Refer to the thread for previous conversation

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=273650

what you all think of it ?

A dog can't be consider pure breed(pedigree) even if it doesn't have a cert. Many people avoid the hassle of registering their pups to MKA.

On the other hand, without a cert, there is no prove that pups are pure breed. The cert will show the dog's family tree as well as the award(if any) and origin.

A responsible dog owner will not simply breed dogs and not register them with MKA~! Nor will they mate with dogs with no cert....

becuase of mka new rule make alot people become 'irresponsible' dog owner
alot of my customer getting this case...
they din seperate their dog so it accidentally mate
they just realise the dog when saw it pregnant but its more than 28 days
so the application for the cert is not allowed
no need to say malaysia
many other country also have certless pure breed dog
they dont even care about the cert also
like some dogs mka doesnt admit 1 so that 1 not consider pure breed ?
thats the question starts again

A owner who doesnt register them with MKA is irresonsible ? Why is that so ?

Certs are just a proof that whether it's pure breed or not. Most of the people will buy a dog with cert to avoid being cheated by dishonest seller, that's why you see that there's a huge price gap between a dog with cert and one without cert. For me, cert is just a piece of toilet paper unless i'm going to bring my dog to competition.

cert is to prove for the person who not trust the shop
but certless dog mostly are certain popular breed only
like shihtzu,poodle....etc
through customer's demand....70% of them are lookin for certless dog
haha
nowdays people are buyin dogs for gf, buyin dog for children....as long as the dog is pure breed, they dont care about the cert

Toilet paper ? Well,i think cert is like a guarantee that the dog is a pure breed. That's all. It's just to diffentiate between good lines and normal ones.

A cert just give proof of the parentage, lineage.... it's only important if you want to show the dog. Buying a certified purebreed is just a way of knowing what you paid for in the end.

A certless but pure breed is purebreed lah... tak akan mix breed? From the photos I can see it is a cocker spaniel and not anything else.

People buy certless dog coz more affordable. As long comes from good responsible home breeders that do not over breed their dog, then it is ok.

Some petshops these days duplicate or buy dead MKA dog's certs to use during their sales... Not all ah, just a few.... all for the sake of making sales.... So sometimes we can't even trust petshops that say certified dogs.... lol, got this info coz happened to my friend lah....

Anyway, MKA dogs comes more expensive, certless purebreeds cheaper. As long you just want the dog, then cert is nothing lah. There is no harm buying a dog without cert but it is best not to breed once bought coz there will just be overbreeding later on.... these are just my thoughts, even though I have breeded dogs, never breed them coz I believe the pros should do it.

yes agree
thats why i invest a scanner in my shop to prove that it is real mka registered dog
or else
people look for certless purebreed cause of affordable....as what you said
if say certless dog are not pure breed....i guess alot of dog will suffer for no home to stay =p
hahaha

Good that you have a scanner. Not many petshops have a scanner and mostly we gotta call MKA to find out if the dog is really registered.

give more guarantee to customer mah...
we doin long term business 1
since we're 1st dog shop in penang...
been heard alot case that happen
fake cert lar, dead dog's cert lar, print cert lar....
so we scan the number and the vaccination card got stick with the chip's barcode
then they dont believe can phone to mka to check whether the dog got register or not

double posted


This post has been edited by -DaRReN-C-: Apr 12 2006, 05:30 PM

I've always felt that those certs were a waste of time, and money to some lame ass so called doggy body.

Love the dog for what it is, not for it's godamnned breed.

Just like what pizzaboy has said:

I bought the dog to be my companion, not because of its breed. So who cares (I mean me lar...hehe) about the cert?!

But some kiasu ppl would care. Sometimes when i bring Piper out, they'll ask..got cert or not..

Hahaha.... I also kena like that.... then when I say got, some also ask, "can provide stud service ah?"

I'd reply "Sorry, my dog cannot produce liao"

Piper and Benni, you want or not

Hahah... how I wish to have.... but already I got 4 leh heheheh

piper is jrt ?

Yah, a very nice JRT coz she has the standard size and nice head. I also like the way she sits hahahah....

Neh, my friends asked me whether my dog is purebreed or not. I told them, that I love my dog for what it is, not because of whether he is pure breed or not.

This post has been edited by jdreamer: Apr 12 2006, 09:46 PM

If it's not a JRT, i wouldn't be that active in the JRT thread already.

Hun, you saw Benni b4 also rite?

Got, saw him few times liao hahah... Benni is a nice JRT also, hope the pups will be like both parents.... hahah... if one pup sits like Piper, then you gotta keep it loh heheheh....

Neither for or against certified pure breeds but a crucial point 2 b considered is whether d pooch is able 2 perform d functions as it was originally intended n bred 4. Dat is d very basis 4 d different shapes, sizes n breeds of dogs v hv today. All dogs r bred 4 a purpose, b it 4 companionship, hunting, retrieving, herding etc. Not much use having a certified pure breed protection dog if it dun hv good bite or a certified pure breed hunting dog if it dun hv d prey drive. If dey arent reasonably adept in d field, den dey dun really represent d 'pure breed', even if dey come with a cert.

D cert only gvs an indication dat d breed u r going 2 get is within d specs as established by d kennels, n even dat is not guaranteed. Hence, u may still end up with an off-spec pedigree.

Given dat most dogs nowadays r kept purely as companions n arent really tested in d field, den having a cert or not dun really matter n is only of use if u intend 2 parade ur dog at d conformation shows

Wld like 2 borrow a quote from a friend of mine (Reality Dreamer), 'Pedigree indicates wat d animal should b. Conformation indicates what d animal appears 2 b. But performance indicates wat d animal actually is.'

This post has been edited by groovemaster: Apr 12 2006, 11:59 PM

Hmm fake certs are easy to obtain, Certs doesnt guarantee the "pureness" of a certain breed.
There has been a well know case, a well known dog shop in Penang that produces its own certs. The owner is a "somebody" in the dog arena. I bet many other petshops do the same thing.

Dogs with certs are sold with a higher price, while dogs without certs are sold cheaper. I don't really think certs are necessary unless your dog is for show or breeding. If I m not mistaken a real cert contains the dog's lineage, that includes the dog's parents, grandparents etc...

Plus MKA is just an organization which takes money and produces the cert, its not somesort of Gov body that can guarantee purity of a breed.

how she sits ?
got photo ?
interested....

not many others....dont because of a shop make you think that others is also doin like that
dont because of a bad apple make customer lost trusted on other shop

The whole fiasco started when a fellow forumer claimed that the ACS that darren-c is selling for his friend is not PUREBREED because it doesn't have cert. Thanks to MKA for instilling that assumption to most ppl.

But who cares? do any of you give a d@mn thing about cert when you feel in love instantly with a dog right infront of you? To me, as long as we're not showing the dog, to hell with cert.

The latest Berita Anjing had 2 pages of a list of registered mini schnauzers that have been deregistered just because the coat is WHITE in color. Pedigree has been revoked and why it that i asked myself. That piece of thing is to show the lineage just as how a birthcert means to us, humans. Why the hassle over DEregistering them just because they don't conform with the breed standard? It is STILL a Mini schnauzer to me.

darren, a sample of the pic is already posted in the JRT thread.

edit: here's the pic

This post has been edited by nairud: Apr 13 2006, 09:46 AM

m'sia cert dont mean anything for me, even a cert dog, u can see they r out of standard like a mix breed.

the most important is, study more about the breed u want to buy, don't pay a CERT dog price, but get a mix breed with cert.

but all dogs are priceless, even u pick them up from road side, they will be your precious.

Must ask nairud for pic loh... even my dog tried to sit like that.... but ah... still cannot beat Piper's way of sitting hahahah....

MKA.... bah.... they don't know anything.... white is caused by a gene mah.... they actualy aren't pure whites... just very very light silver, like a diluted salt and pepper... already other countries accepting white MS... as long not albino.

True.... the cert's here don't mean anything. My dogs got certs but what I do with them? Hahahah.... I just like to see the family tree only... nothing else... show? Not showing at all coz they don't come to the right standards...

All dogs, no matter mix, pure or mongrel.... still dogs, still our companions.

yep too pity those whose cert was recalled =.="
why mka issue the cert to them at the 1st ?
this is their fault !
and....alot of my customer when registering dog, the just pay not enough RM0.30 only
the cert delay until 7months+
he keep waiting but then mka din inform him
then in the end he phone to check....they told him still have to pay RM0.30
haih...
msia cert doesnt mean anythin...you're right
cert is for the family tree...or the lineage, mating with certed dog, show
otherwise no use with the paper...

Well, many white MS gets registered as Salt and pepper... I dunno how MKA works lah coz I've not bred dogs before.... as I know, petshops lable white MS but they also put the cert on display and I see it says Salt and Pepper....

White and Salt & Pepper does makes differences. Its funny how they register the white ms to salt & pepper ms.

'ghost fight ghost' in cantonese !
hahahahaha

Hahah.. yah loh.

Well, what to do? Some breeders purposely breed whit MS coz they think unique and can ask for higher price.... we won't know for sure but I think that's how that white gene got spread around so quite a number of MS carry the white gene...

normally white ms cert got chop not for breeding 1 mah
haih
dont know what they doin inside
conflict all

Actually, I've always wanted a white MS too.

Yah loh... like white boxer mah.... but it is so funny. Coz another forum got this lady's MS gave birth to 4 or 6 very pale salt and pepper... like white lah.... and MKA told her that her pups cannot be registered I think.... so funny....

You should see a silver one. Then you would all over it ghahahah....

the colour lighter not mean that it is totally 'white'
maybe it lack of copper
copper is for the colour tone
maybe can add more supplement on copper
so far never see a supplement that only concerntrate on copper...
mostly i recommend multi vite for my customer

hahaha..silver. yes! when you see one, you'll hun and i saw one b4.



Just because it's not following the standard, they still have to provide the cert..it's about linage we're talking about here. Put a chop saying cannot breed or whatever la..adui.

This post has been edited by nairud: Apr 13 2006, 04:45 PM

for me cert is nothing cause im a dog lover..... depends on the dogs attitude the i think it s a pure breed... no need to c pieces of paper to confirm it.... looks it more then enough

Yeah, I have 1 pair of labrador retrievers at home. The breeder promised me MKA registered certs, which prove to be a lie coz my close friend who owns a printing company told me the breeder approached him to ask him duplicate some MKA emblems + certs. The breeder owns a pet shop in Tun Sambanthan, Brickfields and he's well known in the dog industry, esp. his golden retrievers. Anyway, its and old story and I've already given up the damn certs for along time, it's just pure love for my dog. Especially my ,mixbreed shih tzu, brutally attacked by my female lab. which we decided to end her misery by putting her to sleep. I posted the sad story to shared with dog lovers and many disturbed my thread, some PM me with funny messages, whereas the rest shared the sorrow. Honestly, for pet shop, cert means more money and easier to sell, because it means that the dog they are selling is pure and trustable. For me, I just want my dog to be what its supposed to be, and healthy of course. Some people really funny, whenever I bring my labs out for a walk, they will say ' Wah your dog so big r, must be very expensive, got cert ar? ' I say dont have, people give one.' Another funny encounter is between me and some college students from China, they were walking their beagle. Approached me and said my dogs looks like 'pigs', because I overfed my female lab, so I replied in mandarin ' Nice huh?! My pigs knows how to look after the house and play fetch, what about yours?' Of course they boh song liao and walk away lor..

This post has been edited by Jenn77: Apr 15 2006, 03:15 PM

haha
nice pig you have then =D

Thank you!

You dont buy a dog without choosing them. When you choose, you give a DAMN about whatever godamned breed on sale.

And the breed is what saperate you from getting the dog of your choice. Instead of choosing the wrong breed blindly and end up sleeping.