edyek,

Congratulation!!!

That means you are either there or almost there.....  You are about to be FREE.....

Dreamer

Folks,

IMHO, there are only 2 social classes:

1) You are not RICH enough.  Hence, you need to CARE how people think of you.

2) You are RICH enough to live your life INDEPENDENT of how people think of you.

Dreamer

But there is a big flaw in the word "social class". Ok you can say you want to make more income, and you to be rich. But do not associate high income and more money with "higher social class" ! It stings !

This thread seems meaningless to me.

I replied only because of u. I am local graduate + working oversea too.

Most of university graduates, doing normal unless exceptional good in corporate ladder.

BUT I do know many people, earning exceptional well > RM 500k running own business, with only secondary school education.

The top 20% rich? Earning > RM 60k monthly.

I agree with both bosses  But with exceptions.

"Rich" to different people have different perception. When you are contented with what you have, usually you will feel rich. The number of zeros in your bank account does not matter to define "rich"

But to a greedy man, he will never feel rich.

I involve a lot in business associations. Thus I know a lot of businessmen friends in a few industries. In general (maybe 90%), these rich businessmen do CARE about how people thought about them. And mind you, their businesses are worth tens of millions or hundreds of millions. Some are Datuks and Tan Sri who own a few listed companies. Are they not rich enough ? They drive fancy cars. If a new model is out, they are the first ones to drive and show off to everyone. They wear those expensive watches. They always boost about their overseas trip that cost hundreds of thousand. Children education, wife's designer bags/cloths and even how many mistresses and which famous model became their mistresses ! They always compete against each other. If one friend says out loud his car/watch is not good enough, the friend become his enemy immediately. What does that tell us ? Because they CARE about how people think of them. Are they not rich enough ?

But 1 thing I observed, although they are "monetarily rich", most of them are not really happy 

I dont agreed that graduated from which University does matter as long as it is recognized by local goverment, not those college that give permit for student to stay doing illegal thing in MY. It is what kind of altitude you or your children have. If you have a good and right attitude, nothing stop you from shining. I didnt show my paper or whatever during my last few interview, it is useless, eventhough i interviewing people also didnt ask for their certificate or whatever ...

I'm precariat. Too much time to spare.     

But I'm not rich and I don't care what other people think about me (maybe because I'm precariat)?   

You and him thinking that local lousy graduate cannot compete with top oversea graduate?

i thought the reason is to get better network 

For heaven sake please don't use the word "social class". Just use higher income group if you like.

This trick of associating higher income with higher "social class" should be stopped,  banned and condemned !

It's like saying people who do free social services and earns very low income, you can find so many examples of them in this country and in the world, and then these people are lower in "social class". Ghee ....

But I have the "social responsibility" of stopping people worshiping money. I cannot bear/take it if people equate money with social class and status.

Stop this social class thing..where u get ur education doesnt equate to your success..more like a syok sendiri..

Yeah our friend also trying to associate education with (monetary) success. This nakedly exposes his line of thought.

You were caught with your pants off and now you are trying to explain yourself. 

Yeah..and its supposed to be open discussion..but when we have different thought from him..ask us not to deviate from topic..apa ini..?

one should not categorise people. you only categorise objects. we are all human. no such thing as upper class, middle class. etc. what's the definition of middle class? wealth? intelligence? so if a person were to be rich, does that mean he is smarter than the less wealthy? one cannot put a tag on an individual. there will always be someone "better" than you. just be who you are and live life to its fullest period.