That Spiritbreaker is just too OP. I am good with the hero(i won 10 games out of 11 games with the hero) but i think dota will be a much bettergame without the hero. He is tanky and very mobile.He is like a non-counterable hero... I know u will argue about ghost scepter to counter him but man...too spend 1600 in the early/mid game just to counter him...its just an absolute waste...

way to counter spiritbreaker ;

1) group up as 4 while carry farming, ready teleport scroll to counter him if he charge your carry
2) pickup counter heroes (stun,silent)
3) rape him hard.



This post has been edited by azranashraf: Jun 30 2013, 12:30 PM

ape yg takde counter nye. die pub hero. - armor and stun rape him. team work a bit with ur team.

just get any disable and he is done for- -"
if u say op..naix also damn op what lol

but if hes start charging from the early game(lvl 3 / 4)?..i guess it will be super hard to stop him . and the cost of grouping is less level and experience earned...moreever spirit breaker can just farm to the max when he realize that enemies are grouping and standby to charge when they are not in group.

but hes not that mobile rite....i dont know how is it in the high tier , but in the low tier , the team with the spiritbreaker in it will usually get the wins..

haha, lower tier org kuat farm. that's why he easily get kills.

bara if a solo farmer punisher, if u like to farm solo in the map, u are dead.
its almost like ck wisp combo. people say damn op, but its counter able.

like i said before coordinate sikit. smoke behind, 1 people bait. bara charge u gank him. 3-4 times kena, die pun jd takut

yea no matter how also teamwork game :/

haha.. bara in public game is unstopable!. especially when all players are strangers lol!

apa kebodohan thread nih . actually there's many counter method when it come to dealing with this guy.

yes there's counter.. but when u play in public games.. usually teams that have bara. have 60% winning chances lor..

lol i like everyone is saying teamwork game and referring that with public matches

meepo shud be ban

too OP!

Liquid ran SB and it failed miserably. Clearly he's not THAT imba. He really shines during the early game though, best use that to snowball.

There's plenty of heroes that stomp at low levels, you're probably in scrub tier matchmaking.

its 70-80% in my case...i often see people picking natures prophet when bara has been picked...i was like wtffff!!! how are you going to free farm with that blue monster around.??

proper ward lah

put put in his charge path (where you farm, then put ward to any place that you think he might charge from. every time he charge you run back, sure he damn angry already)

if bara is op, people wont use term stupid cow for him

baiting also work very well for bara

The best thing you can do about bara is to bait him early game for a while so that he loses level and farm advantage while feeding you and it shouldn't be a problem for most heroes to fight an underlevelled bara

Obviously you have to play pretty safe if you're laning against him. Play NA to spike carapace him, reduces the risks of being a charge target too, and positioning yourself between him and his target would stun him midway if I'm not wrong.

LOL. There so many way to counter SB. Just use strategy sure win 1 on 1.

alo omniknight's repel settle or in case shadow blade also settle

the space cow really crap in teamfights only good against 1 v 1

bara teamfight situational, the new bash if correctly position, can bash every enemy opponent while he charging. 1.2 sec is enough to rape. ahah

situational teamfight, in one game I played him with a team that have pretty good teamwork as well as my team so the only thing I ended up doing most of the game is to initiate with a stun and just lockdown their carry with stuns and butter him down while my team kill the supports

keywords "if correctly"

still crap in teamfights

bara is only dangerous in pubs la

easy cake, he dont really deal much damage on per say by hittingchoose ursa maybe im sure he wont charge on u haha

sriously i love your avatar...haha

its really hard to counter SB if he farm enough. i think they should add a status when being charge as last time there is status. i mean in dota 1.

the charge wont cancel even the targeted hero dies...it will still charging for nearby hero...its good

Ghost scepter is your friend.. Most likely he will charge, pop scepter soon as you can, this will most likely give you time to run / allies time to TP support.
If they dont support he will most likely ulti you, if he does ulti soon as u pop scepter just take the stun and TP out.
If he holds ulti just kite away, if your support stun, if your a carry / ganker most likely you should also have farm so shud be able to survive long enough for any support to arrive or have an escape mechanism.
If your a tank then its really easy just get blade mail. Pop it if he carries on attacking you get a free kill, if he backs off just retreat to safety.

Sb should never have outfarmed you, he is not the best laner, worst case he will be top with 2 supports but he is not a late game carry so even if they gain some ground mid game you bot lane hard carry should easily be able to deal with SB late game.

more like when bara is on enemy team : "OMFGWTF imba shitz"

when bara is on your team : " OMFGWTF noob shitz, bara no item etc etc"


serious note, last time when bara charge on a target there will be negative buff icon on the target right ? so the user will know. since they removed that bara does seem a bit op, but still able to counter with some skill combos

until he get bkb that is

Just like this ?
http://dotabuff.com/matches/237568931

no like this

http://dotabuff.com/matches/238058438

on side notes. bkb counter bara. i completely forget about this but greater bash didnt work while u are in bkb. so if u are up againts bara, get ur bkb up asap, if not u will die to bash.

Seriously ? BKB > Greater Bash ?

really? as i remmeber..my last game 2 days back..bara still can stun in bkb woo..bug maybe?

bara?? soo easy to counter him..

His ult was buffed in 6.78, it goes through BKB now. Partially why you see him played more now.

can you guide me ? how to pro bara in 5minutes, i want know first/mid/late item build

really scumbag.

buy stout shield and a lot of tangoes...play mid...last hit as much as possible...then if u see enemies on top or btm going far ahead to ur tower just go back and take and unseen position to charge and flash during it so ur allies can gb him...

the core items are as displayed...thread / mom / bkb....u may consider urn during early game..

http://dotabuff.com/matches/238745572

check this out. got bara in enemy team, and our team got fcuk really2 hard early game, but once I got linken, story change

Make linken so bara cannot use charge on u. Settle bara charge.

With the early power he has, he loses his strength gradually over time if he dont get a good start. This is why, not a preferred carry/semi carry in professional games.

1 linken tapao him d.

Bara is not as effective in pro games as he is not a hard carry, and due to the far superior map awareness and warding its very easy for teams to know / see a charge and react to tp to tower nearby and turn a bara kill into a bara death, he doesnt fit into a wood/solomid/bot lane hero so only role he could fill is hard carry and he is not capable of killing mutliple heros in a team fight which would result in the other team just sticking if bara did manage to snowball and just winning team fights and most likely ultimately the game...

Spirit breaker is not that hard to counter . Like he once said , "Attack is the best defense" . It is true for him you know . If you observe his style closely , his advantage is when he lock on the target solo , as long he keep bashing the target and it will render the target useless and unable to move and when the target snap out from the bash stun he will finish it with a ultimate or ultimate and keep bash till the target dies . It is pain in the butt that if when you try to farm solo but got punished .

However , do not forget that if you manage to stop his charge with a stun , he will lost his first disable hence he already lost his first step . With evasion or slow his attack he will lost his combo even more . Soon or later you will realize he is just nothing to be afraid of and easy to be counter especially when he use his mask of madness .

The best counter so far i could think of spirit breaker counter is void and brewmaster .

Brewmaster is a tank and have evasion properties . Besides with his drunken haze , just feed spirit breaker with a dose of the beer goodness and you will see how bara combo starts to fall even brew dont have stun .

Void ? Easy , just before he reach to you , just chrono yourself in that area and the train ( spirit breaker ) will stop . Then go bash him till he die .

Well every hero got pro and cons , so does their rival hero . So I think so far spirit breaker dont have to be ban yet .

u say spiritbreaker until so imba, did you see people use it in tournament?

1 on 1 of coz cannot fight but when u play as a team and put on chemistry, most player will use bait to counter. few times he dead chasing hero, then he is useless already

u use it at normal GG room surely no problem as most of the player play it on standalone mind set
u try to go clan match and use, if you still able to win 10/11 then pls register yourself in the tournament, you got potential to become pro

usually in pub game against sb, i will get either blade mail, ghost scepter, linken , or tp...

bara is still gay

One of the best items to counter, if your fingers are like Dendi's can easy activate these items.

haha true, but most easiest would be focusing on the map most of the time, or don't walk alone.

Yea, especially when you are the carry of your team. Support must always stick with the carry just in case This is just my opinion

Hi TS

Stop overextending the lane and be aware of your surroundings
and stop being in the trench

stick with your teammate and have map awareness

haha.. an example

btw bara is not imba la..
if he dies 4-5 times early/mid game he is useless ady..

haha normally i'll run bara if there's invi in my team (nyx or clintz)
go scout, clear, cas, hit until die. rinse and repeat. lulz.

ward all his charge path, cheaper solution

Wards are the simplest solution.
If you picked tanker, get a Blademail.
If you picked squishy heroes, get a Ghost Scepter (using TP will dispel Ghost Form though).
You can also get a Linken Sphere, but it's expensive.
If you picked Juggernaut, Blade Fury and TP.
Shadow Demon can easily disrupt him, and also Outworld Devourer, blame your slow hand if he got you first.
Omniknight can repel. Lion and Shadow Shaman can hex him.
Then again, you can group with any stunner, preferably not Leshrac or Lina, those two stun requires quite a skill to hit.
Naix can use Rage, magic and stun immuned.
If you picked Rubick or Dark Seer, near the river, put him on top of the cliff, if you above the cliff, just Telekinesis him to the river, that will slow him down.
Just like others said, bait and smoke.

Avoid to let him have BKB, because some of techniques above are not possible until the BKB duration is over. Every hero more or less is counterable.

warding bro, warding.

Get wards on typical rune ward placements. that way when he charges top, mid, btm he'll most likely pass through the ward's field of vision.

Also, Bara is the kind of hero that will start sucking around the 25 minute mark if he doesn't get a good start.

lol it's all in your head... spirit breaker if u didnt notice is not a choice of heroes for team tournament.. no aoe dmg, all only single target hero all the way.. so i dont think its very good in team games...

anwyays ur playing with public, a good team with good communication amongst each other wont die to spirit breaker trust me... especially if 5v5 and my team is sitting next to each other..

abbadon can 2 vs 1 with spirit breaker after he hit...and his backup try gangbang me...
but if they gangbang in bigger group...u better have backup, else u die...

This post has been edited by MadhavanR: Aug 25 2013, 08:20 PM

its a useless hero, its not op, just a normal pub stomp hero

his stun is physical btw so don't do the blade fury tp thing

Simplest way to counter is to not pick squishy heroes. He can pretty much solo kill only squishy heroes, and rarely tanky heroes unless he has a few level advantage over them.

If as a mage it irritates you so much, get a ghost scepter.

invoker op also la

mani space cow picks nowadays in pub..its like every single game i play there will be bara..