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Radeon 9600 PRO Overclocking, A big problem...
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TSCompelica
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 May 4 2006, 12:34 AM, updated 20y ago
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I recently overclocked my ATI Radeon 9600 PRO, from stock speeds of 400MHz Core and 300MHz Memory, to 480MHz Core and 330MHz Memory, using ATI Tray Tools.
The problem is, I do not see any performance increase in any tests, example 3DMark2001SE and 3DMark2003.
I initially thought that the card was clock-locked, so I tried using the Softmod drivers, which allows me to overclock the card. Still, nothing changed. Finally, I flashed my video card BIOS to set it to the overclocked speed by default, but there is still no performance changes or whatsoever.
Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Thanks!
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 4 2006, 12:46 AM) that's weird... mayb u 4got 2 click the "apply" button? unless u set the atitray 2 find max speed 4 ur vga, u'll need 2 apply the speed urself once u've change the clock speed..i mean set the clock according 2 u, then click "apply"...shud work Yeah, I've done that, but I already set the the overclocked speed to be the default speed in the BIOS, and there's still no change...  |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 4 2006, 12:54 AM) hoh?how?when u set ur oc speed...it'll b shown in current speed instead of bios speed I edited the BIOS to immediately start at overclocked speeds, that's what I meant. |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 4 2006, 12:56 AM) No extra marks after u unlocked it, flash it with another bios ? Weird, but i think u should use the 9600 unlocking method by using this application at --> http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=680Haha, thanks for the tip! But another problem is I can't find other BIOSes similar to mine... |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(Hackezkk @ May 4 2006, 01:06 AM) LOL i think radeon 9600 locked against OC it will revert to normal speed use ati TOOLS http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=725go to setting misc then tick at remove radeon 9200/9600 OC clock lock ok gud luck I tried that, but it still doesn't work. |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:27 AM
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One of the tests that I had done earlier using ATI Tray Tools:  |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 4 2006, 01:24 AM) I'm using the Catalyst 6.4 Softmod version. |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:42 AM
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I just checked the specifications for the memory on the video card. It's rated DDR400, which means it runs at 200MHz.
I'm already overclocking it at 330MHz non-DDR speed, isn't something suspicious going on with the card? The RAM should definitely fail at this speed...
This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 4 2006, 01:45 AM
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 4 2006, 01:45 AM) scan 4 artifacts lor that's the way 2 c wether u've over-oc o not 400 ramdac?what brand? I did perform artifact scanning to determine the highest speed my card can go... what I'm just not getting is any performance increase. I think it's Gecube. There's no brand label on it, since I got it second-hand, I don't have the box. But the BIOS says that it's Gecube, according to one of the IDs. |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 4 2006, 02:03 AM) ic...then i dun think i can help ya out sorry bro  p/s:what's ur score in 3dmark'03?  at what clock speed? About 2450 at overclocked speed, excluding CPU tests and Sound tests.  QUOTE(almostthere @ May 4 2006, 02:09 AM) Have you tried Omega drivers? AFAIK they do enable unlocking by default Not yet, but it should be the same thing as the softmod drivers. This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 4 2006, 02:39 AM |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 4 2006, 02:28 AM) woohooo....so not like 9600 mine is stock 400/400(ya...chapalang 9600  )...dun do anything oso hit 2.85k...256mb ddr266 ram summore...AFAIC, 3dmark'03 does affected by other pc specs besides vga dun b so sure used default driver from xp SP2(9600 family sth lidat)...got 2.6k only...after updated 2 omega, increement of 250 points  Wow, 2.85k. That's really sweet. At least, for me. Your 9600 RAM speed above is already doubled or not? Mine started with 200MHz... so basically, my 9600 has a 9600 PRO core spec, but my video card RAMs are the specs of a 9600.  Edit: My 3DMark03 scores are based without the CPU test and Sound test... This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 4 2006, 02:40 AM |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 02:05 PM
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Now the words on my screen get blurry... It's not the drivers, monitor, or connection... anyone can help?  I already defaulted the speeds, and it's still on. This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 4 2006, 02:08 PM |
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TSCompelica
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May 4 2006, 08:53 PM
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I just recently found out that the memory clock for my video card is partly locked. When I downclocked it, there was a drop in 3DMark03 points.
The performance drops end at 200MHz, which is the default clock setting. After 200MHz, there won't be anymore performance gain although it is clocked higher.
Any ideas on this?
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TSCompelica
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May 5 2006, 12:31 AM
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After long hours of testing, benchmarking and flashing, I finally found the answer to the problem. It seems that the BIOS locked the memory clock and was unoptimised crap, giving me such low marks that I hated to see. It took me quite long just to find the right BIOS that that had the same configuration with my card, and after I flashed it and ran 3DMark03, I immediately knew there was a difference. With just a BIOS flash, I got a 500 mark boost on 3DMark03 to my score! After overclocking the card even more and a bunch of tweaks to the RAM's timings, the card sped up a lot. My new scores here:    I'm still having the fuzzy problem, though... Thanks to everyone who helped me in the process. This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 5 2006, 12:34 AM |
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TSCompelica
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May 5 2006, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 5 2006, 01:26 AM) chiezzz  ...higher than mine  izzit core speed is more important than mem speed? i oc mine 2 438/235 oso only got 3.2k Haha, yours is gonna top mine soon, I just found a few artifacts...  I think both are important, unless the video card is bandwidth limited (like the 9600SE) QUOTE(Hackezkk @ May 5 2006, 01:27 AM) WOWWWW really keng ahhh mine got 2.9 k onli I think after extensive testing later, it's definitely gonna drop below 3K in 3DMark03. |
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TSCompelica
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May 6 2006, 03:47 AM
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ May 5 2006, 03:08 PM) artifacts after oc 4 how long? after oc mine...i think it's gonna die soon monitor is kinda go 'bright-dimm-bright' dunno wether it's power input or vga Retuned the clock speeds. Now I can only score 3K in 3DMark03 and 10100 points in 3DMark2001SE. |
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TSCompelica
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May 11 2006, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 10 2006, 11:55 PM) Cleartype on ? IIRC cleartype is used on lcd screens oni, i think maybe u enabled them somewhere. Core speed is more important than memory speed. Try to clock the core to the highest with the mem speed set to default. Then u reset the core speed so that u can find the highest mem speed. That way u can find the highest speed for both. Then put the core speed to the maximum and slowly up the mem speed. Compare the marks.  My Cleartype is set to off by default. I still see flickers, like those types when you put your camera too close to a tube light... QUOTE(Amedion @ May 11 2006, 12:14 PM) i can get 3.3k in 3d mark2003... Radeon 9600 pro 456.30/218.70.. Good for ya, dude. |
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TSCompelica
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May 12 2006, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 12 2006, 02:44 AM) Colin, any updates from your 9600 ? No changes, just found out that sometimes it hangs in games. Heard it was a too low voltage supplied to the GPU. Trying to find a mod for it now  QUOTE If add arctic cooling dunno get can higher or not... RM1xx..
better change graphic card than OC...
heard a lot of people said 9600 pro is the worst card for OC'er.. lol.. Well, I heard that the 9600 cores can go up real high... but mine isn't performing up to the hype. This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 12 2006, 04:24 PM |
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TSCompelica
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May 12 2006, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 12 2006, 04:57 PM) Not enough cooling i supposed. U can try Ati Silencer and see how it performs. My 9800XT is performing damn well when paired with Ati Silencer 1. Max oc 450mhz Core/ 412mhz Mem(824mhz effective). I don't think my problem lies in cooling. I used Arctic Silver, lapped the heatsink and it doesn't get hot to the touch. Need a voltmod. |
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TSCompelica
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May 13 2006, 02:15 AM
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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 12 2006, 09:58 PM) Doesnt get hot ? Maybe the cooling device not tounching the core nicely ? I'm sure it's mounted nicely. As said, I need a voltmod. Anyone knows a pencil mod for it? The one at Adrian's Rojakpot doesn't seem to fit mine. Just tweaked more of the timings and got an increase of 200 marks in 3DMark2001SE. |
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