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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V129, All time high!

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gark
post Apr 8 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 8 2013, 03:27 PM)
glovemakers rally cos bird flu scare, nothing to do with GE
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If you look properly every @%%#$@ 'kau si lap sap' also rally this month.... icon_question.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 8 2013, 03:38 PM)
Where's my tip?
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Kazaff @ Apr 8 2013, 03:46 PM)
any cypark holder ?should we sell to get cash 1st o wait next round?
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I am still keeping mine 4c divvy next month. Yours you think yourself... tongue.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 8 2013, 03:49 PM)
Guys, I'm more of a consumer stock investor. Consumer stocks traditionally are defensives, by right they should be overbought now relative to cyclicals, but now as gark say, apa !$*@^%@#% kau si lap sap including cyclicals also rally. Where does it leave investors like me? sad.gif
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Consumer no more fashion now.. yuo see the main consumer stock all laggard one... brows.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(jy1905 @ Apr 8 2013, 03:51 PM)
eh, dlady not bad la
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Ya lar except that one lar.. free from your curse liao mah... tongue.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Apr 9 2013, 10:42 AM)
Forum so queit today, no bullish?
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Stock market slow down already.....
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post Apr 9 2013, 04:21 PM

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TDM announced 22 cents tax free dividend... rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

Fly birdie fly.... laugh.gif finally free from someone's curse.....

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post Apr 9 2013, 07:17 PM

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Adoi... what is this stupid TDM trying to do...

Share split 1 share to 5 shares, plus bonus issue of 1 share for every 5 shares....banyaknya shares.. rclxub.gif

So hold 1 share later get 6 (5+1) shares....

What for ah? doh.gif

Don't like share split .... sad.gif

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post Apr 9 2013, 07:22 PM

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post Apr 9 2013, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(jy1905 @ Apr 9 2013, 08:31 PM)
hah! but some investors think otherwise
coz it's bonus, must be good news
maybe tomorrow will continue goreng
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Actually if they know how to count, its all the same. Price will be revised for the split.
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post Apr 10 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 10 2013, 09:34 AM)
Must ask gark. Since he announced the dividends before everyone knows.

The Bursa announcement for dividends came first before the Multiple Proposals Announcement which came a bit later. Because I only saw the dividend announcement yesterday at first, while the Multiple proposals announcement was not there at the time. Probably the lag of uploading the announcements.

But bonus and split now making me headache... don't know whether to top up or sell to avoid odd lots.
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The trick is spotting the dividend and read all the documents.. the 22cent dividend announcement is hidden deep inside the audited annual statement TDM announced yesterday at 3.15 pm.

You open the audited annual statements and see if you can spot it?

P/S A lot of hidden dividend announcement is hidden under Q and annual report....I have found lots of those already. brows.gif Sometimes these hidden announcement can hide for weeks before the company announce the dividend.

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post Apr 10 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 10 2013, 09:47 AM)
He is our Guru Gark notworthy.gif
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No lar.. not guru lar.. too free nothing to do go read report onli,....
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post Apr 10 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 10 2013, 10:18 AM)
Looking at the CPO prices and the stagnation, I would agree.

While bonus issue is more of using up their retained earnings to convert to equity, share splits are more for volume generation. Imagine after the exercise, from 240mil shares will become almost 1.5 billion shares. Balance free float from 60 million shares will become 300 million shares.

So in terms of normally traded volume, TDM will see a 5 fold increase based on split shares although value traded would be almost the same. This thinly traded counter will now see a 5-10k volume daily instead of 1-2k volume.
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For TDM you need to look beyond the CPO price.

They have 40K land in Kalimantan, of which 12k ha has been planted since 2008. This year they will plant another 6k ha. Their initial 6-8k ha has come to fruitation since mid 2012, hence will start to contribute from 2013 onwards. Even at stagnant CPO prices, they will have increased CPO production of +20% in 2013 from the contribution of their kalimantan plantation. Thier first palm oil mill in Kalimantan is scheduled to be operational in mid 2013. Current terrenganu plantation is not efficient as it has been badly abused by the previous owners, hence CPO yield is low at below 20 tpha with oer of 19%. Plantation in Kalimantan is much more fertile volcanic soil, which can potentially yield 23-25 tpha with oer >23%.

There are 2 new hospitals going to be up which will raise the the number of beds by 50% operational end of 2013. Their healthcare division has been growing at a very good CAGR of 17% since 2004. So far at current share prices, all thier land will only cost RM 25k/ha with free hospitals and palm oil mills thrown in, one of the cheapest in the industry. wink.gif

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post Apr 10 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 10 2013, 10:54 AM)
How about the Free Cash Flow from your point of view , good or bad.

Some CEOs do project very bullish pictures of their cos, but give very lousy  FCF.
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I see the FCF from TDM is more or less breakeven as they are investing in the new planting. But it is a net cash company, so no need to worry got no money. laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Apr 10 2013, 11:01 AM)
TASEK , i start monitor u at 8.9~9.x .

Now u climb until 16.5  cry.gif
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Last time i gave recommendation to buy at RM 8... but i too sold too early... cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 10 2013, 11:20 AM)
Thanks for the info. I only have data until 2011 where they have 6575 hectares of young trees (0-3 years) in their Indonesian Operations.

While their hospitals operation growth is very good, it is still so small compared to their plantation business in terms of revenue and profit.

Oh yeah, also just noticed that the 22 sens dividend for 2012 is much higher in terms of div/eps. While historically, TDM always pay close to 30%, this time 22 sens of 41 sens 2012 EPS is closer to 50%.
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Yeah those 6575 ha of young trees in 2013 will be 2-5 years old... 3/4 years onwards can already harvest... rclxms.gif

Their hospital PBT already contribute >10% of total profits... not so small anymore, in 2014 will contribute at least 15%-20%. In terms of revenue already about 30%, hospital margin is lower than palm oil, currently about 10+%. I have checked the margin with KPJ and it is almost similar, hence TDM's hospital is standing on par with the big brother KPJ... and KPJ selling at PE 20... icon_question.gif

Historically TDM announced dividend 35%-45%, this year is the biggest, probably due to large cash reserves on hand (Or Terengganu govt need election funds doh.gif ). They however guarantee minimum 30% payout no matter what. Good dividend stock if you ask me....

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post Apr 10 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Apr 10 2013, 11:31 AM)
A gark sifu! Need some opinion on plantation company..... Golden agri listen in singapore exchange.... Since the price is low i am thinking to buy and keep can ahh?
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I also looking at golden agri.... but i find first resources better... laugh.gif Both are big plantation owners in Indonesia...
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post Apr 10 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2013, 12:51 PM)
So anybody wants to apply leave on 6/5 (monday)? biggrin.gif

stock market fireworks!
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Monday? Apalah EC make outstation people hard to vote... vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2013, 12:54 PM)
No. Voting is on 5/5.

Monday is to see market reactions.
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Ok ok sori sori.. over reaction... sweat.gif sweat.gif Monday prepare elephant/whale/dinosaur gun laio.... laugh.gif

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post Apr 10 2013, 01:00 PM

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5/5/13 = 5+5+1+3 = 14 sweat.gif

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