To each his own. You talk about Desa Park City, D'sara heights, Mont Kiara etc there will always be split votes.
Desa Park City- what? It is in Kepong and always so jam. D'sara Height- what not gated and they are super expensive?!! For a link house there I prefer to buy 2 SMD in Rawang. Mont Kiara- crazy?!! Vacancies is so high and price has stagnated. Besides that it is so high density and jam. Note that some points are valid, some are personal choices, some are jealous if others can own a piece and some Re sour grapes who have missed out. You can see all these in the forum here.

We r a group of finance n oil n gas professional working in KLCC area. Some of us staying inside golden triangle (like myself), some from DPC, bkt Jalil etc.
the reason we bought landed in cyber for own stay is quite simple - less traveling time especially KLCC to cyber after office hour, reasonable pricing for landed with good concept n quiet nice living environment in cyber.
Cyber can never be like puchong? We won't buy cyber if hoping cyber to be the next puchong.
Soho / sofo / studio - absolutely agree that too many of them. Good luck to flipper hoping to make some quick bucks.

Like it or not. Cyber will continue to grow just like any other cities in klang valley. So many projects launched n sold out. As long it was sold out, either own stayer or ppl will rent it. Population will continue to grow.  Commercials - there were nothing much few years ago but look ard current condition. So many F&B especially cafe doing well there.

IOI resort city mall - opening in nov 2014 will b the one of the catalyst to draw ppl stay in south klang valley. No right or wrong - it just depends on what you want or we r stupid? Lol

actually i always wanted to ask.
all those big MNC in Cyberjaya, can please name some of them ah?
and these MSC, what do they actually do there ah?
i am assuming they are not industrial by nature?

again assuming most of them are IT based (since cyberjaya mah), given a big MNC in Cyber, what is their workforce like?
got 1,000 staff per company bor? or 300?

i understand it's also courting data call centre or shared service center.
these centers are pretty cost centric. hence every penny is scrutinised. and if it's data or shared centers, they would mostly hired 'low to medium' range salaried workers.

i just need to understand the demographics of cyberjaya population better to deduce whether supply is >, < or = demand

thanks.

I have been searching for a house for own stay for more than a year. Have searched through the whole KV and finally found Cyber is the best place for own stay.

Death town is not an issue. Too far also not an issue. No entertainment, no food, no shopping mall....all not an issue. I only worry too many PR1MA or low cost coming up. That is really an issue. Really don't want to see pisang goreng on the roadside or nasi lemak in the morning.

For own stay I prefer Cyber as per current cyber or slightly "happening'  a bit. If too much 'happening' also no good, not suitable for own stay.

So...after 2 or 3 years.... price mayb hit 3.50 per liter....good luck for those staying at Cyberjaya, Semenyih...n need to travel to KL for working...

When comes to cyberjaya - it's either you love it or hate it.
For me, that's the place I want to stay in next few years before too crowded. Maybe myself or our group are too stupid but, who cares hahaha.

You are the one who said population doesn't grow, no crowd, etc. Now I told you where the crowd is then you said office areas of course people go out to eat, peak hour ma. Contradiction much? 

I didn't project you as a hater but you are proving yourself to be one. And I guess that's the only thing you can hold against people. Keep picking on something you dislike or disagree with without proven facts or evidence and simply fabricating is not hatred? All you had is you spent your life there. Yeah, big deal.   As if that would validate anything you said.

If you really spend your whole life in Cyber and can't see the changes then it is either you are completely numb or blind or truth be told... in denial. You yourself know better than anyone else what you are in denial for.

It is actually none of your business where I had my lunch but I think flexible working hours had probably never cross your mind. 

Anyway, I shouldn't be wasting anymore of my breath on you and I don't want keep beating a dead horse. I just wish that lowyat could have an ignore button so that I can utilise it whenever it is necessary.

Discussion gone to wrong direction. Keep recycling the issues n views. No new discoveries at all. Both camps should be more objective than too subjective. Both have its points.

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Anyone sends their kid to this centre?

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Ya, keen to know if anyone is using this kindy for their kiddos. We looking for decent playschool for our grandchild. And also a decent wet market!!  Ya, lol, there r Cyberjaya ppl who cook or at least tries to if fresh produce r easily available.

I hv been a silent reader of this forum for quite some time n hv been researching on CJ since 2008 when we accidently landed near the lake area when trying to go to Putrajaya. It was love at first sight!

Long story short. After going through a roller coaster of emotions of whether to take the plunge or not (like many forummers here looking to buy into CJ) we eventually put money where our mouth is and bought a property in 2011.

We moved from a very matured neighbourhood in PJ n moved to CJ in July last year. While we are yay-sayers we won't discount what the nay-sayers got to say as rubbish.  Their observations r fairly accurate.

When u r in love u see thru rose-tinted glasses but reality hits when u r desperately trying to find a market or small supermart like JayaGrocers (can't wait for  DPulze to open) to put home cooked meals on the table without having to travel kilometres to get supplies.  No malls as yet but hope DPulze will turn out to be like BSC or The Village in Bangsar.  Cafe/restaurants food pretty decent but not cheap. Even food in Dengkil is not cheap compared to PJ. Anyway can't be eating out everyday and every meal, right? Even if can afford it, eating out long term is unhealthy.

Not all banks r represented in CJ. Nearest Public Bank is in Putrajaya some 12 or 13 km away as is Alamanda (shop selection so blah!)  Lol, frens  who used to convenience of PJ quite shocked when told Alamanda considered near. They say one visit to our place is gd enough. Although they v impressed with CJ infrastructure, landscape, nice buildings n houses n eateries, not at all like the ghost town they thought, they say the lack of malls, market, public schools n the distance puts them off. While using MEX or LDP is fast enough, it's at the expense of the pocket due to toll rates n extra petrol. We calculated it wld be abt RM50+ from CJ to PJ n back. Our grandkid's parents r finding it tiresome n expensive for the daily commute to/from CJ for the child to be cared by us. They work n live in KL. Now the problem is finding good playschool.

Living in CJ right now is not cheap because it is lacking in some basic amenities  n the scale of economies to make it a fairly affordable n self-sustaining township. Glad things are looking in right direction and improving and can be further improved on. Hope forummers from Setia Haruman r reading this. They hold the key to fulfilling CJ's tag line of being a place to "LIVE, study, work and PLAY." (Aiyoh, reported to Indah Waterworks abt the overflowing sewer manhole near our area. Was told Setia Haruman has not handed over to them yet n they have directed our complaint to Setia Hauman. Been two months already manhole still overflowing. Now our area not fully occupied yet wonder what will happen if every house occupied n waste is directed to that faulty manhole!)

All the above aside, we r still in love with CJ n don't foresee ourselves moving out anytime soon. It's got that kind of 'feel' that u can't get anywhere else. Our Singaporean frens say it reminds them of Sentosa Cove :-). Maybe we r retired and can be patient for CJ to come to full bloom. We hv many absent neighbours, mostly young professionals, who obviously are buying into the area for investment only n holding on to their properties until they get the price they want. So if u want in on CJ, it's for the long haul. CJ is no flippers' paradise especially if u enter now. Like someone here say, "It will be boomtown Charlie!" if Setia Haruman steers it in the right direction especially on the "LIVE n "PLAY" part. Not saying its not happening yet but can speed up the pace a bit. But then there is the conundrum of demand vs supply or the chicken and egg syndrome, right?

City school and kampung school always has a gap, BIG GAP! I don't want my kids lost their childhood, so send them to less competitive place. :-)
Where to shop is personal preference, my neigbour like to go NSK Kuchai Lama to buy vege.!

Yah. Dun follow the kiasu parents in singapore here!

Wow. Comparison again Cj vs KL. Too broad and general. KL is huge. Of course, if u have unlimited bullets, you can invest everywhere. Those have limited, then pick the one that give u higher ROI. There is no right or wrong. Many projs in KL also turned horrible eg. 20TW at Melawati, Garden Manor at Sierramas.....list goes on. Reality is everywhere can turn bad, BBB time is over. It is time to see who can pick the right one, be it in CJ or KL.

DPC started to sell their SAFA i think around year 2002/2003

When was DPC started to boom?

Million dollar question. No point to say 5yrs la 3 yrs la etc Lol. Do your homework on its masterplan, on'going projs vp time especially the catalyst projs. Then add in the buffer that it needs to bring in population. The subjective question will then come eg. How do you def large population. Emm..it will never end if one to argue it. Rule of thumbs, if you have done your homework, buy before the catalyst projs completed to enjoy the higher growth rate or returns. Surely, investment involves risk but it has to be calculated risk. Of course, many non cj fans ll say return and horizon as well which is not wrong either.

I'm using it every working day!!!
Daily parking is rm2 not exceed 12 midnight. Rm5 if exceeded 12 midnight. Last time easy to park near the lift lobby or staircase exit. After KLIA2 completed, many AirAsia staffs found cheaper to park here and take ERL than they parking in KLIA2. The car park is getting full now a day.
The monthly ERL session ticket is cheap, rm180 from Putrajaya to Bdr Tasik Selantan, and ard Rm300 to KL Sentral.
The train schedule  20 mins once during peak hours and 30 mins during normal hours.

When is township considered mature? Any definition lol. Take it easy. But CBJ has a baggage unlike other new township like SA or  Bkt Raja etc as it has started in long time ago but wrong and weak masterplan execution. If you do not believe it just skip it and invest elsewhere as simple as that. Investment is about choice. Many KLCC non believers bashed the properties there but many made handsome profit but also many are stucked with it. Choice and pick the right one is always important. To generalise it is bad investment choice in any township/area in fact is a very "emotional" remarks.

Got potential - Buy.
No potential - move on.
Too lazy to argue but 5 years from now i will be laughing all the way to bank... LOL

V3 - I will nominate hunter kor to do it