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qazhang
post Mar 9 2016, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(rexus @ Mar 8 2016, 10:26 PM)
what are some criminal law firms in KL?
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Karpal Singh & Co
Gobind Singh Deo & Co
Sivananthan
Shafee & Co
SHUKOR BALJIT & PARTNERS
Teh Poh Teik. & Co

these are the firms that i have had the privilege of seeing their distinguished members in action in court. notworthy.gif

and i take pride in recommending them to my fellow peers. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Do take note that, some of these lawyers are authors who have co-authored practitioner's text such as Dr. Bashir Mallal's Mallal's Criminal Procedure, criminal law subject convener for CLP, lecturers both in private and at public institutions, and have also published their own textbooks on criminal procedure and practice.

And they are really good at what they do.

#Note: Don't insult your own intelligence and -ours too - by posting 'one liner' question and expect to be spoon fed .

Elaborate more. what are your future plans? Do intend to start your own practice? You are a law student/ intern/ chambee/ associate?

what would you like to specialise in (habeas corpus, nisi prius, PIL, HR, admin. law, police investigative powers) or intend a general practice? - because the expertise of the lawyers vary from one field to another. Some of the lawyers are really good cross-examiners and that makes them really good trial lawyers. While the rest, with their sharp wit makes them an excellent choice for appellate cases.

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qazhang
post Mar 9 2016, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(rexus @ Mar 9 2016, 12:42 PM)
First of all thank you for your helpful insight and I apologize for the sloppiness of my question.

I am one test away from chambering but still have no idea which area interests me the most. What I have in mind is to get a taste of every area during my pupillage so that I can find out what interests me and would like to join a firm that provide services on criminal & civil matters so that I could get more exposure. 

Once again thanks for taking your time to reply me.
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Quick questions:
Are you working at the moment (at a law firm/legal internship)?
If you do? What sort of brief do they handle?

If you haven't,
Sign up for a short internship with big law firms (especially the ones with more than 3 dept. - dispute resolution, commercial and corporate, matrimonial&family and etc.).
Make a request to them that you would like to be placed on an interdepartmental rotation.

Advantages:
You get to experience corporate side of the law. Your internship is short, hence if you dont like it, you are not stuck in there indefinitely. If you happened to enjoy the work and made good impressions to the partners, prolly they might offer sponsorship for your CLP/ offer you a place at their firm.

If you are someone who is adventurous and you are already seeing yourself in court arguing before a judge and cross-examining witnesses and defending the accused.
Then criminal defense litigation is your field.

If you are just starting off, i would recommend you to join a senior lawyer's firm. Senior lawyer, as in literally someone who has been practicing law for a very long time. A very senior lawyer would have gained a lot experience, wisdom and a large network of clientele. Since he/she is far advanced in the profession, he would be happy to teach you anything about the trade. And they take their work very seriously and some might not tolerate petty (stupid) mistakes. They've got a reputation to maintain and expect you to be so too.

There is no hard and fast rule for your practice. If you decide to opt for one over the other, you can always switch the lane.

Important to remember:
When you start chambering, please bear in mind that you are not at your prospective firm to LEARN ONLY (nobody pays you to learn)! You are there to learn and to work for your prospective employer at the same time.

Sometimes, experiences can be intimidating, especially when you let your boss or supervisor know that you don't know how to make copies or do a search. Quite often, you are being told, "I thought you supposed to know all these."" You didn't learn in school?!?"

Fear not! Take all the criticisms in your stride and learn to become a better lawyer. It is the gain of knowledge and experience that counts!

Good luck!




qazhang
post Mar 22 2016, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(wordsmart @ Mar 21 2016, 10:09 PM)
I would like to ask some questions about skills a lawyer should possess.

What are the 'basic skills' (in general) employers expect their law employees to have? For example, besides basic knowledge in Microsoft Doc and Power Point, what are the other ICT or computer skills  we need to possess?

Besides critical thinking skills, self-research, ability to articulate our ideas clearly(oral and written) and  distilling the key points, what are the key skills or values we need to have as lawyers? I understand different fields in law might require different skills. It would be good if you guys could give some insights on this too. Thanks!  Hope to hear from you soon.
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If you just started working at a firm, learn how to operate a coffee-machine. Never leave the pot empty. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Copier / Fax Machine: This is not taught in law school. brows.gif

Microsoft Word,
You must have basic knowledge of how to edit/formatting your document. 'Indent', 'Spacing', etc.

Power Point: laugh.gif

Your research skills using the law databases such as LexisNexis is important too.
(it helps you to save a lot of time if you know how to find what you need).

Critical Thinking: I don't know how one can develop this if you dont have fundamental grasp over the law.
You must know the law basics really well.

Articulating: Communication skills, when you are liaising with your client, making submissions in court (brevity is the key). http://www.npr.org/2012/07/14/156720829/wi...-way-with-words

Distilling: Your mastery over the English language must be good. (e.g Winston Churchill). Learn how to speed read.

Advocacy: If you are not born with it, fake it 'till you make it. (This is what produces the creme de le creme. )
The Art of Cross Examination by Francis Wellman, the Bible of a TRIAL LAWYER ( http://www.gutenberg.org/files/40781/40781-h/40781-h.htm )

These are all that I can think of ATM.

Bonus: https://ia800504.us.archive.org/27/items/se...fadvo00parr.pdf

7 Lamps of Advocacy by Abbott Parry

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qazhang
post Mar 22 2016, 11:21 PM

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qazhang
post Sep 22 2019, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(caihong @ Jul 9 2019, 10:02 PM)
Hi all. Im an accountant and few years back i actually passed my uol llb. While i have made my decision to stay i  finance industry, i felt like probably it is times for me to also study clp since my work life now is more menageable.

My question is, assuming i pass the clp, must i attend pupilage for 9 months immediately, or the 9 months training can be of anytime? Im currently just intent to evaluate the option that i have although i do not foresee that i will be practising law in near future. Dont think i will be so enthu to pursue any further study once i hit 30 years old.
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CLP exams are good for life. You can do pupillage at any time you'd like. As long as you meet the statutory requirements, you're good to file your petition.
qazhang
post Sep 22 2019, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(JMoo1 @ Feb 18 2019, 01:15 PM)
Actually CLP divided into how many exams? If comditional pass then just need to retake that failed subjects only or what? Did your friend passed already after retake?

9 subjects. 5 papers. 1 sitting over the period of two weeks in July / August.

Pass all: can proceed to do pupillage
Failed 1: Allowed to resit in November for that paper only. (max 3 resit attempts)
Failed 2 or more: Resit all 5 papers in the following year again. (maximum 3 resit attempts)


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