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post Jun 3 2013, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Jun 3 2013, 07:04 PM)
what the thing look like brick on the tank?
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reactive plates
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post Jun 5 2013, 03:24 PM

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wear that in our forest I think he will able to tahan 5mins.
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post Jun 5 2013, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 5 2013, 03:25 PM)
probably its more towards FIBUA.
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I dun really like the idea on putting too much equipment.
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post Jun 5 2013, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 5 2013, 03:31 PM)
same here..probably can put a few but light equipment on soldier and rifle...bulky like that, surely hinder movement of soldier coming and going inside building...
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Currently waiting google glass application to be use in military.
not a new idea, in fact the tech come from military now going into the commercial.
google just make it better in design and more ergonomic sensible.


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post Jun 5 2013, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 5 2013, 03:37 PM)
Once saw at DSA 2010, they exhibit our own Future Combat Soldier system, not bulky...what happened to it?
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last time i heard it still not ready yet.
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post Jun 6 2013, 02:28 AM

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post Jun 30 2013, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jun 29 2013, 10:26 PM)
i find their procurement of leos and apaches a bit strange.
given their geographical layout (lots of islands and stretched out) they should put priority on navy/marine/coastal defense.

leos limited use in rural areas; apaches are effectively tank-killers - but kill what?
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The indonesia apche deal was not a good 1.
Too expensive.
However procuring a attack heli will give them a very good cas platform.
The sulu incident in ld shown we need attack heli support.
But theb again idon should have focus on increase their hind fleet instead.

As for leo, it was definitely a good deal.
But the question still on how are they going to utilize it to suit their environment.
If the leo were able to work well then it just a waste of fund even it were cheap.
I would love to see how are they going to transport those leos from island to island if leos service is require.
Marder tank perhaps able to shed some light in our question.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 30 2013, 12:11 PM)
for Year 2013 price already at that level with so many electronic improvement ,and price increase more than 40 million perunit....
South Korea buy 36 Apache AH-64E (block 3)with 1.6 billion, around 44 million per-unit (include maintanance, missile, traning etc... )
event Tiger packages also more than 40m for 2013 (HAD version)

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsbo...ers-south-korea
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Sk buy 36 unit for 1.6b but indon buy 8 units for 1.4bil
Expensive or not you judge it.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 30 2013, 10:43 AM)
Indonesia is currently building 3 unit LST specially built to carry the Leo 2's with the recently keel laying of the 3rd LST. Each LST could carry 10 Leo 2's + 2 supporting vehicle. With the completion of the 3 LST then TNI-AL have the capability to transport & move 30 units Leo 2's to any Indonesian port of destination.

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And for the Apaches. according to the article that TNI-AD is planning to form an Apache Squadron my guess is that it will not be 8 units as previous reported but is negotiating for a full squadron for maybe 16 - 18 units with a combination of Block III (Longbow) & Block II or at least 12 units of Apaches.
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I'm still not convince with the effectiveness of the lst.
10 units dat small amount. Should build a bigger ship.
As for the apache we have to wait the whole deal conclude if the deals is still that expensive indon would be better off going for alternatives heli.
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post Jun 30 2013, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 30 2013, 12:59 PM)
Why not LST? Here is the Greek Jason Class LST carrying Leo 2A6 HEL.

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According some reports TNI-AD second choice is the AH-IZ Zulu as an alternative.
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I mean they shoul build a larger ship to carry more leos.
10units seem to be......
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 4 2013, 01:48 PM)
yeah..already knew that..but 6 ships is still not enuff and only arrived in 2016-2017 (if i'm not mistaken la)..with no MRSS..the jet programme is still delayed, got no money to purchase..but m'sia seems keen for the lease programme offered by Gripen..personally didn't like gripen..inferior to rafale and other mrca..av8 is good though..what rumoured colt weapon? as far as i know, only 10 000 Colt M4 purchased several years before, and some CM901s for Lahad Datu operatives..
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The money to purchase migs replacement is there.
They have to wait for mkm barter trade contract to end.
Which means 2014. Lots of us did not aware of its.
The problem for tudm is how they are going to split their budget to procure mmrca, aew and mpa.
Tudm been allocates rm10bil in rmk.


Gripen getting the deals is unlikely. Unless the government going for two fighter. Lease gripen while waiting for the new aircraft to be deliver. But then again it would be tough to see these fit into the budget
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QUOTE(souless223 @ Jul 4 2013, 01:39 PM)
we purchased 6 lcs ships recently
we still deciding on which aircraft to replace migs 29 with
av8 procurement
a400m procurement
rumored colt weopen procurement
malaysia been spending too
just that we dont share procurement publicly as much as other nation would

but i want malaysia to invest more in navy
give them some single jet engine fighter like f16 or something
at least 12 4 peninsular 8 borneo.
several more frigates maybe 2 more for borneo 2 more for semenanjung
helis are a must also

but mostly concentrate on tldm biggrin.gif
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There are several thing i hope the government to procure.
Buy at least 8 samudera class with patrol config and having fire scouts onboards
More cb90s and uav is needed in sabah.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 4 2013, 02:39 PM)
right now, the leased deal is very likely!
prolly the replacement for the F5E and Hawk in the future!
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Mida is having a good chat with boieng. brows.gif
Something to do with mmrca offset.
There are lots of thing going on behind.
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QUOTE(souless223 @ Jul 4 2013, 02:52 PM)
how much u think that would cost?
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Less than usd1bil

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Jul 4 2013, 03:35 PM)
interesting

why ATM need to wait for that?
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I assume the mindef going for conservative budget.
Mindef would not pick up financial burden in future budget
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post Jul 5 2013, 03:35 PM

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Let heats up bit.
Our fac will be replace by gumdoksuri class.
Our mig replacements will be announce late2013 or 2014.
We will finally highly capable mpa.
We will have aew.
Hopefully Sgpv will be equp with nsm and essm.
Army will be start recieving av8 next years. Deftech finally enter low production rates by end of these years.
A dissapointing landrover defender replacement.
Esscom and esszone shopping list yet to be fully announce.
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post Jul 5 2013, 03:42 PM

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It will take some time and lots of money.
We focusing on moving towards fibau ops for several years now.
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jul 5 2013, 11:42 AM)
Govt should have bought that place outright, where can develop it as FIBUA training centre. Then we can get rid of that 'jungle-capable only' tag
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post Jul 5 2013, 03:59 PM

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Should have replace wit vamtac
Deftech or naza is more than capable of manufacture it in large scale.
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jul 5 2013, 03:44 PM)
them defender replacement (whatitsname?) wasn't that bad. sure it looks like a normal pickup truck(hell it is  a pickup truck) but the maintainance cost is lower and it can what defender do right now for the army. local made summore.

if we still need foreign company to suppy something as mundane as light 4x4 utility vehicle memang sengal la
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post Jul 5 2013, 04:14 PM

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Gumdoksuri class is a small 200tons pv can rempit 40knots

Wester 4x4 sigh.
Just mindfark they did not go for vamtac.
I dun jelly indon pindad. But i jelly with australia defender replacement
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jul 5 2013, 04:15 PM)
thats what happens when theres intereferance from someone close to leadership..
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There lots issue with our politic landscape.
Well i rather not talk too much that.

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