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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?

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post Jul 4 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jul 4 2013, 10:38 AM)
Good. I plan to go Singapore end of the year, and then from there go Batam... or is it Bertam is different place? The one I meantion is nearby Singapore
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Yeah take ferry from Harbour bay to Batam Island, about 1.5 hours trip.

Batam is known as Singapore's playground... icon_idea.gif weekend very crowded with guys telling their wife they go play 'golf' brows.gif

Just like Malaysia go Hatyai for 'shopping' whistling.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 4 2013, 10:45 AM)
I also interested to open a bank a/c there if the interest is that good.
Any suggested bank?  hmm.gif
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But donno hor whether the bank will let you open account as a 'tourist'... hmm.gif And if you are liable for 'income tax'.

But you could try.. depend on bank i think...

I open my FD account 7.25% for 1 year @ Bank BTPN, which is LPS protected
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post Jul 4 2013, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jul 4 2013, 10:47 AM)
Maybe can see if got Maybank there or not. Then open in Maybank and link from the Maybank account here.
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Got maybank BII.. but the interest rate is only about 4%-5% tongue.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jul 4 2013, 10:54 AM)
We are talking about FD right? Cannot be so different between the banks ma.
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Here big banks and small banks can difference by 100% ... bigger bank is deemed more secure hence able to low their FD rate. Smaller banks need more money hence give high rate and other promotion to attract deposits.

Current OPR is 6.25%

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post Jul 4 2013, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 4 2013, 10:57 AM)
Why need go so far? We also have "Little Hatyai" right in the middle of Klang Valley nowadays brows.gif
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Got meh? Where? notworthy.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jul 4 2013, 10:58 AM)
Maybank consider big banks?   shocking.gif
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Ten biggest banks in Indonesia (Total > 50 banks)

Maybank BII is no 8

No Nama Bank Total Aset (Rp triliun)
1 Bank Mandiri 375,23
2 Bank Rakyat Indonesia 318,44
3 Bank Central Asia 283,18
4 Bank Negara Indonesia 226,91
5 Bank CIMB Niaga 106,88
6 Bank Danamon Indonesia 96,80
7 Pan Indonesia Bank 76,27
8 Bank International Indonesia58,73
9 Bank Tabungan Negara 58,48
10 Bank Permata 56,21

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post Jul 4 2013, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 4 2013, 11:12 AM)
Then you must be a good and experienced golfer?  brows.gif 

Hitting hole in one...  laugh.gif
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No lar... don't know how to play golf.. hear stories only. laugh.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Jul 4 2013, 03:37 PM)
tongue.gif whats the further for our CI in recent few weeks?

down or up......really dun know
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This CI... ZZzzZZzzZZzz .. so very boring.. better faster kaboom lar! vmad.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 4 2013, 03:43 PM)
felixmask, sudah cheers.gif Carlsberg? biggrin.gif
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How many lots you buy.... tongue.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 4 2013, 03:54 PM)
I sedang beratur on 14.80 tongue.gif
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I tot someone says 15.00 cheers.gif already? tongue.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Jul 4 2013, 03:58 PM)
tongue.gif if 12.00 I pick 30 lot
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Ceh.. everyone also can say... if RM 10 i pick 150 lots. flex.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 05:08 PM)
Hard to resist China/HK stocks getting cheaper and cheaper as compare with Bursa's stubborn sidelines.  brows.gif
Today shot my first batch of Tongda, catching another falling knife.  sweat.gif
Giordano and Stelux falling knife turns out pretty ok so far.  sweat.gif
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Psst... china malls offering free rent to retailers due to over supply and lowering medium class consumption...

Not scared ah? tongue.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 05:12 PM

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Ho hum... diam diam.. all stocks green today. rclxms.gif

But all + 1-2 sen only one... sentiments still scared. laugh.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 4 2013, 05:22 PM)
Carlsberg: no growth, unattractive yields.

Chart:

The above chart is saying a lot about Carlsberg.
Can you listen to what it is saying?
Can someone explain how is possible that 14.50 be considered as a support?

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Woo TA master... out to find blood liao. laugh.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 4 2013, 05:24 PM)
tongue.gif

Ada tipsy mah?  tongue.gif
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Noting to buy leh.. i search up down left right still nothing. sad.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 06:05 PM)
Not scare. The basic principle is, competition is healthy to keep the winners and dismiss the losers. After this consolidation period, winners become stronger as they makan losers territory. So the million dollar question is how to pick potential winners.  laugh.gif
The stocks I have been monitoring had corrected about 18-25%. I'm willing to average down for another 20%. That would mean they fall 40-50%. I don't think China economy can slow down 50%.  biggrin.gif
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Latest report up today, shadow banking crisis which trigger the 12% OPR couple of weeks ago... expected NPL of Chinese banks to report 40% once POBC ask all the banks to declare all their shadow banking. doh.gif

Shadow banking is 'illegal' money lending to state corporations behind the scenes by Chinese banks... usually not recorded in the books more like a float.

If really like that... jialat loh. doh.gif Some Chinese banks are trading at PE 5x...

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CFA Institute: How effective were the PBOC’s recent actions at curtailing so-called “shadow lending” in China?

Fraser Howie: It is far too early to know if its actions have been effective in the long term. The PBOC has been very effective at shocking and disrupting the market, and it has left many wondering what it was thinking and trying to achieve. The problems of poor lending and shadow banking can’t be solved by just squeezing the interbank market, but they have exposed that the banks have been too dependent on short-term, PBOC-driven liquidity. The recent spike will hopefully lead to better liquidity management by the banks, but the problems of poor allocation of capital and shadow banking are nowhere near being solved. The problems have been growing for years and only now is a concerted effort being made to tackle the excesses.

CFA Institute: How extensive are bad debts in China, and is the liquidity crunch at least in part a reflection of a bad debt situation there?

Fraser Howie: The bad debts problems are severe, but they aren’t bad enough or big enough at the moment to cause a financial crisis. China can hold its financial system together, but it will come at a cost of significantly lower growth for a period of years and some nasty shocks to the bank balance sheets over the coming years. The liquidity crunch is only slightly related to the bad debt situation, liquidity isn’t scare because loans weren’t repaid, the recent problems are far more reflective of deposits increasingly going into wealth management products and other short-term instruments, which has hit bank’s liquidity management. This has been especially true of the second tier of lenders. There are also suggestions of a lot of interbank and intrabank lending, which have gone on without proper oversight and risk management: it has meant that on paper the banks look good, yet cash on hand is relatively scarce.

CFA Institute: Are China’s banking problems resolved? If so, why? If not, how much worse can it get? Can China keep growing despite these problems?

Fraser Howie: Far from resolved. We are looking at debt issues which will take years to work out. Credit has been growing well above trend for four years, and yet growth has been getting weaker and weaker. We know that many of the poorer loans have been already rolled over for three to five years, so the problem will be out there for a long time. The problem can get really bad if growth continues to slow, don’t forget that in the late 90s the NPLs were 40%! I won’t be that bad again, but 90% of the bank credit goes to SOEs, which, without their government subsidies, lose money. As for whether China keeps growing, then yes it probably can, but the growth rates will be low single digits. Given where China has come from, that will feel like recession. Even if the new leadership are really committed to reforming the economy, it will still be a tough time. A more open economy will also mean a more volatile economy, and that is something that the leaders won’t like. The likely scenario for China is one of muddling through. Forget hopes or dreams of China as a global leader, the government will be focused on the very real challenges domestically.


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post Jul 4 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jul 4 2013, 08:25 PM)
Last 2-3 weeks until now proven that CBIP plays a major part in my profile. When it recovers, my profile recover as well.
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I also have this counter. Hope this year they can get 450 mil worth of mill projects. rclxms.gif anyway 5c divvy coming soon.
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post Jul 4 2013, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 4 2013, 10:08 PM)
as you said caution period..for 5 year.
1st  5 year the investment put in FD waiting the kaboom, once kaboom happen throw everything to stock within 5 year.
When come to 10th year juz shake leg waiting retire or do what i enjoy doing.

laugh.gif me another 30 year retire by doing above so maybe retire within 15 year.

Only inflation gone high the retirement age need to be extend.    shakehead.gif
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Dream too much... earth calling felixmask. tongue.gif
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post Jul 5 2013, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(vccy118 @ Jul 5 2013, 09:38 AM)
wow... is like simply buy any top 10 stocks sure earn money @.@
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And then later come the crash.... careful playing high volume counters. tongue.gif
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post Jul 5 2013, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(myasiahobby @ Jul 5 2013, 09:57 AM)
WTA - if a company offer warrant (eg:  1 Warrant : 10 Shares) after x -date will the price of mother share be adjust to lower?  thanks
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Usually not automatic, but usually there will be a sell down of the mother shares after the warrant issues. laugh.gif

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