They also modify the engine so that it can take the higher stress...
Small engines - for good or worse.., It's the future for auto industry
Small engines - for good or worse.., It's the future for auto industry
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May 29 2013, 12:09 PM
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They also modify the engine so that it can take the higher stress...
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May 29 2013, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 16 2013, 07:45 PM) T&H where got reliability nowadays. It's just the PERCEPTION of reliability. Overpriced crap cars with little features, sucky drive and average reliability. Hey, remember, Toyota has killed people with their high-end LEXUS with brakes which won't work. it's all down to demand. see lots of t&H on the road..already think that the car is good. might be true since, most t&h car is bare spec. less airbag=less problem. |
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May 29 2013, 12:51 PM
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May 29 2013, 02:57 PM
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May 29 2013, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(cokeaddict @ May 29 2013, 02:57 PM) bro...big or small....any engine will suck fuel in city drive bro... imagine the countless times we get stuck in traffic..on the way to work, meetings and home? Pure waste of fuel. I know, but somehow N/A engine sucks less than turbo in the same situation, a N/A car like Honda Civic 2.0 is easily able to get +- 10l/100km while cars like the 308 Turbo, under the same condition and driving style would get around 11.5 - 12l/100km |
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May 29 2013, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ May 18 2013, 11:46 AM) For N/A, torque down low depends a lot on engine displacement, the bigger it is, the more punch you can get in lower rpm. The trade-off is usually in trying to get the big engine also to rev as high to achieve big power as well at the top of the rev ranges, since there would be bigger/heavier and more parts to move faster, so more difficult than getting smaller engines to rev higher. But big engines do not need to rev too high anyway since they can already generate a lot of power in lower rpms. That's the inherent advantage of big N/A engines. FI nowadays has become more and more sophisticated to substitute for displacement. In a way a car engine is like an air pump, big engines can suck more air while FI serves to supply more air. The challenge is to make it as responsive as N/A response, especially down low. So you cannot compare directly a 1.4 FI with a 1.4 N/A engine and expect the N/A to be able to match the performance of the FI one. it also depend on engine stroke length, the longer the stroke is, more torquey the engine will be, even if the engine displacement is big, but have big bore short stroke engine configuration , the punch will still be suck at low end but it will be rev happy engine with high rev limitAny engine as long as they're designed from the beginning to be FI engine, then should be fine, regardless of the displacement. The bigger the engine, top it off with proper FI, the merrier it will be IMHO. most big engine have long stroke small bore ratio, that's why most car with big CC have low rev limit |
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May 29 2013, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(cokeaddict @ May 29 2013, 02:57 PM) bro...big or small....any engine will suck fuel in city drive bro... imagine the countless times we get stuck in traffic..on the way to work, meetings and home? Pure waste of fuel. QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 29 2013, 03:00 PM) I know, but somehow N/A engine sucks less than turbo in the same situation, a N/A car like Honda Civic 2.0 is easily able to get +- 10l/100km while cars like the 308 Turbo, under the same condition and driving style would get around 11.5 - 12l/100km Maybe because the turbos are small enough that they'll already spool up fast in lower rpms. Also maybe tuned to be more rich to increase reliability of the engine.QUOTE(h4dRi @ May 29 2013, 03:03 PM) it also depend on engine stroke length, the longer the stroke is, more torquey the engine will be, even if the engine displacement is big, but have big bore short stroke engine configuration , the punch will still be suck at low end but it will be rev happy engine with high rev limit Yeap, oversquare vs undersquare engines.most big engine have long stroke small bore ratio, that's why most car with big CC have low rev limit |
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May 29 2013, 04:41 PM
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Gone are the days of big displacements. manufacturers are taking a step back, but developing what was left behind. Convert heat, wasted energy via turbochargers. Low comp? No problem... now high comp with direct injection to inject fuel anytime if knocking occurs.
Btw, Check out the Tata Nano, 800cc two-cylinder turbodiesel. Fuel consumption? 40km/l |
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May 29 2013, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ May 29 2013, 04:41 PM) Gone are the days of big displacements. manufacturers are taking a step back, but developing what was left behind. Convert heat, wasted energy via turbochargers. Low comp? No problem... now high comp with direct injection to inject fuel anytime if knocking occurs. The Tata weights nothing though...Btw, Check out the Tata Nano, 800cc two-cylinder turbodiesel. Fuel consumption? 40km/l |
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Jun 1 2013, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(h4dRi @ May 29 2013, 03:03 PM) it also depend on engine stroke length, the longer the stroke is, more torquey the engine will be, even if the engine displacement is big, but have big bore short stroke engine configuration , the punch will still be suck at low end but it will be rev happy engine with high rev limit Undersquare, square or oversquare, it depends what chassis carmaker wanted to fit that engine in. You want performance in sports sedan, go oversquare. If you wanted torque aka pulling power for larger heavier car, go undersquare. Square engine is in between usually found in 2.0L engine such as Camry, Lancer, Sonata, Forte, old Bluebird Altima. most big engine have long stroke small bore ratio, that's why most car with big CC have low rev limit To be exact, turbocharged engine is designed to compete larger engines (competitor) or as successor to the bigger N/A engine. Example, Pug508 1.6T output 156ps@6000rpm torque 240Nm@1400rpm acceleration 0-100km/h 9.2s is designed to counter D-segment 2.4L. It is wrong to compare Pug508 1.6T engine with normal 1.6L N/A engine. It should compare to Camry 2.4L, Accord 2.4L, Teana 2.5L, etc in FC. Bigger engine such as 3.5L, 4.0L or 5.0L V6/V8, they are already breaching the more than optimum level especially in similar weight chassis as powered by 2.4L engine therefore, the excessive strength is more than enough to give it the punch at low rev. Not just the stroke length, the size of the engine alone is already powerful enough to pull a 3tonne truck. |
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