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TSCompelica
post May 13 2006, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 13 2006, 03:21 AM)
Which timing? Ram or the GC ? My D43 have a higher bandwidth at 3-4-4-10. Cas 2.5 wont give any improvement also. I think im hitting the wall already.
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Haha, it's my GC timings, I forgot to mention that tongue.gif

As for my computer RAMs, I shoved 3.3v thru my D43s and only could get 2.5-4-3-11 at 240 MHz.

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post May 13 2006, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 13 2006, 01:35 PM)
Owh, lower Mem clock speeds with loose timing eh ? Nice, but its a bit tricky to do this also. If something happens, you need a pci card to help u.

Amedion : Changing the memory timings wont burn the card in any possible way.
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Yeah, when I loosened the timings, I didn't get any overclocking headroom. So decreasing the timings was the only way.

I found a voltmod for my card's GPU, according to Adrian's Rojakpot guide. The voltage regulator in the guide is 1575 PXCR, where as mine is 1575 PYFL. Should have the same specifications, will try out in 5 minutes.

I don't know where to measure the voltage, so I'm just going have to blindly try and see if I get anymore overclocking gains. smile.gif

This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 13 2006, 08:54 PM
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post May 13 2006, 09:01 PM

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Voltmod was a success. Running my core at 541MHz now, and testing for higher as we speak. rclxm9.gif

During the first time, I didn't know how much I was supposed to pencil, so I just scribbled lines at the voltage controller package and legs. When I switched on my PC, garbage started lining up on my monitor. I switched off my computer, removed the graphite and made only two lines... that did the trick. smile.gif

I benchmarked the card at 530MHz Core and 175 Mem, (my Core used to be 486MHz, Mem the same) and I only got improvements in 3DMark03 by 70 points. Seems that my video card is bandwidth limited.

Doing the voltmod also increased overclocking headroom for my memory. Initially from 168 MHz it went up to 183 MHz. Perhaps a chance to test for loosened memory timings? wink.gif

Still conducting tests, full results will be out later. smile.gif

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post May 13 2006, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 13 2006, 10:12 PM)
I think if u loosened it too much it would decrease the marks too. 9600 is a bit tricky to overclock but once u did it, its a relieve.

Got any success with AtiTool ? They got built in feature that disable the 9600 protection stuff.
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I didn't use AtiTool's anti-overclocking feature. The BIOS that I flashed to my video card is already overclocking-friendly. biggrin.gif

After all the tests, I could only squeeze in another 150 marks to 3DMark03.

I need a voltmod for the memory chips. laugh.gif
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post May 17 2006, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ May 16 2006, 11:30 AM)
no experience at all.. dunno wat u both toking about.. i oni know how to use atitool to oc.. haha
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Haha, you can ask me and uzairi if you have any overclocking problems. Of course, uzairi is much more experienced. notworthy.gif

Still searching for a TSOP voltmod. smile.gif

Edit: Anyone knows what's a multiplexer/demultiplexer?

This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 17 2006, 12:25 AM
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post May 19 2006, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 17 2006, 08:22 PM)
I try to help you guys whenever i can. Make sure u have the proper cooling before attempting any voltage mods tho. Get some ramsink for your TSOP rams yah colin ? You wouldnt want it to fry do you ?

OOT : multiplexer/demultiplexer ? Learned that but forget already. sweat.gif
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I don't think any voltage controlling is related to the multiplexer/demultiplexer. I can't seem to find the IC that controls the voltage distribution to the memory chips. sad.gif
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post May 20 2006, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 19 2006, 11:40 PM)
Google-ed already ? I think you can find it there. Here i attached some of it.

For Ati Reference Card
http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=114&pgno=0

For Gecube, Gigabyte Card
http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=116&pgno=0
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Yeah, I got my voltmods from that. The Gecube GPU voltmod works with my card, but I can't find any IC that's related to controlling the Vmem.
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post May 21 2006, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(newbieockids @ May 21 2006, 07:24 AM)
use omega driver guyz.. u'll get a better result..
here my 96pro result last 2years..
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Wow, that's a great score. Is that RAM at your overclocking program at DDR speed or at normal speed?
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post May 21 2006, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(newbieockids @ May 21 2006, 08:49 PM)
normal.. 648 DDR effective..
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Wow... that's real sweet. I got mine cheap, but I found out it only runs at DDR400 effective. sad.gif

QUOTE(Shah81 @ May 21 2006, 09:02 PM)
most Gecube cards use voltage dividers to determine the ram voltages...click my siggy.... icon_idea.gif



btw...i got 48XX pts in 3dmark03 with my Gecube 9550GT 600/290 with ultra tight timing. i drop most of the timing to the lowest settings that rabit allowed.... sweat.gif

here's my timing:

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Is your video card using BGAs or TSOPs? Based on your speed and timings, most probably it must be BGA. smile.gif

What's the AGP Booster mod for? Any differences after the mod? wink.gif I'll check out your guide and see if it's compatible with my card. The big problem is, my card doesn't use the reference design, nor it uses the higher-end Gecube design which everyone commonly uses. Example, my card only has one voltage controller for the memory and GPU.
QUOTE(paan @ May 21 2006, 09:15 PM)
my last 2 years benchie...the highest i can get...then after few months receive artifacts...aaaii... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif i use coolviva cooling....n dna driver...
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until now still using r96pro...maybe after final exam...will try push again....
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Hmm... everyone seems to use the unofficial DNA drivers. I thought they were only good for benchmarking. Might want to try that later. biggrin.gif
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post May 21 2006, 10:24 PM

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Shah81,

You said that you tried different BIOSes for your 9550GT card. Doesn't the memory brand have to match with the BIOS together? Just a question. smile.gif

My video card pics:

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post May 21 2006, 10:53 PM

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Got the pictures. Hope it's clear enough.

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post May 21 2006, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Shah81 @ May 21 2006, 11:06 PM)
ok before i start anything.....do you have a multimeter?? because if you dont have one i wont help..sorry icon_idea.gif
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Unfortunately, I don't have one right now... I could get it from my friend, but I can't do it by tonight... only by next week.

Thanks loads Shah81, it's seriously very helpful of you. I only want a temporary mod, because I'm not very good in soldering, and I can't find the necessary components (eg. pots).

Once again, thanks. notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(Shah81 @ May 21 2006, 11:23 PM)
so you wanna do the mod or not??.... i thought you're good with soldering. your siggy looks impressive with VDD Mod + Vdimm Mod + Vcore Fluctuation Fix. sweat.gif

btw....the multimeter will be used later. not tonight laugh.gif
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I'm all for it. Only the problem is, finding the right parts for the mod might be quite hard for me, and I'm also afraid that I have to trouble you.

About the soldering part, let's just say that my soldering skills are not as good as yours. smile.gif
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post May 21 2006, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(Shah81 @ May 21 2006, 11:33 PM)
no problem for me...this mod is simple. i figured it out already. now only need a multimeter and pot to make it work thumbup.gif

the parts you can buy from any electronics shop. nothing fancy....normal pot should work just fine.

oh...btw...have you find the point where to measure your Vgpu. if not i can show you where it is icon_idea.gif
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By all means, please show me. smile.gif

I recently did the GPU pencil vmod based on Adrian's Rojakpot website, and it worked. The only problem is now that I don't know how much voltage is going to my core (I just penciled the IC according to the guide).

One thing I realised, when I penciled more on the voltage controller, it seemed that my memory overclocking went slightly higher. Any ideas on this? Perhaps it's linked together?

Pardon me if there's any noobish questions. I'm not very familiar with electronics... sweat.gif

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post May 21 2006, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Shah81 @ May 21 2006, 11:46 PM)
ok in the box no.2, there will be two soldering point. you can measure the voltage at any of these point. if you're on stock cooling, i suggest you stay below 1.5V.

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this is normal....it got nothing to do with gpu voltage but more related to your gpu speed. sometime higher gpu will result in a lower mem speed and vice versa. u just have to find the best combo of gpu vs mem speed.
for 9600, i suggest you max out your mem speed first and then work your gpu.
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Okay, I'll check it once I get a multimeter. wink.gif

I'm not really running on stock cooling, more like modified stock cooling. Used Arctic Silver, lapped the heatsink to 2000grit and replaced the stock fan with a better Sunon 40mmx40mm fan.

Will be getting a few heatsinks for the TSOPs by this week too, if possible.

Is it required to sink the MOSFETs too? The only four I see is the three at the front and the single one at the back.
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post May 22 2006, 12:03 AM

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Double posted.

This post has been edited by colinwong89: May 22 2006, 12:18 AM
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post May 22 2006, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(Shah81 @ May 22 2006, 12:07 AM)
heatsink for the TSOP..yes and a must when voltmodding.
heatsink for the MOSFET...optional. they dont really get hot on my card even after voltmod.

you can cut up a large heatsink to be used on your rams. report here once you got a multimeter. i'll give instructions on how to voltmod your vmem. hopefully i can come up with a pencil mod. smile.gif
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Alright, I got it. Anything else I need to get besides the multimeter?

As for the heatsinks, I don't have any professional tools, and all the heatsinks have a seriously thick base, so I don't think my cheapskate tools would do the job. smile.gif

I'll get the heatsinks from uglyvamp soon. smile.gif

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post May 23 2006, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 22 2006, 05:33 PM)
What he mean was, when he penciled the gpu voltage controller the mem speed can go higher. Not that that increasing the gpu core would result in lower mem clock.

This is normal when u give more voltage to the gpu, slightly higher mem speed can be achieved.  thumbup.gif
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That is weird... the GPU voltage shouldn't affect the memory voltage. laugh.gif

By the way, I'm getting the multimeter by tonight, Shah81. happy.gif
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post May 23 2006, 10:07 PM

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Just got the multimeter. smile.gif

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post May 24 2006, 07:12 AM

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The first picture link is broken Shah81...

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