ICE never ends...

Pioneer 9650

Alpine SPX-F17T 3-way Speakers (some said it's Alpine #F1 Series) powered by a/d/s P450.2

12 JLW3v1 4ohm DVC (sudah pecah) powered by Alpine V12 MRD-M605 Class D monoblock

hmm... the 3-way spks' tweeters r now wif the A pillar... moving it to the bottom along around the mid.. it sounds like i have 2 identical singers singing at the same time which is on the dashboard and around the leg room rite now.. ha! ha!

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jun 15 2007, 08:14 PM


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how much overall did you spent on the overall work?

did you get the bracket for the headunit?

I don't see anything special about your ICE bro

nice dude... how much total??

why dun have angle management (not anger management)for ur tweeter ?
wasted wasted

edit: typo

This post has been edited by driftmeister: Apr 22 2006, 04:12 PM

how much is the overall installation?

nicely done.. i like it....

wanna ask her... the HU bracket is to take off the ori HU fromthe dash and install the bracket then the after market HU izzit? cuz from wut i see... i dun see any ori HU...

cheers...

eerr... pay a bit extra for a better system/better finishing..

ur tweeter is highly directional.. and the way it face will all go to ur dash board..

yup, it's a wasted if the tweet put like tat...maybe the owner like it this way..but to me, it's just wasted..i like direct face the tweet then turn the tweet soft a bit..so the tweet wont too loud..

wow... kokie....

the sound all currently on the dashboard larhh... hmm..

everything around rm5-6k larhh..
not inlcuding the time i spent @ the shop..

Your tweeter should be adjusted!

But have you spent on sound proof ?
Because you ICE system quite good but install in Malaysia car .. sound may lost a lot..

yarh... next project would b sound proof.. bcz whenever i ON it loud, the door's steel will vibrate. this is bcz the height and width of the door is quite wide.. o too big piece. will c how and where offers me the best price larhh...
most probably kf audio (jln ipoh)..

really wasted...ur tweeter in wrong position ( just my 2 cents ) and u dont have the right sound flow~

i will take pic some of my tweeters n stuff to share with u guys one day~

im using focal too hehehh~ im using is polyglass model (2 twt 2 spk 2 xover)

damn my car now full of ice.... *darn*

currently im having is :- ( just sharing )

Front : Pentagon Set ( 2 twt 2 spk 2 xover )
Back : Focal Polyglass ( 2 twt 2 spk 2 xover )
powered by 4 channel amp with fan ( knoock brand japan )
Boot : 12" Kicker Solo Baric L7 + Kicker KX 500 2 Ch amp

He MattChin .... how much did u spend on the custom made holes for ur doors ? How long did u wait for the doors ?

base on my experience. a tweeter even if its tilted towrds passenger also no use. the gap between the tweeter and mid bass are to great or too much. a passive crossover is design where the mid and tweeters are together u will get some time lost there correct me if wrong

this is why the active crossover shud be install
to overlap the missing freq

This post has been edited by driftmeister: May 16 2006, 09:41 AM

me too.. really...

front 6" kick looks great, but the tweet spoil ur ICE all over!

that 'tiang gol' has a small 'side' facing driver/co-driver why dun u ask the installer to cut a hole there and use tune-up, small tweeters instead ?(like soundstream, dump ur ori comp tweet )

EDIT: owh.. its focal and eclipse.. nvm then... use back ur ori tweet



*and what is that 'hole' looking thingy? accidently made by u?
*come join us @ myviclub's TT...(weekly)... u'll see a whole bunch <40-50> ICE'd myvi

This post has been edited by pokju: May 16 2006, 01:53 PM

yarhh.. correct..
i was recommended 2 get a HU wif TA (time allignment) so tat the sound would have it's place..

it's not the hole larhh fren..
it's the glue...

there are no time delay adjustment between the tweeter and the mid bass. it only has time delay adjustment for Left or right Component or channel. same goes to electronic crossover. correct me if wrong

got la
but need 3 way full active HU lo

i'm using 1 rite now. but i dont seem to see any time correction for Hf and Mid Frequency . maybe i'm using it as front rear sub and not hi mid low

oh
front rear dun have 1
need to switch to hi mid low

wah..cool ICE sak on..u tha man muahahahaha

wondering y i don see any 2nd hand ALPINE 7998.. ha! ha! great player.. pure deck..

Got.. Recently a 2 years old 7990 went for 3.5K odd...

7998R? Some says it is raw. I dont know. Havent try it before. Not many people use I guess. Many prefer Alpine high end series like the 9855, 9835... Maybe affordability kua

9855.. 9835.. not pure deck larhh..

7998r is pure copper deck like the eclipse 8061..
alpine's HU looks better than eclipse a lot..
like land and sky..
ha! ha! stupid camparison..

7990 is toooo high end liao..
burr-brown embedded.. clean and clear sound output.. (natural sound)

Yes, they are not pure deck. But still works fine as a good HU.

The 7990? Well..The 7998 is an extension of the 7990 but of course, the 7990 is so powerful that, you dont really need an amp to push the components you mate it with.

I tried a 7990 with Z15M. Excellent. And the setup is not even hooked up on any amp.

blow water ah? alpine 7990 where got internal amp? sigh...

lol...woot
pwned

I blow water anot, you decide. All I can say is, you gotta listen to the 7990 + Z15M to know whether I blow anot...

BTW, the whole system was in a F1 demo car. The 7990 was hooked up to the processor. But the processor was taken out. So the 7990 was hooked up directly to the Z15M...

This post has been edited by neo79: May 22 2006, 10:29 AM

no internal amp how to power a component le? RCA direct to component?
they took out the processor and connect direct to the amp kua???

p4wned so much...

w00t!

ha! ha!..
sooner or later our car is goinna run by water & not petrol..

Guys,

Went to the demo car, ripped out the HU... Actually got RCA to amp... Aiyooo.. Sibeh malu...

Anyway, sorry for misinformation.. Was told it was running ampless

no prob.. dude..

super duper high end players don't come wif any internal amplifier normally...

it's ok dude...many ppl dun know about tat...i haven had a chance to look ar an ampless hu..erm, anyone got wanna let me see see? lolz

quite a number of HU is ampless mah
just to name a few

eclipse - 8061, 8051, 8454
alpine - 7990, 7998
clarion - D2, 9255
denon/rf - z1
macintosh - 406
pioneer - p9 (9650,8650 not sure)

This post has been edited by driftmeister: May 24 2006, 05:45 PM

I've listened 2 a clarion D2 b4 but not P9..

actually which would u choose..

clarion HX-D2 comes wif a "voltage" related stuff

pioneer p9 comes wif a sound processor

which would u bros really choose ah?

hey mattchin ... how much did you spend for you eclipse 5 series head unit ?

rm900+-..

can't remember..

bear in mind tat the internal crossover has set to a certain hz.. not sure wat it was liao..

now "heart move move" wanna change liao
hehehehe

Matt,

Iam an Alpine freak.. No question ask!

So the answer will be either 7998 or 7990. Now Iam thinking of changing my 9835.. Hahaha...

i was an alpine freak as well..
but after auditing super ICE cars..
there is no more point for me 2 stay wif alpine..

btw.. each HU has it own charateristic.. make sure it matches wif ur amp.

like my mvi here.. eclipse delivers a natural sound (said by SIFUs) and my a/d/s amp gives a little bit of warm sound.. focal delivers more towards high pitch noise (high trebel)..

i dono how 2 say this.. but they r a very good match..

Yeah, thats very true. I dont think I will be upgrading for awhile. Cos next upgrade would be totally active or playing those exotic names like Seas, Rainbow.. Kenot tahan the price

Also Iam one who is malas to tune...

Currently my setup is running fine, only maybe next step is to get another amp to tri amp...

seas lotus reference lai~~~~~
wooohooooohooo

wondering y... no more CDT fans liao..

i remembered 1 o 2 years back... all forummers were so into it..

still remember my fren installed wif CDT eurosport..
ha! ha! (most dissapointing speakers for tat year)..

there's always a trend la
haha

wondering which brand has taken the place for CDT liao..

now is 3 way fever

3 ways... Very da troublesome... kick panel... but its more enjoyable than 2 ways...

no need kick panel also can mah
use skateboard mah can lo

wah.. skateboard also can become a kick panel.. GENG!!

fui yoh!!

Hahaha... WHen they cut my kick panel that time... Damn sakit hati... Hahaha, now gotta look for Kelisa kick panel liao.. AIyooooo....

hmmm... thinking to make it run active..

"heart big heart small".. (considering)...

Someone tell me...play 3 way no that easy le..
need system can support 3 way... HU, Amp & Speaker..+ Positioning also

HU AMP SPEAKER
no big deal la

the biggest headache is tuning and positioning

I hear a Sifu say the position of the mid speaker is the most headache...
Tuning not a problem for him...

all also problem..

but the biggest problem of all is $$$$$$$$
(except for rich man.. )

Yes, in 3 way, one of the most headache part is positioning of the mid. Me and my buddies were cracking our heads on where to mount my 5.25" midbass. Since Kelisa and most car dont have much space we finally(with all da compromis) decided to mount it at an angle at the kick panel shooting towards the gearknob. So far so good. Did lots of discussion with my regular haunt kaki, they all said too many factors to jaga... But with my current positioning, can compromise abit loh... I think bang bang 3/4 years go back 2 ways la.. Easy...

Tiuning? Till now kena *** more than kena tuned... Hahaha.. Still tuning the setup.. Headache.

BTW, any advice?

change back to 2 way
my previous 3 way setup was so screw up until i sell it cheap cheap

but my bro's 3 way is doing fine
his mid range and tweeter are on A pillar
while mid bass sits inside door panel
so far so good

but active for 3 way is another headache
i use to tune tune a lot with his car
but end up play back passives
sounds so much better

Driftmeister,

Yeash, thats one reason I will go back to 2 way after this set shows it age. I dont wanna go active.. Hahah, I know a guy who is running 3 active and been tuning since 3 years ago!

find 1 sifu from either 1

-kf audio
-sound quest
(both IASCA competition super winner)

make sure pocket got enuff $$$ then
it's done
SIMPLE!!

KF? Lots of hype over this place and seen some of their cars. Not bad. But I dont frequent them so asking him to tune sure cost a bomb... Hahah

Sound Quest's Jerry? Met him once. Nice chap... Maybe I pop by over to SQ and see what he thinks... Hehehe...

sound Quest very nice service 1.. once u installed things from them.. they'll keep u update for the latest ICE products...

he!he!he!... pouring poison

Hey! ur eclipse CD-5425 comes with crossover right? u can run it active immediately after u add another 2 channel amp for ur sub

yes.. it's true tat the 5425 comes wif crossover but the freQ range r all set aledi.. so.. no point.. there r times i regreted getting this HU

nvm lor... sell it to me. i thought of buying 5415 for RM650 at ACP

ACP trading? uuuh.. they still selling CDT there?
hmm... i'll sell it but not so soon.. maybe in 3 months time.. he! he!..
seriously forward 2 upgrade my HU...

hehe... dont forget to PM me whenever u feel like selling it.

zam,

poison him la~!

haha... i cannot poison anyone la... in fact im still using stock HU... mattchin, hows ur sound staging? was it tuned properly? no matter what brand ure using, tuning is still the most important and exciting part in ICE. Does ur sub match ur mid?

Hello, i just wanna give my opinion on the tweeters position. I think its based on ppl's preferences. As long as u don't point ur tweeters facing the windscreen its ok. Some ppl like it "crossfire" way. Some ppl dont like the tweeter sound go directly to the passenger's ear. So what they do is they face the tweeters opposite each others. Well please correct me if im wrong. I'm a nooB in ICE. cheers

Matt! one more question. Ur a/d/s P450.2 (bridged) is for ur sub or mid? that is a for channel amp right? if it does, then run it active la. If u dont have a crossover its still fine. Use ur passive crossover for mid and straight to amp for ur tweeter.

my p450.2 is for my front speakers bcz a/d/s produces a very good sound quality. i'm currently using 50x2 for my focal and the other 50x2 i left it empty. i know it's a waste bcz if i bridged it the sound is very messy although it is producing 150x2 after i briged.

regarding running active.. it's still in my mind bcz not enough dough($$$).. i would prefer the whole thing run active rather than u suggested the semi active HE! HE! i would prefer my ICE installer 2 choose their own preffered crossover bcz the tuning will definately done by them.

hmm.. u r driving a MYVI rite? have u notice anything about the distance between the mid and tweeter? it is quite a distance if 2 compare wif other cars. it is highly recomended 2 use a HU wif TA(time allignment) to do the staging. no matter if u want it 2 b center o the driver.. i ask myself b4 getting this HU.. do i really know how 2 hear the staging nor imaging..? my answer would b.. dono bcz once u on it LOUD.. music is all around the car..

regarding the match between my mid and woofer.. hmm.. thanks 2 my installer's tuning.. he did it well and i'm satisfied.. wif an adjustment in my avionix (2channel) amp the woofer delivers wat i wanted. bear in mind tat it is better for an amp 2 control the woofer rather than the woofer 2 control the amp.
there r ppl who don like 2 spend the money for their woofer's amp.. and they onli focus on the woofer itself..

my conclusion for a woofer is
rm500's woofer=rm1000's amp
500rms's woofer=1000rms amp (700rms also can larhh )

i've paid a lot of tution fees for ICE liao.. i learn 2 minimize the cost for the best result.

No matter how u ICE system is, tuning the most important part. If ur installer did a good job. Congratulation. Full external XO just cost around 300++

the crossover.. i'll let my installer to determine.. tat's y gathering the dough..

juz changed my woofer's amp from AVIONIXX to the new ALPINE V12 monoblock... having a great control of my woofer now.. for the amp.. underated amp

can i replace the oem rear speaker wif mid bass speaker..?
i jus hope 2 get more bass than the oem speaker..
wil the speaker fit well..?

i think i can't help u wif this.. cz i dono the size of the rear speakers.. cz i haf abandoned them.. he! he

haf u try 2 gain the bass settings wif ur current HeadUnit? seriously.. i don think ur HeadUnit can gif u lots of power 2 drive the mid...

yes u can replace..but u will end up a lousier sound produced...already tried...(change to better spkt hen stock) this is because the hu is totally under powered even for it's stock spk...i can tell u i can make ur stock spk perform better after add in an amp..

ori rear spk size is 6.5" betamek paper cone. very thin also..

thx 4 u guys comment..
so.. i think i wont touch it at all edi..
coz once 1 touch.. sure hav 2 waste few k in it..

just see your requirement loh...
If need sound more clear n loud a bit... 1k enough...

This setup cost RM5-6K ???? Izzit too expensive????

this depends.. some 1 who drives a kancil willing to spend rm20k juz for the ICE setup.. and some who drives a lexus is not willing to spend rm1 for their ICE..

dam*!!!

my eclipse's player is lockeD!!!!

Why locked?

ESN security..

my KEY CD spoiled.. i think.. sigh...

wahh .....u use key cd ??....y lar....no point locking your cd player leh ...even if its lock a thief wont know it ....they will still steal it but most of d thief dotn steal eclipse ....its hard for them to let it go in d black market ......

y not we have a Lowyat.net TT one day ??....

i dono how i got this KEY CD function.. some1 messed wif my player.. now they said need 2 send the SN to japan and ask for the unlock code.. dono is this too powerful o what..

lowyat TT.. u better gather ppl 1st..

someone messeed with ur player and u dunno why u got the esn turn on? then how u know ur key cd spoil while u dunno which is the key cd?

ha! ha!.. did i say key cd spoilt? i think i mentioned it wrongly.. grammatically wrong liao..

juz that it's lock.. some1 messed wif it.. now wif cobra m'sia.. sigh

mattchin ....do u have a bro who plays ice too???...just wondering cos i have seen your car somewhere before ....hmpppp

i dont know who will come to d TT .....dont quite know who r d ICE member in this forum .....havent been playing ICE for a long time liow ......rusty already ....

Abang Matchin,borrow thread ya.At present I'm deciding to upgrade my MYVI's sound system.So,which component upgrade will be the most effective?HU or amp?I was thinking of changing the amp only coz i don't wanna spoil the dashboard looks.

This post has been edited by D_Y2k.4^: Sep 17 2006, 12:36 AM

for best results, get
HU + Amp + Speakers

step by step
upgrade from descending

Let's say if i put up only amp and speakers,will that be enough if I'm I'm looking for balanced sounding sound?What amp will you guys suggest with the budget of up to RM1.2k?I don;t really need a high powered one.Eclipse?Focal?Alpine?Rockfort?And will a mono amp be adequate?

This post has been edited by D_Y2k.4^: Sep 17 2006, 12:43 AM

You put amp & speaker, Component speaker or SUbwoofer?
if component speaker, you don't need mono amp..but if subwoofer you really need it.

ha! ha!.. ok.. let me tell u the story of my ICE starting point wif myvi..
long long time ago, (which is a year ago)

my 1st step was installing the FOCAL component speakers.. it was powered by the HU.. please bear in mind that the front myvi door doesn't come wif any speaker space.. so i custom made the door panel juz to fit in the speakers and it cost me rm400 (juz the fiber work door panel itself)

then my 2nd step was installing the a/d/s and JL woofer.. the sound was brighten up and i was so so so happy..

3rd was the ECLIPSE HU and HU panel.. and the sound was "fui yoh"!!! it was like live performance inside my car.. (juz j/k but it do jazz up the music a lot)

recently i added a monoblock 2 whack the woofer.. b4 i added in the monoblock, there was this 2 channel amp which was quite powerful but the poor thing is that it was overheated and it failed me juz bcz it ain't 2 ohm stable amp.. now wif this new alpine monoblock.. it is doin great!

2 things now i'm lack wif is running the whole system in active and a time allignment HU...

to simplify it..
1st FOCAL access powered by stock HU
2nd a/d/s amp and JL woofer
3rd HU
4th monoblock for JL
5th coming soon...