowly (and carefully/meticulously) to avoid damaging/breaking PCB traces. When using a sharp knife, try avoid directly touching the PCB (otherwise there will be deep scrape and scratch marks, and possibly damaging/breaking fine PCB traces)... hmm.gif
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Indeed. I thought I was being gently but perhaps not gentle enough.

So check this out. In the mean time, with these being kind of rare now, I purchased a "Working" Gigaworks sound system off Ebay. Upon arrival it has the exact same issue as my system which is crazy! The seller is insistent it was working when he sent it, which even if it wasn't he can throw UPS under the bus as he wants me to file a claim with them, which I did. The problem is I will not give up the boards to UPS to investigate. So we'll see where this goes.

Sooo crazy. Same exact issue, no power, no red light period. How bizarre.

 

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