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post Mar 17 2013, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Mar 17 2013, 08:11 PM)
Nope, one lightning +4 and death+4. Most times, she'll cast lightning, but against the likes of specter and death casters, she'll be using death+4 with almost 100% success.
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ok, thx. same here. almost 100% success.
did u encountered, although Death+4 is success, LS still kick in! Especially thor, come back to OHKO!
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post Mar 17 2013, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Mar 17 2013, 07:39 PM)
ok, thx. same here. almost 100% success.
did u encountered, although Death+4 is success, LS still kick in! Especially thor, come back to OHKO!
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Hmm, not sure. But I think Death+4 doesn't negate LS or SD to activate. Odd thing is, most of the times, my LS fail after getting hit by skill+4 especially lightning magic.

The way I see it, not only Death+4 has 50% chance, it also depends on guardians. Its almost like:
V. Specter - 99% success rate
S. Banshee - 89% success rate
Scarm - 69% success rate
Crocell - 59% success rate

Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure I almost NEVER see a V. Specter fail her death cast EXCEPT on XMAS BANSHEE.
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post Mar 17 2013, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Mar 17 2013, 08:53 PM)
Hmm, not sure. But I think Death+4 doesn't negate LS or SD to activate. Odd thing is, most of the times, my LS fail after getting hit by skill+4 especially lightning magic.

The way I see it, not only Death+4 has 50% chance, it also depends on guardians. Its almost like:
V. Specter - 99% success rate
S. Banshee - 89% success rate
Scarm - 69% success rate
Crocell - 59% success rate

Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure I almost NEVER see a V. Specter fail her death cast EXCEPT on XMAS BANSHEE.
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I think it is due to type of card, means WIS is important here, Wise type will enhance success rate. But sometimes Fast also important which enable u to cast 1st too...
Thus always torn between choosing Fast/Int type.
I think ur type should be Intl/Wise. So u may better success rate.

Yeah when casting against Xmas....Xmas always win. This is what i observe too.
Just checked, Wise Xmas vs. Wise Specter...Xmas is >100pts on her WIS. I think this is reason Xmas always win...

WIS chart
Xmas (WIS: 4534, wis+20)
V. Specter - 99% success rate (WIS:4401, wis+20)
S. Banshee - 89% success rate (WIS:4534, wis+20) >>> just realize she has the same WIS as Xmas, even both AGI are same! But seldom ppl use S Banshee in Elite..so cant really test this out.
Scarm - 69% success rate (WIS:3568, wis+20)
Crocell - 59% success rate (WIS:4074, wis+20)

So i think the success rate ranking is as following:

1. Xmas
2. S Banshee
3. V Specter
4. Crocell
5. Scarm

Rank 1,2 & 3 is kind tricky, Specter is more superior as She has much better Agi, so she cast 2X 1st before ..S Banshee can act.
Not sure my theory above is make sense or not..

This post has been edited by jkleejk: Mar 17 2013, 08:40 PM
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post Mar 17 2013, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Mar 17 2013, 08:15 PM)
I think it is due to type of card, means WIS is important here, Wise type will enhance success rate. But sometimes Fast also important which enable u to cast 1st too...
Thus always torn between choosing Fast/Int type.
I think ur type should be Intl/Wise. So u may better success rate.

Yeah when casting against Xmas....Xmas always win. This is what i observe too.
Just checked, Wise Xmas vs. Wise Specter...Xmas is >100pts on her WIS. I think this is reason Xmas always win...
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I kinda wish this was true, but against Ace Ettin, death+4 can easily kill Ettin. I used to believe the Wis theory candefend against death skill, but now that I have a lot of exposure in coli, it feels like it depends on guardians too.
Of course we may need proper test for this to be proven. e.g. set up our field deck with xmas banshee, v. specter and guardians with high amount of stats for each category and do a social battle.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Mar 17 2013, 09:36 PM)
I kinda wish this was true, but against Ace Ettin, death+4 can easily kill Ettin. I used to believe the Wis theory candefend against death skill, but now that I have a lot of exposure in coli, it feels like it depends on guardians too.
Of course we may need proper test for this to be proven. e.g. set up our field deck with xmas banshee, v. specter and guardians with high amount of stats for each category and do a social battle.
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Maybe WIS,+Death+4 guardian type ...high WIS alone not guarantee on Death+4 spell defence..maybe smile.gif

Ok, how u want test the field deck, let me know. I will arrange according to ur desire. pls ping me when u are ready.
i dont have crocell, scram & s banshee. only specter, xmas for ur trial.

This post has been edited by jkleejk: Mar 17 2013, 08:41 PM
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:07 PM

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2 sifu class with wise / sonic spec + wise / sonic xmas + serenade do experiment ...

but i don't have any of those , so i can't help out ..

only have alm cool spec .. if u all wanna try i can help out too ..
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:13 PM

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anybody here got play both jap and international version...?
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Hp3nG @ Mar 17 2013, 09:13 PM)
anybody here got play both jap and international version...?
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i think bro MBR , Fallen are the most active JP player here
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(supermac @ Mar 17 2013, 09:35 PM)
i think bro MBR , Fallen are the most active JP player here
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thanks a lot biggrin.gif
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(supermac @ Mar 17 2013, 09:35 PM)
i think bro MBR , Fallen are the most active JP player here
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Not that active in Jap... Int GC on 4 devices already tire me out...

By the way, is there an event that I am not aware of?
I went NHT hunting to finish the tickets about 10 minutes ago and shot 1 GS + 4 SS on 1 NHT alone.
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(mbr @ Mar 17 2013, 09:40 PM)
Not that active in Jap... Int GC on 4 devices already tire me out...

By the way, is there an event that I am not aware of?
I went NHT hunting to finish the tickets about 10 minutes ago and shot 1 GS + 4 SS on 1 NHT alone.
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wow 4 device ! me handle 2 device edi KO .. no time even to log in to jap GC to finish out the GP or get sht

i just cleared all 10x NHT .. few ss , non GS ..

bro ~ it's your luck damn good ..

maybe time for SHT / coins ?
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post Mar 17 2013, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Mar 17 2013, 08:40 PM)
Maybe WIS,+Death+4 guardian type ...high WIS alone not guarantee on Death+4 spell defence..maybe smile.gif

Ok, how u want test the field deck, let me know. I will arrange according to ur desire. pls ping me when u are ready.
i dont have crocell, scram & s banshee. only specter, xmas for ur trial.
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emm, maybe after coli ends. I hate to rearrange and move cards. I always end up misplacing them. I will PM you once I figure out the ideal method card vs card.

QUOTE(mbr @ Mar 17 2013, 09:40 PM)
Not that active in Jap... Int GC on 4 devices already tire me out...

By the way, is there an event that I am not aware of?
I went NHT hunting to finish the tickets about 10 minutes ago and shot 1 GS + 4 SS on 1 NHT alone.
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Nope, seems like a lot of players are reporting the same thing. Catching gold slimes on sunday is odd, but its happening. Heck, I can't even gift the silver slime I caught too.
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post Mar 17 2013, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Mar 17 2013, 09:49 PM)
emm, maybe after coli ends. I hate to rearrange and move cards. I always end up misplacing them. I will PM you once I figure out the ideal method card vs card.
Nope, seems like a lot of players are reporting the same thing. Catching gold slimes on sunday is odd, but its happening. Heck, I can't even gift the silver slime I caught too.
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bro ~ wanna askask . some 1 offer me my rb ace shiva for his rb ace ettin ..

is ettin any better ?

i check stats and skill shiva faster .. but everything like same .

do ettin fetch better value ?
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post Mar 17 2013, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(supermac @ Mar 17 2013, 10:21 PM)
bro ~ wanna askask . some 1 offer me my rb ace shiva for his rb ace ettin ..

is ettin any better ?

i check stats and skill shiva faster .. but everything like same .

do ettin fetch better value ?
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I have the same thoughts. They're both the same.
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post Mar 17 2013, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Mar 17 2013, 10:28 PM)
I have the same thoughts. They're both the same.
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then how bout value .. ? is it ettin better cox is more rare ?

if you would have to pick 1 , which 1 would u go bro ?
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post Mar 17 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(mbr @ Mar 17 2013, 10:40 PM)
Not that active in Jap... Int GC on 4 devices already tire me out...

By the way, is there an event that I am not aware of?
I went NHT hunting to finish the tickets about 10 minutes ago and shot 1 GS + 4 SS on 1 NHT alone.
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just tested NHT, gotten 1 GS within 5tix used, can be give away!.
then tested with SHT...gotten 2 GS...cant be gifted!
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post Mar 17 2013, 11:08 PM

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Something similar to an event in Jap GC not too long ago, perhaps:
http://cache.endev.othello.square-enix.co....20130317_1.html
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post Mar 17 2013, 11:12 PM

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post Mar 17 2013, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(supermac @ Mar 17 2013, 10:32 PM)
then how bout value .. ? is it ettin better cox is more rare ?

if you would have to pick 1 , which 1 would u go bro ?
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Hmm, thats a hard choice. If the shiva is mine, I wouldn't trade her, if the Ettin is mine, I wouldn't trade it too. tongue.gif
Its like those kinda trade where you don't trade up or down.
What I like about Shiva is that she has a debuff skill which works against S rank decks, so even if Shiva couldn't kill one guardian, she could help by limping the enemy's guardian for the next one to finish off.
As for Ettin, I'd choose him for a definite kill ratio using elemental magic. He can defend against strong magic skills for sure. He's my main choice for deck filler because he has higher ohko rate compared to Shiva, which means a lot if youre in elite highest ranks.
Trading value would probably favor shiva because her bad types are highly in demand for alm V. Specter. Also, its common that Storm Reach guardians has better value compared to Glaverow.
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Hi, I'm still a GC newbie, my invitation code is BS25024, nice to meet u guys smile.gif

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