guys, am planning on getting a macbook. but i need it to run vista badly. i'm a mac user, i mean i was till my PB got stolen and i know that even with the latest version of Office for MAC, some stuff just don't work well. E.g. when you copy some stuff from the net, you cannot get any formatting together (in Excel), alignment goes out in PowerPoint and so on. Besides, some programs I need to run don't support Windows.

What do you guys think? Shall i get it now during the PC Fair as the deal is really good or shall I wait till someone installs Vista on his/her MB?

i don't think so you can. oem software are meant for the particular computer. if you try to install it will detect the hardware you are using...if it does not match, then it won't install..correct me if i am wrong.

thanks supafreak, but i do remember when i wanted to install nero oem that came with my pc on my win laptop, it could not install coz it detected a diff hardware....

thanks lokgotz and supafreak. a word of advice. i am a mac and windows user. i shall give you unbiased opinions.

why i need/like windows :

- i can do programming, if ur an IT student, this is important
- some softwares are easier to obtain
- most people use it, there are times when we share files and so on. some files such as powerpoint files and excel files just don't work well with office for mac


why i like/need mac :

- peace of mind
- intuitive interface
- cool functions
- can do basic stuff i need to
- easy networking

tough i love macs, i there are some stuff why i hate em :

- recent quality problems
- lappies get hot fast

- there is no such thing as 100% compatibility with windows, people who claim that, esp. apple store staff are just bullshitting and lieing to you.

i have used it, i know.

powerpoint presentations - sometimes the alignments go out, pics don't turn up well, interface is old, ala powerpoint 2000 for windows.

excel - when you copy and paste stuff from the net, formatting does not appear well, minor compatibility problems when opened in excel for windows.

word - some pics don't open well, minor alignment problems that occurs at times.

you have to individually open each picture to view them full screen, not like in windows where you can go back and forth without the need to open another picture.

anyhows, the fact is windows is still dominant, we still need it as we need to interchange files and so on. boot camp is still beta. macbooks might not be able to run vista well as they come with not too good graphics card.

i enjoyed my mac experience. i do hope apple comes out with macbooks with decent graphics card to run vista. leopard will be great. they still have not let out their top secret about leopard yet.

no you don't get my point do you, of course we have keynote which is great. but when you come about sharing your presentations thats when u will realise it, am sure you know NOT everyone has a MAC and when you do a presentation in windows..... btw, thanks for teaching me that pic thinggy.

btw, anyone knows how to delete the .trashes folder from your removable hard disk when u plug into windows after using it on a mac. there is a software i found last time, but some friend of mine accidentally deleted it while playing with it and i never knew abt it, went and cleared the trash. dun quite remember the name...will try googling when i have the time and post it here.

This post has been edited by n20nine: Aug 14 2006, 09:07 PM

yea but let someone run windows vista on macbook before i buy it so i can see the benchmarks etc. yea, pirated stuff are easy to get, just that some particular software that does certain things...they might not be available/created in the first place.

yea i know u can parallels to do that.

u mac fanatics are at times just too much/silly. up to me what i say, this is a public forum, dun act childish telling me to dump so and so and go for this and that. up to me, who are you to tell me? NO ONE! get it! face it, nothing is perfect, mac is not perfect...of course is good and so on, but not perfect, even windows is good, but not perfect.

i will still be using a mac and windows too.

say what u want i dun care, some facts can't be changed.

edit : sorry if i sound harsh, i am just expressing my views. IMHO, Macs are more than excellent and i am loving every minute of my mac experience. just that there are some things that i am not happy about, feynman asked for some opinions so i just gave him my views. you gotta admit that it is not perfect, coz it really is not, and there is no such thing that it is perfect. Don't simply bash Win too, of course it has its problems and all, but then again 90% of the world is using it, it is good in a way, tell me if Windows is so bad, how come 90% of the world is using it? If you say Mac's are expensive, Mac's are getting cheaper these days. Lack of support, well there are good retail stores coming up, lack of marketing - well, yes in malaysia, then again how much can it boost the percentage?

dun get me wrong, apple is a great company and they make good stuff. if ur an IT student and planning to a get a mac laptop, it depends..if ur doing a lot of programming, get a Windows laptop instead and perhaps a Mac Mini. Remember Boot Camp is beta, tough the final version shud be out with Leopard.

I just booked a MacBook. Got the black version, gonna bump it up to 2GB soon.

This post has been edited by n20nine: Aug 15 2006, 02:09 PM

i think apple sells them. try checking your local apple store...

btw, shanks where are you from? you can try john : 2282591 he works in CG computers (the company who is taking care of apple stores in penang area) i am sure you can arrange something, maybe he can ship it or something to you if you need it urgently.

edit : removed his hp no, and replaced with his office no, if you want his hp no, pls PM me. thanks.

This post has been edited by n20nine: Aug 18 2006, 11:51 PM

sure, sure vandetta we can meet up someday i'm in pg, i suppose ur in KL, rite? PM me if you ever wanna discuss anything. btw, i was told that we can increase the VRAM in the MB to 224MB. Anyone tried this? Decided to take the MB as I can switch between MAC OS & Win. BTW, I postponed my unit till Leopard comes out, the guy in the store adviced me, i think i will take that as I spent 500 bucks on Tiger just few months after I got my PB so I would rather wait few months to save that money.

wow, thats a long post mate. you did mention that it 90% of the world uses Win coz it is a standard. As far as i can remember, over the years, Apple has always been trying their very very best to make file sharing and hardware sharing as compatible. I must say that they should be credited for it as I can use so many hardware without problems. Only thing is when it comes to certain apps like Excel and PPT it is not that close yet. All I'm complaining is that most importantly they should make sure that alignments don't run, i am sure other stuff e.g. animations in PPT can wait, tough they are mostly available in MAC's PPT. Things like that are kinda annoying at times coz if u have a long slide show, u gotta go thru them one by one to make sure they're good as it should be before presenting it in front of an audience, you would not want to mess it up after spending so much time creating it, i think you understand that. I find myself using my Dell laptop to do presentations nowadays as it can be tedious to go thru the whole thing to make sure it works excellently. Also, like I said, I do not know why, but some pics turn up distorted when you insert them in Word when they're not supposed to. Also, in Excel when you copy something off the net, the formatting does not follow.

These kind of things put you off, esp. when you use them very very often. Those are the areas they need to fine tune, they're close there, but just not there yet.

Since you can do programming on a MAC, I think most of my probs are solved. Anyways, final release of Boot Camp will be out with Leopard, or we still have got Parallels, anyways..

Just imagine, if only they upgrade the MB's processor to Core 2 Duo and incl. a 128MB g/card, it would be awesome, i guess i shall camp out of the store to get mine when they release it...only if they do. Newayz, wei posted a thread that on August 7 i think there will be a product release..time will tell.

gotta get back to doing my research work..You can reply me via PM, i think it is more proper as this discussion is starting to sway off the topic of this thread.

gtg, till then...

Exactly dude, playing with a friend/relative's MB or MBP just gets you more and more tempted. But, we, as "smart" consumers shall wait till the release of Leopard, saves us 500 bucks which we can use for RAM upgrades.

Yes, a dedicated graphics card will be good, 128MB will be good enough. They can throw in a 256MB for the 15" MBP and 512MB for the 17" MBP. In the world of Win notebooks, components are pretty cheap, i guess that's why you get very decent specs for just RM 4K.

Someone in Dell told me that every week, they scout around for the cheapest component of certain specs from different manufacturers who eventually keep reducing their prices because of stiff competition. Then again, their build quality is unmatched with Apple's. This, even a kid can differentiate. My Latitude D410's build is like a plastic toy. It's so flimsy and the material is so bad that i've already got scratches on it.

Till then..cheers

well, that is just up to them. probably coz your pay so less for better specs? depends on the individual.

artyca, nie to hear

well, RAM issues, so far I have not had any from my previous exp with my PB. Just as long as you get one from a reputable manufacturer..i will do. and it is much cheaper than getting it from Apple. My local Apple store are selling RAMs not sourced from Apple, but from reputable manufacturers, and they are cheaper.

Not sure about MB/MBP, as I have not got mine yet, but i guess should not be a problem...

well some rumors claim that it will be out during the paris expo...but we never know..only time will tell, after all apple is a company that keeps good secrets...

good for you, i am hoping that they will update their macbooks too as i am planning on getting them mainly due to its portability. size is important to me. also, a post at www.tuaw.com linked to a blog where this guy successfully runned vista with aero(all the eye-candy) without any problems. So, am looking forward to a Core 2 Duo MacBook with Leopard and 2GB of RAM

yup, e MBP is worth every penny considering it's good specs. am sure you will love it. the MB to is very good, in fact adequate for i guess the average consumer, unless ur a pro designer or video editor.

macbook is good enough unless you are a pro video or photo editor. about the macbook ram, gmail..the macbook supports 2gb ram so you can have one stick of 1gb ram, correct me if i am wrong.

all, if not most of apple hardware's are from china.

fyi, vista running on a macbook :

http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/2006/0...dows-vista.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/iainb/2288181...pool-macintosh/
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?t...art=15&tstart=0

oh the random shut down problem , a number of people have experienced this. Have you updated your firmware?