Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Model Kits/Toys Painting, Building, Modding Thread, v4

views
     
GameFr3ak
post May 30 2017, 11:45 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ May 16 2017, 08:58 PM)
hi, if you haven't stocked up your paint i really suggest Mr. Hobby Lacquer instead of acrylic, because with Lacquer the paint is more durable & you can easily panel wash the lines with enamel, can't do it if you use acrylic paint. well you can, but involves extra step or mist coating + wet coating lacquer gloss. also Lacquer is the strongest paint that is common so you won't worry paint eaten up by top coats.

for compressor i suggest a decent one, with air dehumidifier + filter, if you buy rm160 ones, i don't think they can last very long.

air brush i suggest get Sparmax 0.3mm, it's same as Tamiya, because you get the one free with compressor, use few times break. coz i used before. air brush can get from hobbysearch.

anyway you should put a budget rm500 for Compressor + Airbrush + tools & Paints. if you don't use Canned top coats will save you lots of money. tools you can get from Mr.DIY, paint can get from JSHobby or the toyshop next to IT Toys BJT. Primer you can get from Ace Hardware 1 can grey primer rm16. weathering powder & airbrush can get from Hobbysearch much cheaper.
*
Hey man, was searching around for some info and saw your post. What do you use to replace canned top coats? They're very expensive IMO.

Also for primer,

1) I figured I should get lacquer based primer right? Since lacquer is the strongest type of paint layer.
2) And the primer from ACE do you have a name or something?
3) Do you always prime grey? I think I've seen some videos stating that different colored primes give different results.
GameFr3ak
post May 30 2017, 03:31 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ May 30 2017, 01:41 PM)
Top coat buy the Mr.Hobby Bottle ones called Clear or Flat Clear, then mix with thinner.

There is also a Flat Base gel type where you mix with Clear + thinner. must mix with Clear. recommend Flat Base (1): Clear (5): Thinner (3) but you have to trial error since Clear will become thick after opened.

Because right now Flat Clear is difficult to get.

For Gloss you can use Pledge Future Floor Care + Brush. Big flat area would be difficult. curvy/small area good effect. But is acrylic so cannot withstand other chemical compounds (polisher/Wax/alcohol).

For Ace Primer called "NOW". around rm16. Ace calls it primer. No idea it's acrylic or lacquer based.

I only Prime Grey for colorful paint. Light colors like White & Yellow would need thicker coat to cover the Grey. Same as Black, you try not to use White Primer if you plan to paint it Black. Since there is no White primer in Ace, i just buy the Now Flat White Paint and use as primer. For shiny metallic look you want to apply Gloss Black before applying the Metallic paint.
*
What what you said I think acrylic is just terrible as the base coat since it's so vulnerable to so many different compounds?

Also, thank you very much even though I hate avocado...
GameFr3ak
post May 31 2017, 10:20 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ May 30 2017, 09:12 PM)
I don't care. i just want a cheap solution for primer. i just need the paint to stick.

even if i use acrylic primer and lacquer paint, as long as i mist coat a layer 1st before spraying thicker coats it should not eat the primers because the mist coat already formed a protection layer.

for paint layer i usually use airbrush so i can control the paint more than spray cans.

i have had cracks using spray can for 2nd layer, 1st layer was the exact same paint from the same can, dried, applied 2nd layer, cracks. quite common for cheap canned paints. so usually i only use cans on primer & 1st layer (usually white coz lazy use airbrush 2 times). since i only putty seam lines after 1st coat (coz some areas hard to reach once you assemble), i use spray cans on 1st layer, after putty & sanding partially assembled i will use airbrush for 2nd layer onwards, since White are white i don't worry about color issues since airbrush layer will cover most of the 1st layer. I never had paint cracking using airbrush yet.

i'm guessing for spray paint, you can't control the solvent, you can't control the pressure, so it increases chance of paint eating/cracking.

that is why i only use spray cans on primer & 1st coat.

even top coat i stopped using cans because the effect is not good esp Flat coat will have alot of misting issue & uneven surface. worst thing is running out of top coat when you are nearly done.
*
Thanks for the info man. Yeah, I guess I should just get an airbrush set.....
GameFr3ak
post May 31 2017, 12:18 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ May 31 2017, 10:28 AM)
for primers mixing is more critical compared to paints.

reason i choose canned primer & 1st coat is save the time for cleaning the airbrush. it's a choir to clean them, every session i only plan to airbrush 1 color at a time. so for small parts i try to use canned paint instead because time taken to clean the airbrush is way longer than actual spraying.

if you have multiple airbrush which many pros do, then you can use airbrush 100% in 1 long seating, then clean the airbrush altogether during house keeping. but airbrush ain't cheap like normal brush.

if you plan on airbrushing few colors with 1 AB in 1 seating, suggest you start from light color to dark ones, because no matter how hard you clean it there's bound to have minor residue from previous paint.
*
So basically,

1. Primer - can be cheap as long as paint sticks
2. 1st coat - mist coat (basically very thin layer of paint?) which acts like a protection layer? If this is the case, this layer cannot be acrylic right?
3. Paint - If this is lacquer/enamel, it'll eat through the "1st coat - if acrylic" right?

I think I can understand why AB multiple colors in 1 seating can be bad. But I think I'll mostly AB 1 color > clean > setup another color > clean > vice versa ?
GameFr3ak
post Jun 5 2017, 08:47 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 13 2017, 12:19 AM)
ACE hardware should have it.

It's either called Pledge Future Floor Finish/Floor Care/Floor Shine/Floor Wax but they have the same bottle shape & cap.

or just ask the Ace employees there.

user posted image
*
So I found pledge and it's 60 bucks. Is it actually cheaper than Mr hobby? Lol
GameFr3ak
post Jun 7 2017, 01:00 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 6 2017, 10:39 AM)
yes if you looking for gloss finish.

but this is much more wattery than gloss paint, so not recommended for large flat surfaces because hard to achieve even finish. for large flat surface best is use a fiber cloth and dip a bit but not too much and gentle & quickly wipe it across the surface so it looks smooth. but this way the gloss won't be as high as normal wet brush but at least you won't get build ups.

Problem with Floor care is you can't really polish it afterwards. if any mistake, you have to redo and you can't polish/wax because it's acrylic and on the mild side. it's also not as durable as lacquer.

Also not sure if they changed the formula, but last time some people say it can turn yellowish, so if you have white or light color paint it might change the color after few years.

Anyway i've used this to restore some diecast toys that has loss it's gloss. Just becareful with the joints.
*
QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 6 2017, 10:43 AM)
also forgot, Pledge not suitable with water slide decals because it's wet.

so if you want to apply on water slide decals, you should spray a clear coat 1st.

the thing about Pledge, is it's so thin, that any uneven surface on the paint layer is hard to hide using Pledge. Also you paint needs to be "wet finish" so it's smooth, if you Airbrush like normal where you can see the "dot" texture on the surface, the Gloss finish will not be mirror like, because the Pledge will sip into the "holes", so you get semi-gloss finish only.

you can try sanding the paint until smooth before applying pledge, but i haven't tried before.
*
Sounds like it's a lot more troublesome than other alternatives......... doh.gif Thanks for the in depth information man, really appreciated.

GameFr3ak
post Jun 7 2017, 01:27 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 7 2017, 01:02 PM)
trouble? no. This is for lazy people who just want to brush & leave as it is.

only not suitable direct on water decal & flat & wide surface.
*
If i were to apply the gloss with airbrush? Would it be a lot easier?
GameFr3ak
post Jun 14 2017, 12:08 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


Hi sifus, currently waiting for my airbrush.. so gonna buy some solvents and paints..For thinning agent, have anyone used cheaper alternative rather than for example Mr Thinner?

Like if I wanna thin Mr Color Lacquer metallic copper C10, can i use ace Klean Strip lacquer thinner to thin it ?
GameFr3ak
post Jun 25 2017, 03:04 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 22 2017, 10:39 AM)
1 bottle or Mr.Hobby levelling thinner can last quite a while. u use cheap ones might be too strong and damage the paint. for lacquer thinner should be ok.
*
Thanks a lot man. Just got my airbrush. What would be your go to paint type for airbrush and why? (if you don't mind me asking.)
rclxms.gif

GameFr3ak
post Jun 25 2017, 10:52 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 25 2017, 08:03 PM)
i use Mr.Color Aqueous becoz last time i bought all the acrylic paint.

since you are buying new and have people giving advise i would say Mr.Color Lacquer, Tamiya Lacquer or Gaia Lacquer since you already know why. but people say if you plan to use some brush to paint lacquer paint dries up faster than acrylic so you gotta be quick.

JS Hobby has most choices for online shop.

and Tamiya Enamel panel line wash. if you are comfortable with panel wash then you have to get Mr.Hobby Gundam marker Super Fine but they can't be wiped off easily so any excess needs to be scrapped off with hobby knife, so you need thicker base paint to allow some scraping.

if you plan to do shading, then you have more room for error & touch up since it can be hidden with shadings.

if you plan to do clean style, like Brand New look, Glossy, Clean finishing, then margin of error is smaller and you need to use polisher after finishing the top coat.

for shading you can use Tamiya Weathering Powder (Easier, but less color choice), or airbrush (custom color, but lots of masking & good paint control to look natural and probably need a fine tip airbrush & some experience). Another alternative to airbrush but more choice, is ground color pencil into powder and apply it like Tamiya Weathering powder, but takes time to ground them into fine powder.

There's normal shading & reverse shading. Normal is apply shading paint after paint, reverse is applying shading paint 1st then normal paint. Normal paint meaning the "Brighter" area usually the flat surface, shading usually corner & sides.
*
I'm a huge fan of this finish (shaded + some candy coats).
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I've kinda already leaning towards lacquer already and will probably start with Mr Color paints. Maybe some ALCLAD II chrome (I think they're the shiniest on a gloos black?).

As for weathering, I planned on doing some light weathering (I don't like the dirty-look weathering style, maybe just some subtle weathering). I've bought some cheap pastels to experiment on but I think I'll need to have more experience in painting first.

I just went and tried using vallejo model color flat white + some water, thinking I'm gonna try practicing on some runner.. that shit clogged up my airbrush within 5 mins lol. I then went panic started stripping off the airbrush but managed to clean it all up.

I wonder, what would you use to thin vallejo? Or vallejo model color just ain't suitable for airbrushing since they have the "air" line of paints?

** EDIT: Did some reading, people commented about adding Flow-Aid and a retarder to prevent clogging? ** If it's too much hassle, I'll just stop using vallejo and start with lacquer.

This post has been edited by GameFr3ak: Jun 25 2017, 10:55 PM
GameFr3ak
post Jun 26 2017, 06:51 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 26 2017, 12:53 AM)
duh i never understood how water can dilute even acrylic paint. i never thin acrylic with water, only use Mr.Hobby Thinner or Levelling Thinner if you want it to dry slower but more expensive.

also never mix different types of paint, they will form muddy mixture.

remember for Airbrush you cannot have too thick paint especially if your brush has small tip. just pour a mixture in, try whether the paint flows out, if not, add more thinner & stir. usually i start off the airbrush with cleaning thinner you get in hardware shop, this will clear up any clogs as cleaning airbrush is not 100% clean, when it dries, there will have minor clogs.

i don't know what brush you use but i always remove the needle after use, too many times the needle stuck after dry. thinners will dry up and stick. just becareful when removing/installing. use a cut out vitagen straw as the needle tip cover so you won't poke urself or damage the tip when storing. IMO unless you have a bucket & lots of thinner/cleaning agent to wash it'd be difficult.

what i do is after spray:
1.Retrieve any leftover paints.
2.fill the paint compartment with thinner the fling the brush upsidedown to pour the thinner out (make sure you have newspaper on floor and don't splash on urself).
3.Wipe the compartment clean with tissue, make sure AB is upsidedown so any tissue fibers won't fall into the bottom area and you can swipe downwards with finger so they fall out of the AB.
4.Pour thinner again and keep repeating until you get little paint at bottom, then pour thinner and use a clean brush to brush the bottom (i use flat type brush).
5.now pour more thinner and full blast the airbrush and empty it and wipe the compartment clean.
6.Now you can remove the needle, dip a tissue with thinner and wipe the needle downwards to the tip and store the needle.
7.Without the needle, reassemble the AB and pour thinner in, keep blasting the thinner until you are satisfied it's clean, then dip the tip into small bottle of thinner to clean the tip, clean the cover, body and also wipe everything clean.
8.You can remove the tip nozzle covers and clean if you want. but if you do it too often there might start to have air leaks on the tip, and if you tighten too much when you put back you might damage the threads. When i mean tip cover i mean tip cover, not the nozzle, don't disassemble the nozzle, you can break it easily if you turn the wrong way or close too tight. I broke mine while troubleshooting, had to buy a replacement. only remove it when you think the nozzle needs replacement.

you won't get 100% clean AB but you will get around 85% clean.
*
Wow the nozzle. I actually took it out already doh.gif You reminded me that I can easily clean the paint compartment with a brush dipped with thinner. doh.gif Thank you very much for these airbrush tips man. rclxms.gif I've actually went through most of those steps yesterday. But I reassembled everything back, including the needle. I'm gonna check it again today to see if it's stuck.

Yeah I guess it's dumb to really dilute acrylic for airbrush, especially when it's not formulated for airbrush.

I've stumbled across MODO lacquers. Do you have any experience with it? Tried to look for more information but looks unknown to mat salleh.......
GameFr3ak
post Jun 26 2017, 02:57 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 26 2017, 09:29 AM)
i use Acrylic on AB, i said dilute with water is dumb, you can dilute with acrylic thinners.

the nozzle, do you mean the one you need the special wrench to open up, or just the nozzle cap which you turn with finger to remove? the nozzle itself is very small piece.
*
Yeah that small piece..... but after reassembling everything, I tested it and it's fine..luckily
GameFr3ak
post Jun 26 2017, 06:36 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 26 2017, 04:31 PM)
only remove the nozzle when you felt the nozzle is clogged.

the risk of fiddling with the nozzle is if you:
1.Turn the wrong way when removing.
2.Over Tighten the nozzle when installing.

The thread area on the nozzle is very fragile, both case above risk over tightening the nozzle as such break the thread from the nozzle and the thread gets stuck in the airbrush. that is why the instruction mention turn the right direction & never over tighten.

if your thread broke and stuck in the AB, get a satay stick and stick the sharp end into the hole till you can feel the grip, then turn the stick you should be able to remove the broken thread, then scrap off any residue.

had to buy a new nozzle & also spare needle from Hobbysearch.

also remove the needle 1st before you remove the nozzle cover to avoid poking urself & damaging the needle.

if you are unsure, watch youtube instructions, don't simply tikam. btw what AB u bought?
*
Yeah I'm not gonna be disassembling anything unless it's really needed. At most only remove the needle like you said. It's a cheap taobao mini airbrush set. Just gonna give it a try to see how far my interest goes before I invest more.

BTW, any idea about Modo brand? Rarely any review around. Their lacquer thinner is cheaper nearly by half! They also have quite a lot of lacquer paints + cheaper too..
GameFr3ak
post Jul 3 2017, 11:13 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jun 9 2017, 06:56 PM)
BTW any recommendations on Commissions for robot models? I'm thinking of sending 1 of my kit for commission.

want to see how others can paint & build the model.

i have 3 similar kits i think i don't have the ability to build all 3.
*
I went to a hobby shop, there was a dude there who are pretty knowledgeable about paints and stuff. sounded very passionate. He even entered GBWC multiple times. He takes commission works but I'm not sure if he still has anytime for more.

You can look him up at PAC Kelvin Ong. He's a manager at Plamo Art Center.
GameFr3ak
post Jul 11 2017, 10:49 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 11 2017, 03:56 PM)
Anyone else find White hard to use on both Brush & Airbrush?

They just don't get on well, i'm using Mr Hobby Flat White Acrylic. on Brush they just end up smudgy, can't get even surface even properly thinned, too thin and it can't even color slightly yellowed white.

On Airbrush, have difficulty getting flow on .3mm. It just doesn't come out much unless i thin it more, which result in too thin. had to set the pressure to 20psi as lower psi the flow hard to come out.

Anyway just a real bitch for whites. even when color comes out i can't get it thick coat enough to cover even very superficial scratches (from sand paper) without going too thick.

I have Gaia notes white though, haven't tested it.
*
White was my 2nd color that I hand painted. I was using vallejo flat white and boy... I think I did over 10 coats to the finish that I'm satisfied with. cry.gif
GameFr3ak
post Aug 28 2017, 12:19 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


I've been using my cheapo AB kit (from China) for almost a month now. Seems fine except some instances where I wish it could have higher output.

However, I think the biggest difference will be airbrush itself right? The one included in the set is totally trash.

I could be buying a better one with interchangeable head (0.3mm - 0.5mm)
GameFr3ak
post Apr 6 2018, 02:44 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(carpathia @ Apr 2 2018, 09:19 PM)
Good tutorial for those planning to start airbrush and for those already using, learn how to do pre & post shading!


*
They're showing good content but I only have 1 complaint. They're lacking a charismatic host/interviewer to carry the video. I literally saw them record this video at ATT lol. Good to see the legendary modellers there.

BTW, I'm going to work on a gloss/candy finish paint project on my next kit. And I need a gloss top coat to seal everything. I also don't wanna use Mr Hobby top coat (too expensive and lacks control). Can someone recommend a gloss top coat? Is pledge future floor care still the go to choice around here?
GameFr3ak
post Apr 9 2018, 09:42 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Apr 6 2018, 08:25 PM)
If it doesn't break, don't fix it. This is still a primary choice of topcoat.
*
I see. So ab it straight out of the bottle right?
GameFr3ak
post Mar 27 2021, 12:35 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(wuwah @ Mar 20 2021, 04:23 PM)
Hi guys. I'm planning to start custom painting my Gundam. Is kkmoon airbrush ok for beginner? Saw them at shoppee quite cheap.

Our any recommended airbrush? Thanks
*
Airbrush or compressor? If you're a beginner, try getting a relatively cheap one.... learn what to do and what not to do to an airbrush. Once you got a hang of it and know how to take better care of an airbrush then can consider better brands.

I've used brandless airbrushes for quite a while and my results were very good until I needed to do something precise or high gloss....
GameFr3ak
post Mar 29 2021, 10:57 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,849 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Location


QUOTE(wuwah @ Mar 27 2021, 03:29 PM)
Sorry. Yeah, the compressor brand. It didn't able to adjust the pressure I think. It's around 18-22psi most of the cheap model.
*
You mean something like this ?

user posted image

if yes, then it's usable...just that when you wanna do something much complex like gloss/candy finish, you'll hit some limitations....the air pressure is inconsistent and it gets hot quite fast. But it's not too bad for beginners..

2 Pages  1 2 >Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0442sec    0.36    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 27th November 2025 - 07:42 PM