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Buying Advice nikon D50 vs D70s?

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post Apr 14 2006, 04:06 AM

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Updated mine with another set of d70s kit.. my fren might interest to buy together if we can get cheaper LOL

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DSLR Shopping Trip
Date : End of April/Early of May
Shop: Tarita/Boeing/Foto Shangrila/Other shops tht give good price & gifts
Members:

1. cyberkid - Nikon D50(body) + 18-200mm VR lens + 1gb SD
2. cyberkid's fren - D200
3. cfyung85 - Nikon D70s + Nikon bag + 1Gb CF (SanDisk) + Hoya/Nikon Filter + Circular Polarizer
4. basSist - (Nikon D70s + Nikon bag + 1Gb HighSpeed CF)x2 + Circular Polarizer
5. Intrigue - Canon EOS 350D/Nikon D70s + 1GB CF + UV filter + Circular Polarizer + battery for D70s/EOS 350D
6. ferox - Nikon D50 + 50mm + 18-200mm VR lens + 1gb SD + dry cabinet
7. crackie - Nikon D70s + SB600
8. k3v1n - Nikon D50+512SD+Camera Bag+Hoya Filter/Panasonic FZ30
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post Apr 14 2006, 11:48 AM

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my fren last nite just went to Alamanda(Putrajaya)'s fotokem.
he got quoted:

D50 kit + bag + 1GB + Tripod = RM2999

D70s kit + bag + 512MB + Tripod = RM3850

Dont ask why he went so far to Putrajaya coz it is near for us.. Cyberjaya thou LOL
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post Apr 14 2006, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(elb @ Apr 14 2006, 07:39 PM)
I have a question: when they mention tripod, what tripod do you get? Some flimsy RM100 generic tripod? Velbon? Manfrotto? Gitzo? A simple 'one piece' tripod? Or body + ball head/ pan & tilt head? Weight/ stability/ supported weight of the tripod? Plastic /aluminium/ carbon fibre? There's a lot to a tripod, in case you have not realized it...
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i also asked my fren about that buthen my fren told me he didnt ask the staff what kind of tripod he will get.(that time the shop was about to close,my fren said)
sorry for incompleted information given.
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post Apr 15 2006, 10:46 PM

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today went for PC fair..
got chance to hold and play with various DSLR

first i saw Oympus and played with its E330 and E500.
Nice,not very heavy,the lens smooth when u zoom it.

2nd,Nikon.i played with its D70s and D50.
yah D70s is definately heavier than E330 and E500 and D50 is slightly lighter than D70s also.the lens.. not as smooth as Olympus.

3rd,Canon.the 350D.
yah the colour production is better than Nikon as i saw in their LCD panel compare with Nikon's(maybe i am too noob so cant really fully utilising Nikon's laugh.gif ).Lighter.the lens.. yah not as smooth as Olympus and about the same with Nikon.

P/S: all the lens are standard kit lens for each of them.

Conclusion:
i like the Olympus's lens that made me zoom smootly and steadily. smile.gif
just wonder izzit the difficulty to find Olympus's accessories(1st or 2nd) makes many players change their mind to Nikon or Canon..

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post Apr 15 2006, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(cfyung85 @ Apr 15 2006, 11:18 PM)
dunno much bout olympus E330 n E500 but i read in photo magazines the photos taken by E300 tends to undersaturate in almost all conditions  sweat.gif n olympus is using a unique four thirds (4:3) sensor so very hard oso to find a 4:3 lenses except for olympus lens themselves. but oso heard the zuiko olympus lens is growing kinda fast oso  smile.gif
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 15 2006, 11:44 PM)
The E500 is actually not bad. If you don't need ISO800 or above.
Currently in the four third bandwagon is Panasonic, Sigma & Olympus. Sigma does produce lense with 'four third' mount. And later after Panasonic launch its 1st dSLR, we might even see Leica lense with 'four third' mount.
BUT price is another issue lah.
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okay.. but the lens really give me smoother and steady feel if compare to Nikon and Canon leh. wub.gif

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post Apr 16 2006, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(k3v1n @ Apr 16 2006, 12:24 AM)
hey, no doubt with E500 and E330, i tried both also at pc fair, for the E500, the twisted LCD really make me  shocking.gif , first time i saw twisted LCD in DSLR. tongue.gif
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i tot the twisted LCD is from E330 that comes with Live LCD as well?
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post Apr 17 2006, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(richx @ Apr 17 2006, 12:35 AM)
On the subject of Olympus, I do think that the ZD 14-45 kit lens that comes with the E-300, E-500 and E-330 are indeed superior to the kit lens you get on the D50 and EOS-350D. It's got true USM/SWM-type focusing mechanism, for one.
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i played with D70s too buthen the lens not as good as in E330 and E500 (USM/SWM focusing mechanism)
i am not sure i was holding the D70s kit len (18-70) maybe they just plug in the D50's kit lens to the D70s body?
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post Apr 17 2006, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(richx @ Apr 17 2006, 08:27 PM)
You can't mess the two up. The DX 18-70 from the D70 is a mid-range lens with rather good performance, and rather hefty in size. The DX 18-55 is a wimp of a lens in terms of construction quality, and is rather small and lightweight.
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sorry really noob about this. that's why i am not sure about which i was holding (i forgot to notice the xx-xx number on the lens)
i need more chances to play with those cameras..
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post Apr 18 2006, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(richx @ Apr 18 2006, 12:29 AM)
Hehe just tell my size and heft lar. The DX 18-70 is large-ish and rather heavy. It's also got two rubber rings around the lens. The DX 18-55 is small and light, with one big rubber band around it for zooming, and a skinny plastic rim up front for focusing.
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QUOTE(richx @ Apr 18 2006, 01:25 AM)
Err, the DX 18-55 is poorly constructed, and is designed with no intention for manual focusing (skinny, unmarked ring!). The so-called SWM mechanism is also half-baked, with no ability to overwrite AF without flicking a switch - which reminds me of Canon's normal DC-driven EF lenses - not something you'd associate with USM/SWM systems. But it claims to have ED elements. Hahahaha ...

Optically speaking, it's got rather average-to-poor corner sharpness, esp. at wide open. Given the price difference between the D50 and D70 with lens, I'd think the D70 is very much more worth it with the better lens.
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hmm... not really remember the size already.

but for a newbie's instinct i just felt that the olympus kit lens gave me more confortable than others LOL. so let's say the kit lens for D70s is almost as good as Olympus's then i think the D70s i was holding that was equipped with another kit lens which is from D50.(but do u think would they equip D50's kit to D70s's body?)
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post Apr 18 2006, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(richx @ Apr 18 2006, 02:14 AM)
Err, no it wouldn't make any sense to do so. Then again, stupidity and idiocy transcends boundaries of all sorts.
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ok. nvm i will try to go and play with those cameras again and judge them slowly.
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post Apr 22 2006, 02:24 AM

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wow cfyung85 finally got ur d70s aldi..
congrats man..

btw u got ur CF card a little bit expensive sweat.gif

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post Apr 22 2006, 02:42 AM

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i think i gotta move to D50 instead of D70s.. gotta save more for other accessories
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post Apr 22 2006, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 22 2006, 02:47 AM)
if the RM2400 for D50 kit is true.
then u'd have RM1000 extra to spend on lens & other accessories.
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yeah.. donknow if i still can get the price of RM2400 not. maybe will try to ask boeing's Lilian since cfyung85 quite satisfied with her sales services

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post Apr 22 2006, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(k3v1n @ Apr 22 2006, 04:13 PM)
i went to boeing ask for d50 price just now, how come they quote me rm2500?? unsure.gif
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Did u find Lilian?
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post Apr 23 2006, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(cfyung85 @ Apr 23 2006, 05:16 PM)
well i dun wanna buy kingston since it is not recommended by nikon. nikon recommends sandisk, toshiba n another brand forgot liao...
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 23 2006, 06:24 PM)
Nonsense. Who said Kingston CF not compatible with Nikon.
I'm using Kingston Elite Pro 1GB with D70.
It can store 293 shots for JPEG large fine. 
And it's only RM125 @ PC Fair.

Sandisk CF is way too expensive. But yeah, if you're buying Nikon Digicam which bundles memory card, it's either Sandisk or Toshiba (normal speed). And I find the former is faster than the latter.
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Additional link given here to the first statement.
http://nikonasia-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/n...li=&p_topview=1

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post Apr 23 2006, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 23 2006, 07:10 PM)
Proton recommend only lubricant from Petronas.
Anyone followed that recommendation?
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i didnt find any relationship between ur statement with DSLR stuffs. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

QUOTE(cfyung85 @ Apr 23 2006, 08:53 PM)
yeah. i just say it is not recommended (nikon oso), not completely useless  doh.gif

sigh u r just being far too sensitive n hot headed scorgio  sweat.gif
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Agreed rclxms.gif
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post Apr 24 2006, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Apr 24 2006, 10:25 AM)
how much is the diff of the  d50 and d70 prices
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cheapest found:

D70s RM3450
D50 RM2400

so the difference is RM1050
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post Apr 24 2006, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(nles @ Apr 24 2006, 12:01 PM)
Is it for lowlight condition the less aperture the better? example f/1.8 compare to f/4.
telephoto AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4-5.6G good enough for low light concert?
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QUOTE(k3v1n @ Apr 24 2006, 12:13 PM)
of course, the smaller aperture f no (larger aperture size) can let in more light when u shoot in low light condition while you still can use a faster shutter speed to avoid handshake. Compared to f/1.8 and f/4, f/1.8 can allow more light going to the censor.

In low light condition, shutter speed, aperture size and iso has conquered the main factor. If you use AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4-5.6G shoot for low light concert, you must prepare a tripod since the aperture is not big enough to let u set a faster shutter speed. But slow shutter speed will make the image blur, then iso can help you on this...but i think 70-300 still not enough to shoot long distance concert.... tongue.gif
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try this may help u in long distance concert drool.gif

Sigma APO 50-500mm f4-6.3 EX DG/HSM = RM3850

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post Apr 24 2006, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 24 2006, 02:00 PM)
The dark side is strong. I made a mistake earlier saying that boeing quoted me RM2400 for the d50. Actually, they quoted RM3400 for the d70s. So the price difference is RM1000.

For low light shots, you really need a fast lens like f2.8, unless of course you have front row seats.
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RM3400.. poisoning me sweat.gif
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post Apr 24 2006, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 24 2006, 02:20 PM)
bassist, you haven't even gotten your d50 right?
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ya,havent.
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