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barbabas
post Jul 7 2013, 01:14 AM

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Every market will see correction, sooner or later.. and it has signs too. But sees only by whom rationalised its facts. Whoever believe in forever up trend return on investment must read read and read. Let's accept the fact before it's too late.

Those investors holding gold currently suffers. Will it be for the property investors next?
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post Jul 7 2013, 01:40 AM

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Does aggressive measures taken by HK & Singapore Gov few years back has seen its results?

I believe there are more to come from our government. Shorten the loan tenure is just a tease, and the nightmare is yet to come.

But nothing is too late though if we are still alive and leave in this peaceful country lead by BN.
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post Jul 7 2013, 08:10 PM

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I believe in this 5 years to come, property industry willsuffer except for developers that has Gov direct stake through PNB ETC.

On the surface, the move by BNM based on fact that our household debt is worrying is just 'wayang'. Generally, we will see any industry that has single racecontrol will face the AH JIB GOR rage (please read Apa Lagi Cina Mahu info)

Why Ah Jib Gor rage? We are lack of one of important race representative in the cabinet, what's the effect? SP Setia boss with PM in London met UK PM and London Mayor for Battersea project just before BNM announcement? Gov to boost PR1MA? Will Gov boost Syarikat Perumahan Negara Berhad? What's the effect of Kementerian Perumahan minister that has been MCA tradition ministry changed to UMNO?

And the above are just very few signs only?

Some people say not to worry because HK and Singapore price are still high and they will snap our property? Think again oh my fellow brothers.

Firstly, Do you know whats the non merciful measures that they have taken to curb the price in their country? and they are brilliant among us dare comparing HK Spore with KL? I would say this is an epic comparison lol.

Nobody can 100% sure of the market BUT they are signs. I do agree market has its own force BUT be prepare to face the wrath of Ah Jib Gor.

Imagine after this 2nd property 50% financing. Mandatory property lock up period for whatever the years. DIBS banned. Bumi discount any developments of say min 30%. Bumi allocation any developments 50%. Gov establish special set up to guatantee Bumi financing due to their limited buying power by the name to nearer the gap of equity.

And the above again are only few..

Yes, they will still people buying but overall industry?

Just my 2cents..

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post Jul 8 2013, 04:03 PM

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Direct explanation with infographics. I think this will only be the first wave. Ministry of Finance and Minitsry of Housing and etc


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post Jul 8 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 8 2013, 06:39 PM)
400k for lan0sqft... hmm...  gotta be careful here...

if leasehold, actually oildrums n freelance illegal banglas, pay-only-if-u-like... possible, u know. we have seen a lot of such gng promoted as the real thing, not everybody understand it.

if freehold, proper gng with dmc, one will be jumping to find one going from 800k to 650k. 20%... now, that is possible.

some experts predicting 10-20% price drop coming in hongkong.
side question: will some of these rich hk undies/unkers come and sapu boland cheapo props then?
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Good article you got there. HK price drop to 10-20% is consider huge even they have surrounding mega development and structured township plus a very efficient public transport. And that including the establishment wirld of financial banking city.

I believe us will drop more. Even KLCC area is not as slurpy as before even with no serious intervention by policy makers. What do we have to offer? Sustainable living? Low crime city? Good public transport? We have dodgy lorong taib everywhere thats for sure.

There will be huge correction this time. In the coming month we will see abundance offers flooding. How long can the players hold? Even gold full with season players can't bear the storm to hold price stagnant.

This will be the first wave by BNM. More funny things will come especially from the Housing Minister which now hold by UMNO. The max 35 years cap is unnecessary in the first place and why now? For a developing country and the housing industry which progress very well and already stand strong from the sub prime US effect, we definitely need banking supports among others.

I believe this is all political. after all the policies they had regulated for the benefit og their business allies, they were back stabbed. They were hurt badly. It's payback time.

They had predicted this thats why they 'raid' SP. In this boland, everything possible mang.
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post Jul 8 2013, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Dern @ Jul 8 2013, 01:04 AM)
actually i find it very weird that more and more "new ids" and existing ones are trying deperately to explain how "normal" the property situation is in malaysia, after the new implementation....isnt it ironic ? this itself is a sign the property situation is going to go down slowly and surely biggrin.gif

actually you dont have to re-explain to all of this forumers, really...especially the "up campers". they are very obviously agents or people with vested interests, who thinks that by explaining here and "controlling" who posts what that they will control the property reality picture  laugh.gif for sure, more "implementation is to come"....

the fact that when they cant understand that majority of the people's salary doesnt rises with the way property prices rises and keep rebutting with other "excuses", you know they actually are just trying to boast around, not the real deal. not looking down, but for all you know, they might be really working as technicians in lowyat or perhaps no business agents...their way of talking already give you a big picture who they are in reality biggrin.gif
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Sadly few among us got too carried away by the promising market since 08-09. Sadly few among us only think of developers and buyers without balancing with the policy makers influence. Sadly few among us comparing KL with HK Spore price when it favours them but denying the current political measures taken by their gov to cool it down. Sadly among us believe no land anymore in KV. Sadly few among us forget that to be a good investor, we need to put aside emotions and sentimental factors but react promptly with currency changes. Sadly among us still think the price won't go down.

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post Jul 9 2013, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Jul 9 2013, 12:15 AM)
I used to work in CBD KL,  and there are several makan shops, used to be packed during lunch/dinner time. During the 1997-1998 crisis, slowly one by one close shop, finally left only few. Then you see sign of lelong put up at some of those shops. Also slowly colleagues tau pau food from home. I worked in MNC then, when crisis first hit thailand, they say we have strong investment in Malaysia and good business for 30 years and no retrenchment, then 6 months later
VSS started. Another 6 months, another VSS round....

MacDonald shop survived, KFC shop
survived,... but I am sure those particular branches are not making 💰💰, more like losing and the properly owner still making 💰💰

I am just sharing.....
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Thank you for sharing your valuable experience. I believe we can all learn something from your stories.

barbabas
post Jul 10 2013, 05:14 PM

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Most discussions are heading right, bravo!

But don't forget about the policy makers group.
Think again, the high price is really due to the 'real demand' or the gov policies that blessed?

Are the land really scarce in our country? All the marketing DIBS bla bla financing 90% bla bla?

Don't forget, political influence too. We learned PESTEL, no? Every factors weight equally thus the discussion must not only based on the E.

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post Jul 10 2013, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Jul 10 2013, 08:37 PM)
🎁🎁🎁🎉🎉🎉
From Star today

KUALA LUMPUR: A total of 100,000 houses will be built under the 1Malaysia Civil Servants' Housing Programme (PPA1M) nationwide, said Chief Secretary to the Government Tan Sri Dr Ali Hamsa.
He said besides Putrajaya, the Government would identify strategic locations in the capital and major centres, including in Sabah and Sarawak, to expand the programme.

"The project will be implemented once it is approved by relevant authorities," he told reporters after opening the Parent Teacher Association Carnival and new facilities at Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan (SMK) Damansara Utama here Sunday.

He was commenting on a call from Cuepacs to the federal and state governments to provide medium-cost houses, priced RM250,000 or below, for civil servants.

Ali said the first phase of the PPA1M programme involving the construction of 10,366 houses was launched in Putrajaya by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak in April.

The PPA1M provides public housing with a minimum floor area of between 1,000 and 1,500 sq ft at a price of between RM150,000 and RM300,000.

Meanwhile, Ali said the Putrajaya PPA1M had received an encouraging response with 105,000 applications received to date.

Successful buyers are only required to pay for the houses once they are completed and not while work is still in progress. - Bernama
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Clever.

PR1MA, SPNB, BNM new regulations. PPA1M.

What's more? I believe there are more to come.

Ministry of Housing is yet to announce drastic move and the climax may be from the Finance Ministry.

They will be lots of offer for property below 400k in this 5 years. The market has decent options. With tighten credit regulations, yes the are still rich uncle pakcik anney grandfather and so on, can the high price sustain? Please don't tell me Japan Uk Aussie investor, if they were really huge, the KLCC or Mont Kiara won't be as what it is today.

I believe it will be a very huge correction.
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post Jul 10 2013, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Jul 10 2013, 11:37 PM)
A good article:

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.ph...2#axzz2Yeo50G2I
Each day the signs are getting nearer.
Prepare for a burst guys!
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The signs however only appear to those who humbly rationally think. Still there are lots in denial phase. Hope our new KDN minister would be able to control the incoming crimes.
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post Jul 11 2013, 08:58 AM

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The Gov are too kill DIBS too? How soon?

and what's more they are up too? Pretty sneaky eh?

For those who haven't aware yet, importante!

Who will buy SPNB PR1MA PPA1M if there lotsa options.

It's like offering PROTON to the market. How to make PROTON looks competitive? Answer: Funny Act

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post Jul 11 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Jul 11 2013, 09:27 AM)
DIBS is risky. Don't blame blinder by your conspiracy urge.
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DIBS is risky? Yes so do property gold etc. It's not conspiracy, it's analysing. Please don't blame me for blaming blinder?

Why only the E, or S ? How about the PTLE?
Evidence: Don't you see the establishment of Hostel or budget hotel everywhere? Does it really based on E, or P and L? Who own those business and whose the master?

Every factors equally. And this Boland don't you think the P and L factors ultimately drive the economy rather than the E factor?

Remember, every factors equally important in any investment.
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post Jul 12 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jul 12 2013, 12:09 PM)
Things are coming back hotter?
Singapore Q2 GDP surges 3.7% yoy
By Teh Shi Ning | Business Times Singapore | July 12, 2013
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/breaking-n...37-yoy-20130712
KL-S'pore HSR gathers momentum 
The Edge Property | By Fatin Rasyiqah Mustaza & Kamarul Anwar | Wednesday, 10 July 2013 13:57
http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-views/11373.html
Malaysian Stocks First From Worst on Lowest Volatility 
Bloomberg | By Weiyi Lim & Ian Sayson - Jul 10, 2013 10:14 AM GMT+0800
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-09/m...volatility.html
The Chinese are coming!
The StarProperty | Friday July 12, 2013 MYT 11:34:22 AM
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Community/2...are-coming.aspx
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Thanks Accetera, a very good info worth every secs reading. Absolutely come from versatile investor I guess.
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post Jul 16 2013, 08:47 AM

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Oh brothers, the signs are getting clearer. But then again, only seen to those who think and see. As I mentioned earlier, BNM announcement will just be a teaser, here's the second wave. And it will not stop oh my beloved brothers. Analyse the political rather than the economic sense, and you will see.

If we can still stand the first and second wave, can we still stand the waves of third, fourth fifth and so on.
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post Jul 16 2013, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(barbabas @ Jul 16 2013, 08:47 AM)
Oh brothers, the signs are getting clearer. But then again,  only seen to those who think and see. As I mentioned earlier, BNM announcement will just be a teaser, here's the second wave. And it will not stop oh my beloved brothers. Analyse the political rather than the economic sense, and you will see.

If we can still stand the first and second wave, can we still stand the waves of third, fourth fifth and so on.
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Today Berita Harian. For further details, get a copy of it or try online.

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post Jul 16 2013, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(barbabas @ Jul 16 2013, 08:49 AM)
Today Berita Harian. For further details, get a copy of it or try online.
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post Jul 16 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 16 2013, 09:10 AM)
Its only proposed, not confirmed... but will be interesting to see the impact (if any) of this news especially on those who have recently booked some unit(s) for investments (flipping in the short term).

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True indeed that is only a proposal. But don't be surprised shall the proposed % suddenly become higher when they decided to announce.

There will be more 'proposal' which I believed so.

New UMNO minister don't you think he don't want to score points?
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post Jul 17 2013, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(truelife @ Jul 17 2013, 05:42 AM)
Normally valuers use comparison method based on actual transacted values around the same area. But the actual transacted values are registered 6 months later. That means valuers can only track transactions completed 6 months ago or even longer. Thats why nowadays in a lot of areas valuers value can never match sellers value.
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+1 not all realised this. Thumbs up !
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post Jul 18 2013, 08:39 AM

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Im not labelling but based on the opinions and arguments, IF I'm a boss I would like to put:

Accetera : Head of Strategic Div
Agentdiary : Head of Risk Div
Kidmad : Head of Business Dev Div
Rooney : Special officer CEO office

Don't angry ah tai kor..joke2 only. Im enjoying all the opinions and articles forwarded even most of the time my views differs. But hey, nobody's perfect anyway and humbly I do learnt a lot.

What we are talking is about the future, so for me no ones right or wrong. We see things as how we like to see it meaning that our appetite may not be the same.

But knowledge in the other hand is very very crucial. Oh how I love readings them posting that somehow sometime can be very emotional..sob sob..

Salam 1Malaysia ; p

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