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post Mar 28 2013, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 28 2013, 01:17 PM)
ur left is the BIGGER one? i shove a small filter into it this morning. saw there is oil on it too yesterday morning and today morning...
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No, the right one is bigger.
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post Mar 28 2013, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 28 2013, 01:23 PM)
so ur looking at it from front bumber...i thought from inside driver seat. i never remove the small one. i removed the bigger one and found oil there...but i just attach the small filter there. will the oil come out even more and spoil the small filter i put?
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Aiyoh the bonnet is blocking, how to snap pic from the driber's seat doh.gif laugh.gif

Yiu have to ask YAB about the small filter, I am still not very clear on the design blush.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 28 2013, 09:48 AM)
ferry ke jeti? if ferry, might as well your office is above water ka?

IINM, if beside the ferry jeti, next to bus station la isit?
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Jeti feri lah tongue.gif Yah the bas stesen is next door
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post Mar 28 2013, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 28 2013, 03:07 PM)
luke, last time i pergi BM naik bas wo, that why i know the jeti feri.
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You naik bas at Penang Sentral kah? Ayam toking about the Island, I seldom go mainland, will get lost there ph34r.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 28 2013, 03:59 PM)
come here everyday u wont lost anymore  nod.gif
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Naik feri enjoy makan angin wub.gif

It's been a long time.

QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 28 2013, 04:23 PM)
reapers fish kena sold.
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Not just sold, sold secretly with all the expensive mods attached doh.gif

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post Mar 28 2013, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Mar 28 2013, 04:37 PM)
frankly, the ferry still the same as year 1998?
the only time i took ferry to pg island  tongue.gif
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1998? The feri looks like it's from 1888 laugh.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Mar 28 2013, 04:42 PM)
oh... then it still the same old ferry as i sat at the older time  blush.gif
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It's not that old
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post Mar 28 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Mar 28 2013, 04:45 PM)
said about penang.

I rindu mee goreng sotong padang kota..

Luke, can delivery to KL? hahah i know you working around that area
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By the time reach KL stale aldy yawn.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Mar 28 2013, 04:46 PM)
i mean ferry now compare to 1998 lar  laugh.gif
suddenly hungry...
can poslaju one more pack to me?
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Same lah, it's been like that since the 1970s
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post Mar 28 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 28 2013, 05:08 PM)
just don go to the jetty from mainland and wait for PULAU PINANG labeled ferry ASSUMING it is the destination of the ferry  sweat.gif

i've seen and heard foreigners at the jetty asking why all the ferry labeled Pulau Langkawi etc but none Pulau Pinang. their assumption was that the label will take them to other pulau's instead  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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laugh.gif What if there was a feri named Pulau Holland? laugh.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 28 2013, 06:35 PM)
8. Jarak satu kesatu gear menjadi lebih panjang.
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This is the most questionable one hmm.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 28 2013, 08:15 PM)
increase 50% hp weiii!! plug it in Gaga 1.3 will have more hp than Preve CFE!!! BULK BULK!!  flex.gif

The England even more terer!!  notworthy.gif

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Can someone pl0x point out to him that he's selling a bomb? whistling.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 10:18 PM

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Mythbusters should do one episode on busting all these performance mods rclxms.gif

Though I remember there was one episode where they fed an engine mothballs, detergent, coke, etc etc
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post Mar 28 2013, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(apisfires @ Mar 28 2013, 11:30 PM)
what the fishhhhhhh....  shocking.gif  shakehead.gif
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No fish in the world can survive that
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post Mar 29 2013, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Mar 29 2013, 01:40 PM)
how much does a vacuum gauge cost?
very very believe that low rpm driving does not mean low fc. driving at optimum vacuum will be.
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The study of how engine vacuum and RPM relates to fuel consumption is always interesting. These are my observations.

From my understanding (and YAB thinks so too), on the IAFM (non +) engine, the fuel regulator sprays fuel based solely on engine vacuum. 0 inhg? Spray rich 9 9. High vacuum? Lean burn. So by reading the vacuum gauge you can estimate how much fuel is fed to the engine. Plus, your engine vacuum is dependent on the throttle opening, if you step hard and keep the throttle wide open, vacuum drops and the injectors dump loads of fuel into the engine.

Throw RPM into the equation and it gets a bit more complicated. You're right in saying that low RPM doesn't necessarily mean low FC. Ever ridden a multi-speed bike? That should give you a very good idea on what the engine is going through. For example, if you try and ride in high gear at low speeds, it's difficult and tiring even though you are pedaling slowly. If your brain had a vacuum gauge it'll be pointing at 0 inhg. But at the same time, if the gear is too low, you waste too much energy pedaling quickly but the bike moves too slowly. So you should pick a gear that allows you to pedal at the optimum cadence (your pedaling RPM) for the road condition, be it fast or slow, uphill, flat or downhill. Same thing with driving. You may not be able to select your gears manually on an automatic or CVT gearbox but understanding the shifting behaviour of your gearbox will help.

So in the end I can say your RPM doesn't matter too much, as long as you're not excessively high near the redline. Your vacuum does matter however, as it directly affects how much fuel is sprayed into the engine.

I have been driving with a vacuum gauge for about seven months now. Personally, I don't think driving while reading the gauge has actually improved my consumption, but having that extra bit of info is very useful and has taught me loads on how the engine responds to the throttle and load conditions (eg, acceleration, going uphill). I think it should be standard in every car but then 99% of drivers won't know how to read it whistling.gif

Going by the above it seems that driving with a high vacuum all the time is good. There were times when my eyes were almost glued on the gauge, adamant not to let the vacuum drop below 10 inhg. However if I drive like that I wouldn't be going anywhere, as I can't accelerate and keep up in traffic. I found it was better to actually accelerate a bit harder initially, never mind that the vacuum went down to 5 or even 0 inhg, but if I did I'd quickly reach an optimum speed and RPM ratio where I could now move fast and at the same time have an efficient vacuum reading. What I'm saying here may not make much sense until you get your own vacuum gauge icon_idea.gif
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post Mar 29 2013, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Mar 29 2013, 05:00 PM)
I somehow, can brain the meaning. sometimes even I drive harder my fc also not affected which now I am starting to understand uncle explaination on the vacuum reading previously. so to actually get into action, i think the best way will be getting a gauge.
how does it actually installed in the car?
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On the IAFM engine, unplug the vacuum hose to the fuel regulator, put a Y connector then tap the vacuum gauge hose from there. Wished I had pics.
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post Mar 29 2013, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 29 2013, 05:19 PM)
This is what i observe from OBD2 scanner reading, vacuum is not always related to fuel inject rate. Campro is EFI, it inject fuel based on user input.

Real case example i cruising @ 110km/h 3600rpm in 5th gear on flat road, fuel inject rate is 100cc/min, vacumm 15in/hg. When the road is started to incline, i stay @ constant pedal, the car slow down until 90km/h and vacumm drop until 10in/hg, but fuel inject rate doesn't change. What i get is i use same amount of fuel to travel shorter distance, means the outcome also same, FC increase, but what i want to say is vacumm not directly related the fuel inject rate.

How about i down shift to 4th gear? With the pedal input same as 5th gear, what will happen is ur car will further slow down <90km/h, why? Becos engine will run >3600rpm for 90km/h, the engine drag will slow ur car down. Means lagi worst FC.

Same as u, driving with vacuum meter did not improve my FC, but by observing % throttle, definitely FC improve, at least for me.
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100cc/min x 60 = 6000cc or 6000ml or 6L for 110 km, that is 5.45L/100km which is extremely good, my Gaga can only do about 6.x or 7L/100km if I drive at 110 km/h notworthy.gif

I don't have the benefit of all the data you can read through your OBDII scanner and I wished I had one as well. Of course when you naik bukit FC per distance sure increase, there's nothing you can do about that whistling.gif What most people do is to tekan harder to maintain the same speed and I'm sure that if you hold the throttle at the same position or even release slightly it's more efficient than maintaining the same speed.

Actually when referring to the bicycle part I'm talking about much lower RPM, for example if you try and accelerate up a steep hill in 3rd gear at about 1500 RPM, at that RPM the poor engine cannot provide enough torque. At this point, the driver may WOT (wide open throttle), vacuum 0 inhg but even though the ECU sense WOT and flood the engine with lots of fuel, the car cannot accelerate. The correct thing is to downshift to 2nd, now the engine can rev to about 3000 RPM, closer to the peak torque and the driver doesn't have to WOT, so it's using less fuel than 3rd gear. Anyway 90 km/h is much too fast to shift into 4th gear, in fact for economical driving I shift to 5th at around 50-60 km/h on flat roads.
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post Mar 29 2013, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 29 2013, 06:01 PM)
i guess this a bit explain why your FC is better than mine. i shift to 5th at 60-70(minimum) which means shifting at around 3k RPM. actually i shift at almost 3k RPM for each gear except 1st to 2nd gear. which is 2k++ and since i did not have a vacuum gauge, i estimate or have an imaginary one in my brain where i play around on how many relative centimeter i step down on the accelerator...
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I think besides how high you rev before you shift up, equally important is how hard do you step to reach the shifting point. For example, you say you shift at 3k RPM. Do you tekan hard and then release at 3k RPM, or do you gently apply pressure and slowly ease the revs up to 3k RPM before you shift up? That makes quite a bit of difference IMHO.
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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Mar 29 2013, 11:05 PM)
what else can i know from vacuum reading itself?
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All the stuff you can tell from a vacuum gauge

On another note, this week I drove WOT whenever I could, traffic permitting laugh.gif Meaning I drove without caring about my consumption, as if petrol was free rclxms.gif

Consumption? 8.7L/100km. Last week in similar circumstances I got 7.6L/100km.

Back to eco-mode from now. Conclusion? It's possible to save about 1L/100km by changing your driving habits nod.gif
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 29 2013, 05:15 PM)
what? no drillz? get out of here! jk.
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