I see a lot of female civil engineers around, some quite pretty too but too bad I no chance already.

I from the design office, but I do go down to site for inspection during casting, launching etc. My GF always complain I am fairer than her so you can judge how much sun I am exposed to. Long sleeves, pants then with the helmet sun burn should be minimal, maybe an umbrella if you want. Since you are a girl, the RE and contractor will take good care of you.

Job wise it is not hard. Deadline, pressure every job also have. Have to keep in mind what you do can hurt or kill people, waste people's money if done wrong, so be responsible.

My site inspection is considered as site experience and no comment from interviewers during the PI. Maybe you can do the same if don't want to be based on site. Maybe subangman can give his view on this.

Good luck and welcome to civil engineering.

I always have the opinion that those who do not want to dirty their hands, or get drenched by rain storm, or have their backs under scorching sun, should not venture into engineering.

If TS wants to work in the office ALL THE TIME, away from mother nature, there are plenty of careers that fit that description.

Executive Tea Lady is one of them.

This post has been edited by Stamp: Apr 4 2013, 08:52 PM

Thare are now hundreds of female civil engineer in JKR, and of course they are surviving ......

In the 70's in UTM , there were girls doing civil engineering.

I have a cousin working as a civil engineer with 5-year experience, initially with consultant firm , now with

property developer.

Civil engineer is further split into design engineer, site engineer and QA/QC engineer. Site engineer and QA/QC engineer will be always at site. Design engineer 90% of time in office and occasionally go to site to understand how site works and the difficulties face in site if follow your design. You cannot escape from going to site as a civil engineer. There are a lot female engineer but for sure, you need to work hard to earn respect in this field. Gender discrimination do happens in this industry. This is due to female civil engineer tend to give trouble (more requirement) compare with male engineer who only focus on work ability (as long it works).

SITE inspection / meetings / troubleshootings CANNOT consider as the 1year requirement under the book.

MUST FULL TIME at site .. Clock IN & OUT.

FYI I pernah kasi one of a female candidate keput in her PI in this condition for she fail to answer
back 80% of my site related questions which one cannot learn in office.

This post has been edited by subangman: Apr 7 2013, 09:47 PM

DISSIDENCE! Its all voice down personality. I have seen very hard working young female engineers
and lackadaisical male engineers as well.

The only hurdle might be is the normally site work is sweat, rain & dust while office is constant
air con.

Mmm... the last time I read the Act it does not say must be full time on site though... Section 22(1) like that. But different people has different opinion la, luckily did not meet you haha .

Say if the candidate can answer all the site questions but never based full time on site? Can get through?

This post has been edited by JohnJon82: Apr 7 2013, 10:13 PM

Can, if you are smart enough. Most of the time cannot as not many people can imagine things at site without exp it. I have seen people with very good imagination who can imagine how the works carry out based on photos taken on site, learn from discussion with site engineer and etc. So without going to site, he/she still can get "site" experience. Then you can write it in you PE exp log and answer interviewer question remarkably good. Of course, this type of people is minority.

If the sub committee allows one sit for his/her PI; we interviewer will accept/respect the committee
decision.

But certain questions pertaining to site can be only answered back if ones is full time or spent hell lots
of time at site.

Very hard working young female engineer = give more requirement and tighter specification to the contractor = cause delay of works = giving trouble to everyone

Lackadaisical male engineers = failure engineer...this happen to both gender

In civil engineer field, IMHO, hard working is not enough. How to be a smart engineer is important. I have seen hard working but not smart engineer, in the end works keep delay even he/she working day and night. My field (geotechnical) require creativity as well due to a lot of uncertainty in soil. Of course, if TS have a choice, don't choose civil engineer... This field is spoil....work and paid is soooo low....those developer not willing to pay the consultant fee and don't mentioned about the JKR standard fees.....

If you love intense pressure from client/boss, chasing deadline, OT everyday, challenging works, continue study journal, paper, standard after graduate then yes, come to civil engineer. It will satisfy your need.

i'm more concern about integrity rather than hard work.

hahaha... if a photo can shown then it will be a straight forward Q&A.

They shall be a very diminutive yet has great impact towards the final output of the product
if they are not look into it properly.

Example :-

A design engineer will only draw two straight lines or a square box for a RC column. How can we ascertain[U] that the final output is going to be within the allowable tolerance and what are the tolerances ?

They shall be plenty of Q&A related to your submission writeup and normally your PI interviewers are
those very well verse in that field.

This post has been edited by subangman: Apr 7 2013, 10:44 PM

Ya agree. Its always the responsibility of the interviewee to convince the interview panel that he/she is competent in every aspect to be a PE. Thanks for your view.

Engineer main concern is not delay of works... Safety is your main concern even if it caused delay, money or even your job. Injury or life lost you cannot pay it. Over specification that one is another issue.

What do you mean by "creativity" ah? Modify parameters to match the instrumentation results? Modify parameters to make it pass?

This post has been edited by subangman: Apr 7 2013, 11:16 PM

Creativity means design something that not publish in any text books or standard. As an engineer, you should not modify parameter to make a thing pass unless the modification is based on publish standard or any qualified publish journal that suit the condition. I doubt your qualification as a PE if you don't know this.
There are a lot of geotechnical design require very strong basic knowledge in order for you to design something that are extra ordinary new to the industry. There are a lot of engineers does not have strong fundamental, thus they cannot do something new. Especially something that not in the standard. For example, design pile cap using bending theory, lateral force from the structure should end inside the soil not pile cap, joint between retaining wall with slab is pin joint not fixed joint if only dowel bar is used, what does M/z means in BS code, etc. Lack of creativity means lack of competency.

SAFETY CANNOT BE COMPROMISE!

READ the guidelines. " to discharge duties DILIGENTLY ". and dun try to push to God.

You may have your rights to claim what is right or other wise. This is not kopitiam !

When things turn nasty DUN HIDE for there will be another Board to scrutinise all your works and prepare to face the music if duty not done diligently !

Civil is not like others .... we carry the burden for life upon putting our dobby & signature.

The PI is more to differentiate the teenagers from the grown up. Any wrong move might be catastrophic.

This post has been edited by subangman: Apr 7 2013, 11:42 PM

- Stringent specification could lead to unnecessary requirements that need to be met.
- Very obvious you are not working in Malaysia consultant. A lot of kiasu engineer out there who will not teach or guide even you ask. Not everyone is lucky. Luckily i am not one of them.
- Very obvious you are not in geotechnical field. And I am saying in geotechnical field. When you are dealing with KL limestone, there are no statistic. This is due to karstic formation of Limestone.
- Just my 0.02. No offence. But almost all consultant feel the same way as I do. The only motivation is passion.
- My profession fee is 5% of the project fees. This is quite standard fees for geotechnical consultant in KL. And my projects are not small scale project. But compare with contractor.....
- As I mentioned, the only motivation is passion... A good engineer should have integrity, this part I agree fully.

FYI, all my designs are all based on strong fundamental and proven. This is engineering all about. Honestly, I hope the board can stringent the rules and regulation. If the failure is proven due to designer fault, the designer should sentence to jail.. I hate those designer who keep get away from justice. Kind of pity those victims. When you work with a good fundamental team, you will learn in a right path like I do.

If your fundamental is good, nothing can beat you. Your example is an easy question too. Just check whether the extra moment due to deviation can be taken by the column. Of course, I understand this is just an example.