never heard on 3rd reflash@ they did it wrongly. Is there any circular on the 3rd reflash. Maybe i miss that one coz long time not chit chat with them. Never heard it before...

on the audio control, ask them to refit the control@claim to change to new one.

ah,just remember, u do some simple diy mode to engine, why not trying remove them temporarily to determine whether maybe the new ecu not really friendly@can adapt with the simple mod u have. I know it seems like unrelated, bu who knows coz even wrongly used of plug cable can cause interefering with the audio causing humming sound from the audio. Happen once to my old friend car wira, change to performance plug, suppose to be for wira, plug n play, after checkimg all the audio connector, not solve, lastly, try change back to original cable, problem solve. Who knows, worth to try out.

I hope they will sort the dash rattling probs with vendor cause the dash is already fit togther by vendor, the assembly line just fit the whole dash to its mounting. But still prtn is responsible to cater the problem cause customer already did complaint at service centre n it suppose to be inside the computer systems@some service centre dont report it to hq....i wonder...

sorry mr gk lai, browsing too fast and mistaken u for allen for previous post which actually its u. Sorry mr allen for dragging u on this accidently. And one thing, ask them to read is there any trouble code for cvt and ask them to reflash the cvt adaptation software again n retune ecu(reset).

please check whether they change the the same rating oil coz factory fitting oil is mineral 10w 30.

2ndly, check whether u r checking the average fc@instance one, n remember to reset it coz the reading will be average of since day one unless u reset it.

3rdly, just probability, even with same driving habit n route, but its not the same idling time coz idling time also can cause up to 30% diff in fc(including idling at traffic which not the same everyday), so,there willl be a plus minus for every fc.1 to 2 litre plus minus, is normal.

4thly, another way to get better mileage that even me dont do it nowadays is to wind up windows, driving less than 90kmh :-). Have u guys try this out in cfe? Its efficient, but not comfortable. Thats why i never suggest this method. But for fun sake to check how much the compressor take out the power n fc, give it a try for a full tank.

thats why i said its hard :-). In order to breath, need to let the outside air enter the cabin by of the air internal circulation, and if want to wind down windows, just a bit :-). The last one is the last resort. Dont do it unless u r aiming for hyper mileage...ha...ha...

i presume its cfe version. Erm, what is set to the middle, the compressor@fan? If compressor/cool indicator, then check whether u set the fan to auto climate set or not. If the fan set to the middle, then something wrong with the fan@sensor.

i think what mr jayworm mean is that accidently pressed paddle shift paddle at steering and still in d mode at gear shifter coz even if u r in d mode,not using the tip shift at gear lever(slot to left to enter full manual mode), u still shift it using paddle shift. just double check,if that not the case,then need to send for check up the tcu.

not normal. go to nearert sc for checking. commonly,whether rubber misalign/improper fitting @ rubber defect. for brake disc,go back the sc to check again. is it screeching sound@gek gek? just send it back to cnfirm

mr earthdome,send to sc for replacdment. if not mistaken,end of last year@early this year,they did circulate to change all 4 pwrwindows unit to those effected batch. i dunno which unit involve,but that is what my source told me. go to branch sc. ask about it. or just call them to check whether ur car involve n parts are available. sory,cant help much.

many reasons preve is heavy, due to engine construction,cast iron vs alluminium, suspension setup,power steering mechanism,hydraulic vs electric,multilink vs lighter torsion beam,n homogolation for unece requirement.

due to strict homogolation,its bcome heavier. eg,honda civic euro hatch 1.8,is heavier than honda civic asia or us version 2.0, even generally speaking,hatch suppose to be lighter than sedan sibling. same case as sedan elantra vs hatch i30.

many methods have been done to reduce its weight,but of course they r many other methods also can be used,but it incurr cost that increase the whole cost of developing preve n total cost of the car unless prtn has economy of scales rite now.

bcm,hydroforming subframe,hpf,using cvt r ways used to reduce its weight.

but heard that upcoming p230a n latter will use nfe using eps module.

like mr v12 said,strip every thing to make it lighter,start with lighter rims at same size,lighter seat,remove all sound deadening material,lighter disc brake n etc.

and not to forget,using frp material for rear n front bumper n using stainless steel exhaust setup,start from extractor,piping n mufler, lighten crank pulley n many more


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pass airbags indicator n pass seatbelt indicator are part of eu regulations n homogolation where it supposed to be visible to the passenger. when they design the centre cnsole,they not only need to conform with regulations,n also to givn much comfort n safety to the occupants.

it isnt easy to please everyone. the intention is that to make it easy to the pass to unlock the car if the driver is away,

kids are supposed to be seated at rear seat whereby childlock is provide for each rear door.

prtn invest so much on bcm so that they can provide auto lock during driving n auto unlock during collision. whereby many other cars in malaysia already ditch the function due to eu regulation,bcoz they dont have similar function as bcm.

this project started since exora,n sadly many dont appreciate it much compare to what underthe hood.

bcm serve as active safety features that normally on highend car. so,its rare to any segment that prtn enter.

yup,since it isnt visual,only come handy n useful during emergency,it is easier to be ignore.

as in many comments i read in any forum,rarely bcm is being highlighted,n even some really proud their prestige car dont have pass airbags indicator,n cursing prtn put in airbag indicator which they cnfius it as airbag switch or button,without knowing a highend car especially sold in europe has similar indicator. or maybe they never been in one be4.

prtn still left behind,still need to polish their qualities,but they r moving forward, 1st attempt to produce car that can be said highly specced in its segmen n price,it has flaws,it has weakness,but it prove that prtn is willing to provide better car for malaysian,according to global homogolations. that is preve

if prtn isnt willing to improve,just focus on malaysian market or asean market homogolation is just enough,then it will be another big brother of saga. 2 airbags is just enough, 4 speeder is what they need n the list go on.

even many think nap is in favour of prtn,but it also do a lot of damage by restricting prtn from outsourced cheaper n more reliable part,rather than forcing them to use local parts n vendors.

what they trying to protect is the industry itself,vendors n tech transfer n etc, n prtn is one of mechanism to uphold the industry or as catalyst.

but cntinue to comments so they prtn will know their strength n weakness. so that they keep improving themselves. tq

what happened to ur car,darkcloud?

yup,it almost like mitsu etacs,but with some additional function for safety . while low end car for mitsu doest cover much of function coz being lock,but bcm is functions is available across its range unless it need additional sensors such as autolight n rain sensor. up coming hatch i heard will have front sensor for parking also.

highend luxury cars centralised its cntrol at hu,but that way too much for preve segment n price,but still the functions still the same except for some too much advanced such suspension cntrol n etc. but for engine,if want to add,they can,for steering,need to use eps 1st then can use bcm to cntrol them. maybe 4upcoming model.

mp3 files same quality,just diff kb quality,make it diff. unless its wav files,that is cd standard format. wma is window media audio format, where wmv is diff,that is window media video format,to play video with audio.

can a bit, but hard due to traction cntrol,eb dont have tc.

thats for esp,not tc. tc n esp,2 diff things but using same hardware.

power still the same,but delivery of power a bit diff due to tuning according to weight.n target fc. its complicated. some like abrupt power,some like more linear,some like progression.

the easiest way to feel the engine raw power,for preve,go to fully manual mode,not in d or s mode,for eb, sat. so u can feel the powerband from 1k rpm to redline coz attach to virtual ratio. unless it has manual gearbox,then easy to feel the raw power.

in full cvt,hard to feel coz its to smooth n engine sudden rev.

but hey,its just feeling n how its response to pedal input.

suprima s pedal pretty sensitive to pedal input. just smooth cvt hampered the feeling.

but cruising hilly road is the advantage of cvt,the engine no need to work hard coz optimum ratio of cvt,while normal at,or even dct,gear hunting is normal,unless the engine has enourmous torque,like puttin cfe in saga

power still the same,but delivery of power a bit diff due to tuning according to weight.n target fc. its complicated. some like abrupt power,some like more linear,some like progression.

the easiest way to feel the engine raw power,for preve,go to fully manual mode,not in d or s mode,for eb, sat. so u can feel the powerband from 1k rpm to redline coz attach to virtual ratio. unless it has manual gearbox,then easy to feel the raw power.

in full cvt,hard to feel coz its to smooth n engine sudden rev.

but hey,its just feeling n how its response to pedal input.

suprima s pedal pretty sensitive to pedal input. just smooth cvt hampered the feeling.

but cruising hilly road is the advantage of cvt,the engine no need to work hard coz optimum ratio of cvt,while normal at,or even dct,gear hunting is normal,unless the engine has enourmous torque,like puttin cfe in saga