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TSWazzzap
post Jun 11 2013, 11:03 AM, updated 13y ago

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Processor: Intel i5 2500
Mobo: Asus p8p67 Pro (year 2009 or 2010)
Ram: Kingston 4gb ddr3 1333 (i think)
Psu: Corsair Gaming Series 600W
Card: Asus GTX 460
Casing: CoolerMaster HAF 912
Hard Disk: Samsung 1TB
Monitor: Acer 27'

looking to play latest upcoming games with high reso and graphics e.g. bf4 etc etc


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post Jun 11 2013, 11:26 AM

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Upgrade the graphic card and ram will do the trick.
For a budget 1.5k, try consider Leadtek GTX770 RM1499 or Sapphire 7970 Vapor-x RM1399.
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post Jun 11 2013, 11:36 AM

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RAM to 8gb ? any suggestion for the RAM? thanks

planning to get SSD as well

what you guys think?
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post Jun 11 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 11:36 AM)
RAM to 8gb ? any suggestion for the RAM? thanks

planning to get SSD as well

what you guys think?
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Try PALIT GTX770 2GB - RM1395
8GB G.Skill Value RAM - RM179

SSD you can stick with the plextor.

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post Jun 11 2013, 11:50 AM

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hmm actually what is the difference if its palit or leadtek? kind to enlighten me?

and also should i add in any cooling stuff etc e.g fans
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post Jun 11 2013, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 11:50 AM)
hmm actually what is the difference if its palit or leadtek? kind to enlighten me?

and also should i add in any cooling stuff etc e.g fans
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Different manufacturers.

Leadtek GPUs are not bad for their fairly cheap value and quality.

In fact both cards are roughly the same, just slightly difference in clock speeds and design. Why not picking Palit over Leadtek for even cheaper pricing?

Btw, Palit has just overtake ASUS as the biggest GPUs manufacturer. nod.gif

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TSWazzzap
post Jun 11 2013, 02:23 PM

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may i know whats the difference for jetstream and normal

and also 2gb and 4gb

thanks
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 02:23 PM)
may i know whats the difference for jetstream and normal

and also 2gb and 4gb

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Higher VRAM is just if you are planning to play games above 1080p. A lot of games now are already pushing 2Gb @ 1080p btw. Jetstream is Gigabyte's aftermarket cooler. It's better than stock, but of course, it's a little more expensive.
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Jun 11 2013, 02:31 PM)
Higher VRAM is just if you are planning to play games above 1080p. A lot of games now are already pushing 2Gb @ 1080p btw. Jetstream is Gigabyte's aftermarket cooler. It's better than stock, but of course, it's a little more expensive.
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so if i get the 4gb one..and then i can force my monitor support higher than 1920x1080 reso?
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 02:51 PM)
so if i get the 4gb one..and then i can force my monitor support higher than 1920x1080 reso?
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laugh.gif No. It means if you have a screen with a higher resolution than 1080p, the card will still be able to support it. If you try to run a 2Gb card on a game at 1440p and above, the fps will drop, making the game less smooth.
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post Jun 11 2013, 03:04 PM

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If i got so much budget, i'll SLI 2 unit of 660Ti. The mobo is X8 , X8 SLI capable.I dont think a GTX770 can catch up with this.
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post Jun 11 2013, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 02:51 PM)
so if i get the 4gb one..and then i can force my monitor support higher than 1920x1080 reso?
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If you're not going 1440p,2GB will be enuf ATM..tryout the new Zotac GTX770 AMP! Edition laa.. brows.gif


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post Jun 11 2013, 03:10 PM

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i think i read somewhere whereby some games doesnt support SLi something like that im not sure..correct me if im mistaken
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post Jun 11 2013, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Cable707 @ Jun 11 2013, 03:10 PM)
If you're not going 1440p,2GB will be enuf ATM..tryout the new Zotac GTX770 AMP! Edition laa.. brows.gif
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most of the monitors and tv support up to 1080p only am i right?
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post Jun 11 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 03:11 PM)
most of the monitors and tv support up to 1080p only am i right?
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Yes, most full HD screens are 1080p.
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post Jun 11 2013, 03:21 PM

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so no point if i get the 4gb one? what if i wishes to play on my tv? it all depending on my tv? because i have my pc connected to my tv somehow it felt a bit laggy on the screen and its like kinda small

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post Jun 11 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 03:21 PM)
so no point if i get the 4gb one? what if i wishes to play on my tv? it all depending on my tv? because i have my pc connected to my tv somehow it felt a bit laggy on the screen and its like kinda small
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The 4Gb one will allow you to play most of new games at 1080p without problems. As I said, a few newer games already use up to 2Gb of VRAM and it will only get bigger when games with better graphics pop up. As for your Tv, I'm not sure since I have no way of telling what model or resolution it runs on. tongue.gif

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post Jun 11 2013, 03:39 PM

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i see but i guess the 2gb one would be sufficient

heres my tv spec

Model No : Samsung UA40ES5600 LED TV

Specifications :

Product - Slim LED

Series - 5

Video
Screen Size - 101.6cm (40)
Resolution - 1920 x 1080
Wide Color Enhancer - Wide Colour Enhancer Plus
Digital Noise Filter - Yes
Clear Motion Rate - 100Hz
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post Jun 11 2013, 04:00 PM

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hmm.gif normally I'd consider that as a 1080p screen, albeit a huge one. (40" Goddamn!) But that refresh rate might push a card higher than a normal 60hz screen...
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post Jun 11 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Jun 11 2013, 03:34 PM)
The 4Gb one will allow you to play most of new games at 1080p without problems. As I said, a few newer games already use up to 2Gb of VRAM and it will only get bigger when games with better graphics pop up. As for your Tv, I'm not sure since I have no way of telling what model or resolution it runs on. tongue.gif
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Actually, your hypothesis is not fully accurate. It is true that some of the newer games e.g Crysis 3 consume more than 2GB memory at even 1080p according to this review by Guru3D, but this alone will not be the reason why the game isn't playable. Even with a 4GB VRAM, the GPU itself isn't strong enough for you to even play smoothly with all the details maxed out. So we shouldn't conclude that 4GB will simply allow you to play most games at 1080p lag free, when some games are so intensive that the GPU will simply run out of processing power, rather than become memory limited.

Even HardOCP concluded that there isn't any advantage between a 2GB and 4GB version of the GTX 670.

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This evaluation has concluded that there isn't any advantage, even in the latest games, to using an ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II 4GB video card over a 2GB equivalent for a single-display gaming. We can honestly say now that 2GB is "good enough" even in the latest games like Far Cry 3 and Hitman and Sleeping Dogs for single display gaming on a GeForce GTX 670. The fact is, the performance isn't high enough with a GTX 670 GPU to allow the advantage of 4GB of memory at 1080p or 2560x1600.



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QUOTE(Cable707 @ Jun 11 2013, 03:10 PM)
If you're not going 1440p,2GB will be enuf ATM..tryout the new Zotac GTX770 AMP! Edition laa.. brows.gif
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Free games with 5 year warranty... brows.gif
CyntrixTech has 'em... brows.gif
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post Jun 11 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 11 2013, 04:03 PM)
Actually, your hypothesis is not fully accurate. It is true that some of the newer games e.g Crysis 3 consume more than 2GB memory at even 1080p according to this review by Guru3D, but this alone will not be the reason why the game isn't playable. Even with a 4GB VRAM, the GPU itself isn't strong enough for you to even play smoothly with all the details maxed out. So we shouldn't conclude that 4GB will simply allow you to play most games at 1080p lag free, when some games are so intensive that the GPU will simply run out of processing power, rather than become memory limited.

Even HardOCP concluded that there isn't any advantage between a 2GB and 4GB version of the GTX 670.
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That too, but a 4Gb card will open up possibilities for future SLI. Wouldn't be much point doing an SLI setup if you're going to run up to a VRAM wall when using 2Gb cards.

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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Jun 11 2013, 04:19 PM)
That too, but a 4Gb card will open up possibilities for future SLI. Wouldn't be much point doing an SLI setup if you're going to run up to a VRAM wall when using 2Gb cards.
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Same scenario is replicated as well, as reviewed by HardOCP. You'll likely run out of GPU processing power before hitting the VRAM wall.

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We've given the ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II 4GB video cards plenty of opportunities to prove to us why we would need 4GB of VRAM on these. Unfortunately, these have come short of proving this. We tried pushing a single ASUS GTX 670 4GB to the max on a 30" display, at more than playable settings, and also at 1080p. We saw no advantages with a single card. Then we put two together in SLI and tried to push them to the max at 5760x1200. What we found was that higher settings were possible to enable, but the performance wasn't there to allow them to be playable. Simply, the performance of GTX 670 isn't enough to utilize the capacity of 4GB of VRAM.

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post Jun 11 2013, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 11 2013, 04:40 PM)
Same scenario is replicated as well, as reviewed by HardOCP. You'll likely run out of GPU processing power before hitting the VRAM wall.
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True we might never see a game which utilizes the full 4Gb anytime soon, but newer ones like Metro LL and Crysis at Ultra-Max settings have already gone beyond 2Gb VRAM. I wouldn't say it's cost effective seeing as we barely get any games which utilize it, but it does come in handy in the few games that do, and the number will only increase with newer games coming out.
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so i guess 2gb would be the best choice i supposed..however what do you all think bout the power supply? good enough? need any cooling system or anything else to add on?

if i were to do SLi in the future, can my mobo support this card? looks huge and gigantic
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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Jun 11 2013, 05:00 PM)
True we might never see a game which utilizes the full 4Gb anytime soon, but newer ones like Metro LL and Crysis at Ultra-Max settings have already gone beyond 2Gb VRAM. I wouldn't say it's cost effective seeing as we barely get any games which utilize it, but it does come in handy in the few games that do, and the number will only increase with newer games coming out.
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You'll be surprised at Metro LL, it's not so taxing on the VRAM. The only game I observed so far is only Crysis 3 (8 x MSAA, Very High settings), consuming up to 2.2GB. And even then, you'll not be able to play it very smoothly at all, with or without 4GB VRAM. The point I want to stress actually is, the 4GB is purely a luxury, it will less likely bring upon any significant performance boost on even a higher resolution / multi monitor setup. Rather go for a stronger card, as you'll likely reap more benefits by doing so.
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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 05:10 PM)
so i guess 2gb would be the best choice i supposed..however what do you all think bout the power supply? good enough? need any cooling system or anything else to add on?

if i were to do SLi in the future, can my mobo support this card? looks huge and gigantic
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Your PSU is definitely sufficient for the GTX 770. Noticed that the Jetstream is actually nearly 2.5 slots, i'm not sure if you will have any clearance issue when SLI. For SLI, Guru3D recommends around 750W for 2 x GTX 770.
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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 05:10 PM)
so i guess 2gb would be the best choice i supposed..however what do you all think bout the power supply? good enough? need any cooling system or anything else to add on?

if i were to do SLi in the future, can my mobo support this card? looks huge and gigantic
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Iinm, the p8p67 supports x8/x8 SLI. As for the card, it also depends on the cards itself, reference cards or those close to it should do fine, bigger ones.... hmm.gif not sure about those.
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post Jun 11 2013, 05:36 PM

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yeah but the for the moment shall just stick with 1 card

just wanna ask if you are stressing the GPU would it be very noisy?

as im experiencing now, for example if im playing guild wars 2 my pc would be kinda noisy
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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 05:36 PM)
yeah but the for the moment shall just stick with 1 card

just wanna ask if you are stressing the GPU would it be very noisy?

as im experiencing now, for example if im playing guild wars 2 my pc would be kinda noisy
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Depends.Sometimes,case fans & CPU heatsink that's usually makes the noise..if you're using an old GPU,perhaps cleaning it up a bit would reduce the noise..
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post Jun 11 2013, 09:46 PM

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All you need is upgrade to graphic card and an Ssd.. Get any gtx 770 and Samsung ssd 840, you're all set
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post Jun 11 2013, 11:33 PM

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i see thanks for the advice guys

looking onto zotac's 770 i wonder why isit so cheap and one of the guy selling asus 770 for only 1420? i wonder why
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post Jun 11 2013, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 11:33 PM)
i see thanks for the advice guys

looking onto zotac's 770 i wonder why isit so cheap and one of the guy selling asus 770 for only 1420? i wonder why
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There's 3 model of Zotac's GTX770 2GB iinm.. :

- Zotac GTX 770 2GB - RM1399
- Zotac GTX 770 4GB - RM1499
- Zotac GTX 770 2GB AMP! Edition - RM1550

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Anyway,Cyntrixtech has it iinm.2+3 years warranty & 3 free games are absolutely a steal.. brows.gif
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post Jun 12 2013, 01:36 AM

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yeah but why isit much cheaper than others?
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post Jun 12 2013, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 12 2013, 01:36 AM)
yeah but why isit much cheaper than others?
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Simple.Brands.Well known brands like Asus,Gigabyte etc. are quite stable on market & people will never hesitate to trust their reliability & build quality.To put it simple :

- Colgate vs Fresh & White..both of them are toothpaste.But their price ain't the same..even the result(on cleaning teeth) aren't that much to see..

just my 2kupang.. doh.gif
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post Jun 12 2013, 10:15 AM

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i see but the price difference is just so O_O

i wonder after upgrading how many years more can my rig last
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 11 2013, 04:03 PM)
Actually, your hypothesis is not fully accurate. It is true that some of the newer games e.g Crysis 3 consume more than 2GB memory at even 1080p according to this review by Guru3D, but this alone will not be the reason why the game isn't playable. Even with a 4GB VRAM, the GPU itself isn't strong enough for you to even play smoothly with all the details maxed out. So we shouldn't conclude that 4GB will simply allow you to play most games at 1080p lag free, when some games are so intensive that the GPU will simply run out of processing power, rather than become memory limited.

Even HardOCP concluded that there isn't any advantage between a 2GB and 4GB version of the GTX 670.
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Agreed. smile.gif
Benchmarking is the GPU models straight is better than looking at those VRAM(1GB, 2GB, 3GB, etc).
We can't just judge a Graphic Card performance with VRAM alone.

And some more VRAM Graphic Cards still lose to lesser VRAM Graphic Cards.
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