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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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icemanfx
post Jun 8 2013, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 8 2013, 09:27 PM)
Thailand, Indonesia, China lower risk???
Initially I thought u don't kno abt MK prop......
Then I realize u don't kno abt prop.......
Now I realize u don't kno abt your direction......
The end.
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Suggest you make a visit to Bangkok, any major city in China and Jakarta on property investment before you rule them out.

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post Jun 8 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 8 2013, 07:42 PM)
Bro, BNM is extremely strict nowadays. If your income cannot justify the loan amount, your application will be thrown out. There are so many rejected cases since late last year.

I agree it is a concern if banks are allowed to simply give out loan. But now they are worried about NPL. So the situation is not like the banks are blindly giving out loans to people who are not eligible.

And I agree people should not buy beyond their financial ability for the sake of owning properties. That is dangerous.

From your replies to various post above, I agree that you should not buy any property now. At least you will sleep a lot better. Maybe you should wait for the price to come down 1 day. And buy only when you are comfortable
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Property market is depending on bank loan. As most developments are supposed to complete from next year or so, high NPL is not expected until after 2015.

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post Jun 9 2013, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 9 2013, 11:00 AM)
Boss invest prop in Britain with lower GBP ll not double the gain even thou I'm not sure bout wats the time frame u set for ur claim.

I almost bot a unit in zone 2 when GBP was 4.77 against RM. If I really hav bot it, I find no reason to double the gain today as the GBP is around the same as for today. Worst performance for GBP against RM for the past few mths was around 4.5+ and best at 5.0+. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Lets assume GBP has its lowest value against RM for the past 5 yrs, the value of the apartment I targeted actually appreciated about 10% fr the day I took note of it till today. Kindly explain the double gain part as I'm not very gd in tis kinda calculation.  smile.gif

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Gain in property value and GBP/MYR exchange rate.

GBP was hovering about 5 in the last 2 years and 4.5 recently.



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post Jun 9 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 9 2013, 11:11 AM)
Icic. Thanks. Can share which part of British props double the value in 5 yrs with the GBP : RM xe within tis 5 yrs? I think I missed the boat for not buying the London apartment.

Pls do share. Thanks
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Not sure about double value in 5 years but given London property is unlikely to go any lower, the following area can't be a bad buy;
Canary wharf E14, Kensington W8, Chelsea SW1W

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post Jun 9 2013, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 9 2013, 03:00 PM)
Huh? GST implementation will cause a recession? Care to explain?
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Vendors need to pay GST by the following month regardless of receivable. Hence, will have negative impact on cash flow, and most vendors will pay more tax at the end.

Expect vendors to pass on GST to consumers.

When Singapore introduced 3% GST many years ago, Singapore went into recession.



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post Jun 9 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 9 2013, 06:06 PM)
I thought you don't know property only. Now you show you don't know taxation as well  laugh.gif

GST are paid by the final person who consume the goods. Vendors are able to claim back the GST paid along the chain. There is no effect to vendors for the overwhelming majority of the goods and services provided.

Cashflow wise, the vendor only remit the nett GST to Customs. Ie, the GST they collect from the customers is offset against the GST they paid to their suppliers. So, if they pay more GST then collect, the Customs will even refund the vendor back for that month ! There is no major cashflow issue to the vendor. Only the final consumer of the goods & services will pay the tax

Suggest you study the GST structure before you make yourself a fool in your future posting. If you have any questions, do ask here. I will be glad to help as far as I know  icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.treasury.gov.my/index.php?optio...default&lang=en
And not only property and tax you don't know. Economics also you don't know.

You mean when all the countries in the world which implement GST, all of them went into recession ? You mistaken recession = inflation, they are different thing lah my friend. If you say all countries when they implement GST, their inflation gone up, then you are correct. GST will cause recession ? Then all countries will not implement GST lah bwahahaha

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Property market in Malaysia is defying gravity/economic theory. Hence, hard to comprehend.

On GST will bring recession, we can wait and see.

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post Jun 10 2013, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 9 2013, 11:43 PM)
You don't know property, you don't know taxation, you don't know economics. Do you know anything other than "wait and see" ?

You can just google the countries which implement GST and see how many of them fall into recession solely because of GST  doh.gif

Do your homework and post the link here. Rather then just ask people to "wait and see"  laugh.gif

Please continue to entertain us. Looking forward to it  notworthy.gif
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Unless you could prove or show; you made more money and have more assets (not bank's) than me, there is no reason to learn from you.

Show me the money.


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post Jun 10 2013, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 10 2013, 06:42 AM)
Walan, didn't know to win in a debate with you I have to prove I am richer than you. Since when in LYN does a person's wealth will determine who's idea is more convincing ? Grow up boy laugh.gif  laugh.gif

I feel like talking to a kindergandener. Trying to teach him 2+2 = 4. Then suddenly he said "you gotta prove to me you are richer than me, if not why should I learn from you ?"

I really like you. You are a great entertainer of this forum  thumbup.gif
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You may not know my qualification but I have experienced recession in 1987, 1997 and 2008, and emerged stronger than before. In the bull run, anyone entered the market be it obasans or students will make profit. However, only those disciplined not affected by bear run. Tell tale sign of property bubble is coming to the end is not dissimilar to those in 1986 and 1996. In every recession, it is sad to see many people drown by their investment. Greed is good but if blind by greed will almost certain loss more than you hope and could afford.

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post Jun 11 2013, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 11 2013, 04:36 PM)
From your previous replies, I don't see a correlation between your (claimed) qualification and experience with the knowledge in taxation and economics laugh.gif

On second part of your comment, you seemed to be more preoccupied in thinking of losing money in the recession than making money in boom times. You only notice the sadness of "people drown by their investment". How about people making money during property boom ? It has 2 sides for every coin

Not to sound too optimistic, in all types of investment there are instances we lose money. But there are also chances we make money. It is up to the people to judge based on their business acumen. Risk and opportunity is always there for us to grab. Of course you can choose not to grab it.

I notice the conservatives tend to wait for all 10 traffic lights to turn green at once before they move. While entrepreneur will solve the issue when they come to a red light.

Of course, the dare devil who beats the red lights takes more risk and may reach the destination a lot faster. But on the other hand, he may be killed when he jumps the red at the 4th traffic lights  laugh.gif

While the conservative never move because the traffic lights will never turn all green simultaneously tongue.gif
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Almost anyone e.g. obasans and students may make profit in the bull run (e.g. property, stocks, gold, etc). However, only the savvy few escape recession.

Those who were caught in 1987, 1997 and 2008 (in the U.S and Europe) can tell, what you made in the bull run won't be enough to cover the losses.

Given income is not rising half as fast as house price and increase in housing supply, current house price is not sustainable.

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post Jun 12 2013, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 11 2013, 04:36 PM)
From your previous replies, I don't see a correlation between your (claimed) qualification and experience with the knowledge in taxation and economics laugh.gif

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Australia introduced GST in 2000 and GDP growth rate in 2000 was?

http://www.gstaustralia.com.au/

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/gdp-growth


U.K. introduced VAT in 1973 and GDP growth rate in 1973 was?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/a-brief-...at-1593926.html

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth


Singapore introduced GST in 1994 and managed to knock off a few % of GDP growth in the middle of East Asia economy boom.

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=1852

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/singapore/gdp-growth-annual


Perhaps you could enlighten us why introduction of GST in Malaysia won't knock off a few % from GDP growth? If GST is 7%, how it won't effect the economy or send the economy to recession even if briefly?

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 11 2013, 04:36 PM)
From your previous replies, I don't see a correlation between your (claimed) qualification and experience with the knowledge in taxation and economics laugh.gif
From; http://www.abn.org.au/business-resources/k...h-flow-flowing/
If you have customers who are slow to pay bills, it is essential to bring them into line. The sale is not complete until the money is in the bank. The area of greatest sensitivity and an indicator that you have a problem is when debtors extend beyond 45 days.

If you use accrual accounting for your GST reporting, late paying customers are more than just annoying, they’re downright dangerous.

The GST due on your sales must be remitted to the tax office either every month or every quarter (depending on how you are registered), regardless of whether your client has paid the bill or not. If your customer doesn’t pay, you could be out of pocket.

Cash flow management after introduction of GST
http://www.cric.com.au/seaanz/resources/85DreverHartcher.pdf


May be you can advise us what is the average credit terms in Malaysia and why introduction of GST won't have negative impact on companies cash flow in Malaysia in the first year?


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post Jun 12 2013, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 11 2013, 04:36 PM)

On second part of your comment, you seemed to be more preoccupied in thinking of losing money in the recession than making money in boom times. You only notice the sadness of "people drown by their investment". How about people making money during property boom ? It has 2 sides for every coin
Believe it is better to buy repossessed property during recession. In the U.S., U.K., Spain and Greece repossessed property can be bought at 60% of peak value.



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post Jun 12 2013, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(tsunamiboy @ Jun 12 2013, 03:02 PM)
wat happen to most asian currency especialy malaysia.Drop so much
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And the gomen has put up tax on cigarette and beer quietly!

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post Jun 13 2013, 04:48 AM

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What will cause the property price bubble to pop? A few defaulted or desperate flippers to cause transacted price to plunge?




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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jun 13 2013, 05:01 PM)
wow, i tot malaysia's property is one of the cheapest around?
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Cheapest relative to? income?

In London E14, a 2 bedroom apartment could range from GBP120K to over GBP900k. Is the cheapest GBP120k apartment under value, very cheap to buy?



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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 16 2013, 07:28 PM)
guys, I need advice here:

I'm a first time property buyer. Recently I saw an apartment unit at Pelangi Damansara, the unit is vacant and rented out, and tenancy contract will end next year Dec. The owner is selling at RM325K and the current rental is RM1400 per month.

I have searched around, the units of this apartment are selling at RM280K +, not more than RM300K.

My questions:
1. Given the MRT is under construction, is it worth buying this unit for investment?

2. Should I get an inspector to investigate the value of this unit?
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How many existing and new apartments are near to MRT station?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 16 2013, 07:28 PM)
guys, I need advice here:

I'm a first time property buyer. Recently I saw an apartment unit at Pelangi Damansara, the unit is vacant and rented out, and tenancy contract will end next year Dec. The owner is selling at RM325K and the current rental is RM1400 per month.

I have searched around, the units of this apartment are selling at RM280K +, not more than RM300K.

My questions:
1. Given the MRT is under construction, is it worth buying this unit for investment?

2. Should I get an inspector to investigate the value of this unit?
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jun 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
good rental, my friend is renting out RM800 only. perhaps is time to revise the price.
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Who will pay rent on vacant low cost apartment? Could the tenant is phony? The seller forego 10 months (RM8,000) rent for extra RM45,000.






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post Jun 17 2013, 08:08 PM

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Buying a property with over 15 years loan tenure is not unlike buying a car with 9 years repayment. During 30 years loan tenure, the borrower is almost certain will experience 3 or 4 recession. Unless s/he has the reserved to sustain through the bad time, s/he could be underwater or drown.

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jun 17 2013, 08:37 PM)
Same la for the worst thing that will be happned for both is undergone to public auction if one failed to pay promptly.

Real estate somehow can expect for capital appreciation but car definitely depreciate in value.

Lets say the house with loan 15 years and the market value 500k. One failed to pay at year of 8. The market value if lucky with minimal appreciation of 5% pa. Roughly 150k up from 8 years ago. The auction price starts from 650k. If lucky again, many bid for it, call price will be above 650k as happened since 5 years ago.wink.gif
If not lucky the bid price will maybe minus 10% from market value 650k.

All stated above is only assumption. Find your real case study.

15 years loan, paid back at year 8, the loan amount also starting reduced. Equity has been built up then.
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Only if extended housing loan is the only liability but people who stretched on housing loan is likely to have 9 years car loan. People who have 9 years car loan is likely to max up their credit cards.

People who have extended car loan e.g. 7+ years are more likely to be behind in installment even not in recession.


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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 17 2013, 11:32 PM)
You have too much worry, what a typical mindset of down camp, that's why we have so many down camp here, scared this and scared that, keep waiting until price went up, then complain price unrealistic and hope for price drop.
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Bull market is the worst time to invest. As income didn't increase in tandem with property price, the current property price is unsustainable.

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