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 Nokia Lumia 1020 & Various Nokia M$ Talk, RM2,499 with camera grip.

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Andy214
post Sep 20 2013, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Sep 19 2013, 06:22 PM)
I understood the feeling for first adopters of L920.
I was about to become one as well, but I decided to wait then only grab a Lumia 620 1-2 month after.

L920 was RM1,999 when announced in Jan,2014 (I assumed) then now (8 months later), RM1,419 @Superbuy.my
Yet, no bundled with Wireless Charging at Launch. A big big loss, that is all I can express for early adopters.

Still, I feel what is important is they continue to love their phone.

I think the owner is lkhoe.
He paid about RM2,400 inclusive permit but without Grip.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=62608619
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Thanks for the clear and detail info. Yes, if already make decision to purchase, don't look back and just enjoy your device. Whatever device will eventually drop price, if already decided to purchase and need to get it immediately then don't look back. If can wait, then just wait until "cannot wait" ahahaha.

For this 1020, I can only say:
The main target should be the predecessor, the Nokia 808 PureView Customers. They should grab these customers so that they STAY with Nokia. These customers are not WP users, does Nokia-Microsoft want the customer's to TRY and switch to Lumia series PureView?
If these customers somehow jump to another platform, Nokia just lost their customer base,... just like how they did when they switch to WP and looses a lot of their Symbian Customers (that's also one major reason why Samseng become successful; majority of their customers are from Nokia)
Now is the time they need to grab more customers into their Lumia series, in terms of Camera features, the Z1 is marketing it and the Galaxy S4 Zoom (of course this is bulky); If the customers didn't choose Lumia because of the price, Nokia-Microsoft just lost potential customers again.

Another important factor is, for those people who just 'switch' platform, say from Symbian, iOS, BB, etc. Imagine if the chosen the Android alternative because of 1020 pricing. Once they 'started' the new platform, they setup their 'accounts', they start to invest/downloads their apps and customize their Androids.
It's even harder for them to switch to WP next time, especially for those who started investing into apps/games; switching platform means their purchases all goes to waste because they have to 'start over' at WP platform.
I wonder if Nokia-Microsoft realizes this important criteria? I inform Nokia's staff before about this importance since WP7, but not sure if it reaches which level.

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post Sep 20 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(xSean @ Sep 20 2013, 10:58 AM)
one things, smartphone market different from pc market....if you use android now, does not mean u will use forever and most users will change phone within 1-2 years some even fast....

regarding investment of apps/games, i heard ios7 some developer will charge again the app u have brought for ios7....mean the app u bought in ios6 and below cannot use in ios7, u need to buy again for the app which newer version for ios7....

is logic to do that....developers also need to makan and support u, cannot be u buy one app for rm3 support u forever. if they don't update, another competitor will makan their customer...if keep update and support, how to earn for living...

for games lagi fast...once u brought it and play for sometimes, sure u will never play it again...do u still play the games in pc that released 2002/2003?
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Yes for games, those old game you most likely won't play again, but some games you can keep playing. I'm not talking about action/adventure game, I'm talking about games like words, puzzles, etc. It's more likely a person may still play it, when switch platform, all these purchases, they need to re-purchase on the new platform.

Apps and Widgets/Launcher (on Androids) are more value and it maybe costly purchase. All gone.

Anyway, the key point here is, for Nokia-Microsoft to understand the IMPORTANCE to GRAB the customer before they 'switch' to another.
When they LOST the customer, it's HARDER to get them back.
You have to think not as a customer, but as a company which needs to capture back the market and get back into the game. As you said, once a customer change phone, it can be years before they change again, by the time they change, it's MORE challenging to make people 'switch' that time compare to the time when they are deciding to switch from an obsolete/old platform (e.g. Symbian --> other platform).

Nokia was once World No. 1. How did Samseng rise suddenly and in such short time? Did they come up with something good? Where did the customers come from suddenly and so many?
Well, most of them are from Nokia, Symbian users. Those Nokia Symbian users, most of them already decided to SWITCH, this is the important time for Nokia to MAINTAIN their customers by offering a good alternative, but they failed to do so. Now the customers left and have 'bad' impression with Nokia, it's harder for them to go back to Nokia.

Anyway, this is going off topic, lolx.
Just my personal opinion that this Lumia 1020 spiked MANY interest from others, but they should've priced it competitively to quickly capture the market.
E.g. If people go for Z1, especially those people 'switch' from older/obsolete devices (e.g. Symbian), this is the key time to capture these customers because many customers, once they switch new platform, they might stay there.
And more importantly, to ensure PureView predecessor, the Nokia 808 PureView customers, to STAY with Nokia. These are Symbian users, that maybe looking for replacement for their 808 PureView. Will Nokia loose MORE of their Customers?


QUOTE(David900924 @ Sep 20 2013, 12:07 PM)
tongue.gif Hi Sean, i forget to tell u, I love taking photo.. the only drawback of lumia camera function is the aperture setting, it is fixed, compare to galaxy s4 zoom.

I not sure if 925 have the full Manual camera setting like 1020, if it does, then i need think twice whether i need spend addtional RM1,000 for the 41mp and I not sure if the quality is better than my canon 550D dslr..
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If you actually compare in details, no match/comparison at all with DSLR.
But it's a phone with great camera and always with you, and the lossless zoom or >30MP file is really something.
BUT, just to highlight, from 808 PureView experience usage compared with other Smartphone camera, it's not ALL GOOD, there're some drawback/weakness...

Firstly, bigger sensor also means more shallow DOF, and you can get more errors of out-of-focus shots especially for close-ups. Thought this is not actually a weakness more of user's understanding.
For weakness, it's more on the usage, comparing 808 PureView with other samrtphone camera, it's slower, auto-focus problems (hard to lock on) and seems to prefer slow shutter speed (auto mode users take note) which is a problem when taking moving subjects.





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post Sep 20 2013, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(xSean @ Sep 20 2013, 01:02 PM)
the good thing about 1020, i pretend take pic of my frens but actually take the chick pic sitting far opposite...then can zoom until just make pic of that chick... biggrin.gif
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Yes, if you own the 808 and have tried the 38MP file, it's just amazing.
While the pixel oversampling, when using PureView 3MP mode, you can zoom until the maximum and still get very clear details, comparing with other smartphone when zoom, it's like low resolution CCTV footage.

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