yah..but somehow they cant leave doctor with no jobs..coz its really bad..singapore will take us..=D so..they give job to us..its juz less job with same pay or more job with same pay..=D

no lar..we got the HO contract everything..they cant juz kick us out..they dun wan then its better mah..go work at private..or mayb go overseas lor..=D singapore they said they accept..mayb theres a hole??xDDD

well, just follow whats ur dream that u want to persue..=D

You see, AIMST MBBS degree is only recognised here in M'sia which means that we're all not going to be taken by any other country except for over beloved homeland. Unless you've gotten a globally recognised post-grad qualification. And like what kirii has said, SG only recognised medical degree from UM and UKM. Also, there's no need of worrying for not getting a a job here in M'sia as the government will automatically absorb you into their housemanship programme after your medical studies. You have to complete the 2 yrs of HO-ship to be fully registered with MMC.

M'sia are soon to have a surplus of dentists as well, looking at the current phenomenon where dental schools are mushrooming as well. Just by looking at the numbers of dental clinics and the amount of dental visits (compared to doctors) you went, you should've known.

=O ok i dun care..i just follow what i dreamed for since i was a kid..and from what csrulez said,its kinda true..government will automatically absorb us into those housemanship programme..if they dun have place to put us,they will find one..build up more buildings and wards..or watever to make us fit into the slot for housemanship programme...thats what i can think so far..=D
and also 3 years of COMPULSORY SERVICE thing..dun u think its kinda weird for med student graduate with no jobs?

No Surplus Of Doctors In Public Sector By 2015
Bernama, January 15, 2010 19:58 PM

PETALING JAYA, Jan 15 (Bernama) -- There will be no surplus of doctors in the public sector by 2015 as there is still a shortage of between 14,000 and 15,000 doctors from the 25,000 needed, said Health Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai.

While some 3,000 new medical graduates enter the workforce yearly, an average of 300 to 400 doctors quit the public sector for greener pastures each year.

Liow said that as at September last year, only 63.7 per cent of the 24,241 posts for medical doctors in the ministry were filled while only 58.5 per cent of 3,800 posts for specialists were taken.

"We view this situation seriously, so various efforts have been made, including cooperating closely with the Public Service Commission and Public Service Department to expedite filling the vacancies for doctors in the public sector," he told reporters at Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (Utar), here, Friday.

He said the ministry would continue to find initiatives to improve the situation such as offering better incentives like promotion opportunities to keep doctors in the service.

He said considering that Malaysia was still a developing country, the fear of some quarters including professional bodies of a surplus of doctors by 2015 was not fully justified.

"As Malaysia advances and becomes increasingly developed, the ideal doctor to population ratio for the country will shift lower to accommodate the expected higher demand of the population for more personalised and better quality medical care.

"The doctor density will also need to increase to accommodate the increasing specialisation and sub-specialisation of medical practice," he added.

Liow said Malaysia was also expected to achieve the one doctor to 600 population ratio by 2015 from the existing 1:1,105, an improvement from 1:8,229 in 1957 when the nation gained independence.

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Thanks to dranony, who pointed out that in a Bernama release, our Health Minister defends the claims of severe shortage of doctors in the nation:

Dranony:
On Jan 15th, 2010, the Health Minister Datuk Liow Tiong Lai had said that "No Surplus Of Doctors In Public Sector By 2015."

He further gave figures on number of percentage of filled posts, and the number of doctors entering and leaving the government service each year.

Do the math -
63.7% of 24,241 MO posts filled
i.e. 36.3% of 24,241 MO posts vacant = 8800 MO vacancies
58.5% of 3,800 Specialist posts filled
i.e. 41.5% of 3,800 Specialist posts vacant = 1577 Specialist vacancies
Total vacancies = 8,800 + 1,577 = 10,377 vacancies.

Also,
3000 enter workforce annually, 300-400 leave annually.
(Let's assume average is 350)
Nett gain is 3,000 - 350 = 2,650 annually.

(*actually this number may rise even further to around 4,000 per year, if many are not frightened away by Datuk Murugiah's idiotic pronouncements on extending compulsory service to 5 or 10 years! The MOH estimates that some 3,300 would start of as HOs in the year 2010)

Therefore, solely going by these figures which the Minister had provided, in only four years, the nett gain in doctors to the medical civil service, will be 2,650 X 4 = 10,600.

Since there are only 10,377 vacancies (as of Sept 2009), this nett gain of 10,600 doctors over four years, would already have resulted in a surplus in 2014, NOT even 2015!

This is despite the Health Minister's claim that there will be no surplus in 2015.

Perhaps in a way, he is right - the surplus will instead occur in 2014, and NOT 2015.

Or is he basing his conclusion on figures other than that which he had provided himself during that very press conference?

My Comments (DQ):

During our dialogue with the Minister on 8 Jan 2010, Dato' Sri Liow maintains that there will be no surplus of doctors even by 2015.

Even if we then have 50,000 or 60,000 it would be good for the nation! This is the perception of the MOH that we need more and more doctors to fill the chronic 'shortage' in the public service sector! Hence too, you can see the rationale of the ridiculously high number of medical schools (25 as of now) in the country with no limit as to how many medical graduates each is allowed to produce annually.

We appear to be bent on simply churning out medical graduates as if a third world paper mill, with no long term plan as to what might happen in just a few short years, when the production would seriously exceed the demand, what then?? Quick knee jerk reactions, quick-fix approach which even now looks alarmingly catastrophic in the near term! God help us!


And what about adequacy of the teachers? the quality? the experience? the quality of the entry students? or is it simply the fees that matter??


Consider the fact that for the entire UK, only some 1,100 to 1,200 medical doctors graduate annually, and from such established and solid medical schools at that!! In fact many schools are merging to save on costs and efficiency as well as to consolidate teaching faculty and strength!

going to take time to read it..later la~ too much wordsssssssssss @.@ ur quite a reader i guess..xD

sabah sarawak still have a HUGE vacancies for doctors though..is the surplus of doctors apply to these 2 states too?

sry again..its mr.palani said to me that u gotta suffer for 11months of foundation..give all ur best shots and get pointer 3.5 above..then onli they will secure our seat for the degree..e.g MBBS course onli 200 seat there..so..there will sort u from 1 to 200 depends on ur merit..=D

hi..
i hav a cousin interested to study in AIMST..
she thinking to take pharmacy in there..
any senior here giving some comment here??
izzit it need to oversea study??
LAN subject??
after study,its degree accepted by other country or can be worked in malaysia only??
any loan or scholarship can be apply??

u mean by malaysia goverment only or malaysia private oso can be done??

Who cares if there's surplus. If you're up there and able to compete with the rest, there's nothing to be afraid of. Why do something you're not into and let that passion fade? Hard work will only get you so far. What demarcates you from the others is passion. Do you have it?

hey wy, yea... passion is the drive for medicine. . if u dont have passion, stop dreaming u could cope for your entire lifetime as doctor...
it is tough... We have to learn so many things and it is lifelong learning process..
as long as u have the edge compared to others, u can be successful in the end thou we are in malaysia....
everyday population is increasing, diseases is increasing... malaysia still need more doctors in hospitals...    don't think about the statistics...
many graduates are mushrooming in other courses...ie: hospitality, it, business courses...  not only in medicine...

So you'd rather be a mediocre dentist rather than a fantastic doctor just because it's "safe" to be a dentist?
I'm not trying to break you down btw, I'm helping you make a decision which will shape your entire future. Hopefully you know what's at stake.

aimst degree (bds, mbbs) was not accepted in foreign country, but if i take the country's qualifying test, can i still work in foreign country?
is it aimst had best dental school?
any school provide dentistry better than aimst?

im chinese..but dunno how to speak mandarin..

I think it's not going down. I can see new lecturers coming in. Day by day, I'm getting to know more about my lecturers. Some of the lecturer's research articles are being published in newspapers (not here but India as they are from India). And the published articles are not some ordinary research. So, I could say its improving.

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Added on June 1, 2010, 7:09 pm

What is not fantastic about doctors?? Only those who stand up to take challenges (either life or death) can be doctors. Not cowards, it's not an easy work to do 36 hours of ON call (min twice a week). When outbreak comes, only doctors there as first hand of help ( knowing the risk that they can be infected too), ask yourself whether you can do that or not? Don't say it's not fantastic.  It is, that is why the number of medical schools are growing more and more every year (this year Taylor's and UTAR started) because they know there many who wish to study medicine even after knowing all that they need to face in future. No one had ever predicted well about future....(I dunno about Indonesian Taxi driving doctor, maybe they are doing that as part time job. For GOD sake, doctors pay are higher than a Taxi driver and no one would stop practicing after studying so hard). So, i guess you know whats fancy about doctor now.

I dunno about which one is the best....i can tell you a bit on AIMST dentistry and why it's expensive compared to many other Uni.

1) The Dean- Prof. Frederick Smales and his frens (whites)
    are from Hong Kong University Dental Faculty before this.
    - Prof Frederick is one of world's Top Dentist, was President of British Dental Association
    - Even clinic at rural areas in Sabah knows him, very famous....(many couldnt believe he is AIMST Dean)

2) Has Malaysia's very first In-Campus Dental Hospital (setting like those in UK)
    -it has around 200 dental chairs (even government dental hospitals dont have that much)

thanks you for your information, it really helps
i just fin aimst FIS, preparing to apply dentistry in manipal or pidc
dunno whether shud apply both or just pick one of it to apply?
can anybody help
manipal or pidc better ?

ok since I dont get my JPA appeal..so AIMST HERE I COME ON 8JULY!