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post Mar 2 2013, 11:47 AM, updated 13y ago

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Burmah Road Gospel Hall
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Are you sure the last 3 pictures are Malaysian?

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post Mar 2 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(HuorEarfalas @ Mar 2 2013, 11:51 AM)
Are you sure the last 3 pictures are Malaysian?
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Penang.
all the churches I'm posting now are from Penang.
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Church of Holy name of Jesus very impressive.
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post Mar 2 2013, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Mar 2 2013, 11:56 AM)
Largest church in South East Asia(bukit jalil)
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first time I drive past I was like holy shit
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A few churches in Melaka very nice. The one just next to the Dutch red buildings.
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Which is the oldest church in Penang?
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:01 PM

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St George's Anglican Church
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The Salvation Army
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(nearlee @ Mar 2 2013, 12:00 PM)
What is your point
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Showing a different side of Malaysia
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Which is the oldest church in Penang?
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Church of the Assumption
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 12:05 PM)
RELIGULOUS by Bill Maher
Religion must die for humanity to survive?  nod.gif

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This isn't about religion, it's about history, and buildings. I'm a atheist, but I like a lot of the old churches.
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hopefully 200-300 years from now those building will be historical sites and I'm guessing most people will laugh just like how we laugh at people worshipping the sun, trees, zeus, odin, volcanoes etc.
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:09 PM

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Nowadays churches can never look like the days of old. Something to do with govt ruling that new churches can't be build to look like actual churches in Western countries, instead must be warehouse look, hence the spaceship design of Calvary Church, it's about the take off, man. Any truth in this?
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Trinity Methodist Church, Kuching
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St John Cathedral, KL
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(euthanasia @ Mar 2 2013, 12:09 PM)
Nowadays churches can never look like the days of old. Something to do with govt ruling that new churches can't be build to look like actual churches in Western countries, instead must be warehouse look, hence the spaceship design of Calvary Church, it's about the take off, man. Any truth in this?
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yes. Most new churches nowadays just use shop lots.
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Vesto @ Mar 2 2013, 12:09 PM)
hopefully 200-300 years from now those building will be historical sites and I'm guessing most people will laugh just like how we laugh at people worshipping the sun, trees, zeus, odin, volcanoes etc.
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I hope the same too, but also for Mosques.
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 11:58 AM)
first time I drive past I was like holy shit
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Honestly, I prefer the old style architecture. That thing looks more like an abomination in my opinion.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 12:14 PM)
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what's so funny? I like the look of the old churches. I like how old historical buildings look.
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praise the lord. beauty that's boundless, sign that Jesus is the only one true way over the rest
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I'm Muslim but I think some of the churches are quite beautiful..muslim that burn churches are just zzz..desecrating religious places is a big no no in Islam..
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St Michael's Church Sandakan
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post Mar 2 2013, 12:23 PM

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post Mar 2 2013, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(bl@ze @ Mar 2 2013, 12:19 PM)
I'm Muslim but I think some of the churches are quite beautiful..muslim that burn churches are just zzz..desecrating religious places is a big no no in Islam..
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Dude and I am in awe everytime i drive by Shah Alam Mosque and moorish-design Masjid Sultan Sulaiman.
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Dude and I am in awe everytime i drive by Shah Alam Mosque and moorish-design Masjid Sultan Sulaiman.
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I prefer the look of mosques in the Arabian world to mosques in Malaysia. Mosque in malaysia looks too "modern"
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QUOTE(euthanasia @ Mar 2 2013, 12:09 PM)
Nowadays churches can never look like the days of old. Something to do with govt ruling that new churches can't be build to look like actual churches in Western countries, instead must be warehouse look, hence the spaceship design of Calvary Church, it's about the take off, man. Any truth in this?
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The government encourages smaller churches to be nondescript, as in out of sight and out of mind. The bigger ones are showpieces as examples of Malaysian diversity. That doesn't prevent simple shop lots of being raided and inspected just in case they are being used for religious reasons. I've seen a letter from the local council certifying a thorough inspection had been done being framed in a shop because the owner was fed up of being accused using the premises as an illegal church.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:30 PM)
The government encourages smaller churches to be nondescript, as in out of sight and out of mind. The bigger ones are showpieces as examples of Malaysian diversity. That doesn't prevent simple shop lots of being raided and inspected just in case they are being used for religious reasons. I've seen a letter from the local council certifying a thorough inspection had been done being framed in a shop because the owner was fed up of being accused using the premises as an illegal church.
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it is also extremely difficult and takes a long time to try and get the proper paper work to start a new church, or to even begin constructing a new church building in church owned lands
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 12:33 PM)
Your line: "I'm a atheist, but I like a lot of the old churches"
It reminds me one of Bill Maher lines:
"...Back in jail, I'm fine with some ass-play but I hate faggots"

Real Time with Bill Maher: Loving the A$$-Play, Hating the F_gs (July 29th, 2011)

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Nope, completely not the same. And please stop using Bill Maher, that guy's a douche. Prefer someone like Dawkins and Penn Jillette.
I like the aesthetics of churches.
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:33 PM)
it is also extremely difficult and takes a long time to try and get the proper paper work to start a new church, or to even begin constructing a new church building in church owned lands
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Tell me about it, I've helped a church to do the necessary paperwork for the land usage conversion and it took nearly 10 years.
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Did you know that the Malay peninsular already had a church way before North America had anything?
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Did you know that the Malay peninsular already had a church way before North America had anything?
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The English colonists were already in NA in the 17th century
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 12:42 PM)
Do you know that mosque is the tallest building in the world and forever it will ever be?
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what?
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:33 PM)
it is also extremely difficult and takes a long time to try and get the proper paper work to start a new church, or to even begin constructing a new church building in church owned lands
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I hear u bro. My dad is currently building one in Banting, just from planing to finish takes until now in it's 7th year. All gotto do with approval, we are at the authority's mercy really. Caused him sleepless nights dealing with red tapes.
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:33 PM)
it is also extremely difficult and takes a long time to try and get the proper paper work to start a new church, or to even begin constructing a new church building in church owned lands
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Tell me about it, I've helped a church to do the necessary paperwork for the land usage conversion and it took nearly 10 years.
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You guys already know about it.

A good case would be the Church of Divine Mercy in Shah Alam. The project started in 1977.......only completed a few years ago. During that time, the government was a super troll.

http://www.divinemercyshahalam.com/history.htm

Some people call this subtle religious persecution. Indeed it is. Placing unnecessary barriers, hurdles, restriction to build a house of worship can be considered as denying one's right to worship.
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inb4 muslim rage in this tered
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QUOTE(incubus_skj @ Mar 2 2013, 12:53 PM)
inb4 perkasa members rage in this tered
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can a non christian enter a church?

Also where is the infamous St Johns church in KL??
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 12:42 PM)
Do you know that mosque is the tallest building in the world and forever it will ever be?
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salah.........Burj Khalifah is the tallest building in the world....

QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:43 PM)
The English colonists were already in NA in the 17th century
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Melaka fell in 1511. In 1521, a church was built. Though no longer in use, it was the first church not just on the peninsular but perhaps in SEA.

St Augustine in Florida was only founded in 1565.
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can a non christian enter a church?

Also where is the infamous St Johns church in KL??
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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2013, 12:58 PM)
salah.........Burj Khalifah is the tallest building in the world....
Melaka fell in 1511. In 1521, a church was built. Though no longer in use, it was the first church not just on the peninsular but perhaps in SEA.

St Augustine in Florida was only founded in 1565.
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huh, I thought the first was the one in the 18th century in Malacca. But it's not really fair to say the NA natives had "nothing" though tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 01:01 PM)
Salah again. Refer my answer above again. Wow you guys never heard that tallest mosque joke before kah

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keningau oldest church in sabah?
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Heh, the place where young minds are fed with BS.

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Heh, the place where young minds are fed with BS.
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why when about christianity, always got people come in and say thing like this, but when thread about islam, all silent wan
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:53 PM)
Penang.
all the churches I'm posting now are from Penang.
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Amazing, didnt think I'd see a medieval bricks building in Penang. Thank for sharing
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Amazing, didnt think I'd see a medieval bricks building in Penang. Thank for sharing
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You should check out the Gospel Hall if you ever go to Georgetown.
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ah church, where teenagers join to pick up innocent chicks. the good ol days smile.gif
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 12:55 PM)
Did you know that the Malay peninsular already had huge complex of Tambi Hindu chandi temples way before any known civilisations had anything? Go and ask the Orang Asli. Don't forget belanja them beer after telling you the truth none or little of it ever told in Sejarah textbook.

Meet The Natives drink beer

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Yes, of course. No need to ask orang asli, read SPM sejarah is enough if you have a critical mind. The malays before Melaka were essentially Hindus or Buddhists, like those in Bali today.

Our sejarah textbooks talked about Angkor Wat, Borobudor and then about majapahit, Srivijaya, Langkasuka, Gangga Negara....all these were Hindu or Buddhist states. However, they do not go beyond informing the reader of the existence of these kingdoms. Sejarah officially starts with Melaka. Have you realised that?

Of course, this is understandable. Anything that has got to do with the Malay identity and Islam is so politicised in Msia, it would be unfathomable to suggest that Malays/Malayan peoples were once Hindus, Buddhists or Animists.

Our historians/books/researchers don't seem to be interested in researching/talking about pre-melaka Malaya.

It's a different story in SG and Indon, from time to time, they have interesting exhibitions on pre-melaka SEA.


QUOTE(kopitiamtard @ Mar 2 2013, 12:57 PM)
can a non christian enter a church?

Also where is the infamous St Johns church in KL??
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Of course.

Close to Masjid Jamek LRT station.
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 02:13 PM)
You should check out the Gospel Hall if you ever go to Georgetown.
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I live on the island
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I live on the Island
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 01:01 PM)
huh, I thought the first was the one in the 18th century in Malacca. But it's not really fair to say the NA natives had "nothing" though tongue.gif
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Ok. The oldest Church in Msia is older than the oldest church in North America............
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I am living here on a job for the last 6 months. So still unfamiliar tongue.gif
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New huge churches are mostly Christian and don't follow those catholic architecture. Most churches register as a non profit organization and built on commercial land. There are 0 new license offered other than those existing during mahathir era . So most have to pay assessment at a commercial rate
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*yawnnn* recruitment drive again? I wonder which 2" would sell their souls away based on a few pictah of architecture?

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QUOTE(replymela @ Mar 2 2013, 01:26 PM)
New huge churches are mostly Christian and don't follow those catholic architecture. Most churches register as a non profit organization and built on commercial land. There are 0 new license offered other than those existing during mahathir era . So most have to pay assessment at a commercial rate
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I think you mean Protestant, Catholics are Christians too.
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I think you mean Protestant, Catholics are Christians too.
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Or non-denom.

The term Protestant is strictly those communions that broke off during the reformation. Despite that, it's better to use the self-prescribed appellation of those communities. Lutherans, Baptist, Methodists etc

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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 01:41 PM)
I think you mean Protestant, Catholics are Christians too.
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Protestants are Christians .... U must have learned from our sejarah text book which is wrong
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waitt ill u see churches/chapels here in sabah/swk.

ull shit brick for sure, sometime it makes me wonder where were all those donation money went to
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QUOTE(replymela @ Mar 2 2013, 01:48 PM)
Protestants are Christians .... U must have learned from our sejarah text book which is wrong
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what? Protestants and Catholics both fall under the umbrella of Christianity
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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2013, 01:47 PM)
Or non-denom.

The term Protestant is strictly those communions that broke off during the reformation. Despite that, it's better to use the self-prescribed appellation of those communities. Lutherans, Baptist, Methodists etc
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ya that would be more accurate
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QUOTE(replymela @ Mar 2 2013, 01:48 PM)
Protestants are Christians .... U must have learned from our sejarah text book which is wrong
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Protestants are Christians. You don't think so?

There are some churches that are not considered Christian by mainstream Christianity despite what they might claim to be. The LDS church and the JW's are some of the examples. I.e. the baptism carried out in these communities are not valid. That is to say if you were a mormon and then you became an anglican, you will need to be baptised. However, if you were a Baptist and you became a catholic later on, your baptism is valid.

Having Jesus Christ featured prominently in one's church doesn't mean it is Christian. The LDS view of Jesus is completely different from the 'mainstream' Christian view.

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Protestant began when King Henry merajuk cannot kahwin janda as opposed by Pope. The King so frustrated that he took almost entire churches in England from Catholics and renamed it as Protestant hence the name.

SDA - Seventh Day Adventist church, well this Christian sect formed shortly after some failed prophecy of Doomsday in U.S.

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Protestant movement started by Martin Luther I believe, King Henry was only responsible for the Anglican Church, which is almost identical to the Roman Catholic church.
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Protestants are Christians. You don't think so?

There are some churches that are not considered Christian by mainstream Christianity despite what they might claim to be. The LDS church and the JW's are some of the examples. I.e. the baptism carried out in these communities are not valid. That is to say if you were a mormon and then you became an anglican, you will need to be baptised. However, if you were a Baptist and you became a catholic later on, your baptism is valid.

Having Jesus Christ featured prominently in one's church doesn't mean it is Christian. The LDS view of Jesus is completely different from the 'mainstream' Christian view.
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in the end they are still considered as Christians. just becoz 1 mazhab has too many differences in comparison with another mazhab doesnt mean that said mazhab is not part of christianity.

just like how orthodox christian is still considered as christian.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 02:05 PM)
Protestant began when King Henry merajuk cannot kahwin janda as opposed by Pope. The King so frustrated that he took almost entire churches in England from Catholics and renamed it as Protestant hence the name.

SDA - Seventh Day Adventist church, well this Christian sect formed shortly after some failed prophecy of Doomsday in U.S.

As I said before, a religion is better off with one version only
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Salah on multiple fronts. henry merajuk sebab tak boleh cerai. Dia mau cerai Catherine of Spain to marry Anne Boleyn whom he had her executed later because (whatever version of history that you like) he fell in love with Jane Seymour. Basically Henry was a horny old geezer.

"Protestant' is the term which was probably given by the Catholic church to those who were protesting against catholic teachings. The protesters probably viewed themselves as reformers.

It's the Swiss Reformed Church, not the Swiss Protestant Church. You get it?

There is really only one version of that religion. Just many interpretations.


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Protestant movement started by Martin Luther I believe, King Henry was only responsible for the Anglican Church, which is almost identical to the Roman Catholic church.
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Deswai Anglicans are known as Catholic Lite. The only thing that changed then was that the 'final authority' was not in Rome but in London. The beliefs were all the same. Now of course things have changed a lot.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 02:05 PM)
Protestant began when King Henry merajuk cannot kahwin janda as opposed by Pope. The King so frustrated that he took almost entire churches in England from Catholics and renamed it as Protestant hence the name.

SDA - Seventh Day Adventist church, well this Christian sect formed shortly after some failed prophecy of Doomsday in U.S.

As I said before, a religion is better off with one version only
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that was the great dissapointment of 1844.. and your so-called "sect" studied the bible closely and was given the meaning of the "cleasing of the sanctuary".. in which the "sanctuary" was not referred to the earthly sanctuary but of heaven's.. thus God revealed alot more bible truths to this so-called "sect" that wasn't even deemed important by the rest of the denominations.. sweat.gif
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if one mazhab claim themselves to be of christian even though they are being ousted by mainsteam christians, they are still christian.

it's called faith.
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If want to discuss, then go to christianforums.com
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LOL

in the end they are still considered as Christians. just becoz 1 mazhab has too many differences in comparison with another mazhab doesnt mean that said mazhab is not part of christianity.

just like how orthodox christian is still considered as christian.
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This is what you think. You and other people can audit and list out which community is Christian or otherwise. No one can stop you from doing that. Just as the LDS can say that they are Christian, no one can stop them from that. Whether this 'recognition' is extended by one's peers is another matter. This is precisely the situation that we are in now.

Anyone can start a university and say that it is a university, as to whether that 'university' is regarded as a university by other universities/governments/groups is another topic altogether.

Orthodox Christians is Christians.

The history of Christendom is really rich. Unfortunately, not many people care to know about it-which is fine if one doesn't have an interest. This would necessarily mean that one will only have an elementary knowledge of Christendom, frequently punctuated with 'I thought it was like this or like that' scenarios. Just an example, does anybody really know what papal infallibility means? The most common misconception is that whatever the pope says is infallible.....which is of course not true. Can't be blame, even some catholics believe that the pope confesses only to God, which is again wrong, the pope also has a confessor, who is just another priest like him.
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wait, why are we arguing whether or not certain christian mazhab really are branches of christianity?
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No need.

If want to discuss, then go to christianforums.com
This is what you think. You and other people can audit and list out which community is Christian or otherwise. No one can stop you from doing that. Just as the LDS can say that they are Christian, no one can stop them from that. Whether this 'recognition' is extended by one's peers is another matter. This is precisely the situation that we are in now.

Anyone can start a university and say that it is a university, as to whether that 'university' is regarded as a university by other universities/governments/groups is another topic altogether.

Orthodox Christians is Christians.

The history of Christendom is really rich. Unfortunately, not many people care to know about it-which is fine if one doesn't have an interest. This would necessarily mean that one will only have an elementary knowledge of Christendom, frequently punctuated with 'I thought it was like this or like that' scenarios. Just an example, does anybody really know what papal infallibility means? The most common misconception is that whatever the pope says is infallible.....which is of course not true. Can't be blame, even some catholics believe that the pope confesses only to God, which is again wrong, the pope also has a confessor, who is just another priest like him.
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what differentiates these unrecognized branches of christianity of the recognized ones?
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That's the funny part of Anglicans - their church founded on King Merajuk but who were they that time to oppose their King mau pancung kepala kah. Church of Horny Old Geezer? Nah too late to rename it lah dude LULZ
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No lah. Desway it's called the Church of England, with the sovereign as the head.

It's interesting to see history in action. Many people, especially the aristocrats, renounced catholicism and converted to anglicanism because it was to their interests. Commoners also did that because it was fashionable and it came with perks. That being said, many still practiced the 'old faith' in secret even though they were publicly anglicans.

Now contrast that to the communists in China. In China, no one actually believes in the communist cause anymore, but people still join the party because members can get privileges, like gahmen contracts, preferences treatments for loans or applications etc. You can see this in Msia too, be it on religious or political lines.


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Not arguing but warning just how easy some crooks abuse church/belief system to profits themselves. Church = Business?

Even Jesus hated those greedy traders selling items at church compound and chased them all away. "Do not mess my Father's house you XXX" Hey maybe Jesus cursed a lot too who knows eh!
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This is mainly a problem in the US, it happens in Malaysian churches too, but on a much smaller scale.
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No lah. Desway it's called the Church of England, with the sovereign as the head.

It's interesting to see history in action. Many people, especially the aristocrats, renounced catholicism and converted to anglicanism because it was to their interests. Commoners also did that because it was fashionable and it came with perks. That being said, many still practiced the 'old faith' in secret even though they were publicly anglicans.

Now contrast that to the communists in China. In China, no one actually believes in the communist cause anymore, but people still join the party because members can get privileges, like gahmen contracts, preferences treatments for loans or applications etc. You can see this in Msia too, be it on religious or political lines.
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Last time I go China, I went to a underground house church for university students, a lot of them were party members laugh.gif
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why are there getting more and more christian mazhab around the world?

heck even in malaysia some previously unknown ones like harvest church is getting more and more popular here.
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why are there getting more and more christian mazhab around the world?

heck even in malaysia some previously unknown ones like harvest church is getting more and more popular here.
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CHC is a charismatic church, so they are more daring in their conversion efforts and they are much more emotional which makes them easy to attract emotional vulnerable members of our society
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what differentiates these unrecognized branches of christianity of the recognized ones?
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I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get across. Let me just give you a concrete example.

A recognises B because in A's beliefs/teachings/understanding/universe/reality, B shares the core beliefs/teachings/understandings/universe/reality of A's. They differ only slightly in very non-core issues.

Then comes C. C has a core that is so different from A and B that when A and B examines C's core, they do no see any semblance to theirs and so do not consider C and part of themselves. C can of course tell A and B that I am just like you(A & B). A and B doesn't have to buy what C is saying right?

Have you done special relativity? Understand the concept of reference frame?

Now something more tangible. A core Christian belief is the belief in the Trinity. The LDS church doesn't believe in the Trinity. So even though the LDS considers itself as Christian. The other churches who believe in the Trinity do not consider the LDS as a Christian church.

If you are a muslim, you probably would find this example easier to understand.

The ahmadis consider themselves muslims, but the sunnis don't. One point of diversion is that. Mainstream muslims believe that Muhammad is the last prophet, that is a tenet in islam, no if's no but's. The ahmadis believe that the founder of their movement is a sub-prophet to Muhammad. You see where we are getting at now?



QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 02:47 PM)
Not arguing but warning just how easy some crooks abuse church/belief system to profits themselves. Church = Business?

Even Jesus hated those greedy traders selling items at church compound and chased them all away. "Do not mess my Father's house you XXX" Hey maybe Jesus cursed a lot too who knows eh!
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Temple.

Orang yahudi takda gereja punya.......
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CHC is a charismatic church, so they are more daring in their conversion efforts and they are much more emotional which makes them easy to attract emotional vulnerable members of our society
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CHC is youth oriented. why are they only trying to attract youths?
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CHC is youth oriented. why are they only trying to attract youths?
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Last time I go China, I went to a underground house church for university students, a lot of them were party members laugh.gif
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Just like this BR1M. Saying this in Chinese,

rice still eat, wine still drink, money still take, election time, vote the opposition.

For the mainlanders, do/say whatever the party demands, then go home and say sorry to God.


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why are there getting more and more christian mazhab around the world?

heck even in malaysia some previously unknown ones like harvest church is getting more and more popular here.
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Why are there more and more colleges/universities popping up in KL?
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The church that took 2 decades to finally be built. Due to its location which is around shah alam industrial area it is said to look as a factory.

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I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get across. Let me just give you a concrete example.

A recognises B because in A's beliefs/teachings/understanding/universe/reality, B shares the core beliefs/teachings/understandings/universe/reality of A's. They differ only slightly in very non-core issues.

Then comes C. C has a core that is so different from A and B that when A and B examines C's core, they do no see any semblance to theirs and so do not consider C and part of themselves. C can of course tell A and B that I am just like you(A & B). A and B doesn't have to buy what C is saying right?

Have you done special relativity? Understand the concept of reference frame?

Now something more tangible. A core Christian belief is the belief in the Trinity. The LDS church doesn't believe in the Trinity. So even though the LDS considers itself as Christian. The other churches who believe in the Trinity do not consider the LDS as a Christian church.

If you are a muslim, you probably would find this example easier to understand.

The ahmadis consider themselves muslims, but the sunnis don't. One point of diversion is that. Mainstream muslims believe that Muhammad is the last prophet, that is a tenet in islam, no if's no but's. The ahmadis believe that the founder of their movement is a sub-prophet to Muhammad. You see where we are getting at now?
Temple.

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nah... im an ex-christian.

i mean i dont get why some are so jumpy to denounce other mazhab to be not of christianity when the fact that they do recognized / worship / respect jesus christ? it's called a system of faith for a reason. in this case, they put their faith in jesus. and as to how they conduct their masses/prayers/understandings its really up to them.

there are bigger differences between A and B. eg: some mazhab dont do sign of the cross, some dont do communion giving (bread), some dont do confessions, some dont eat pork/seafood, some dont believe 25th december is the day of the birth of christ, some dont follow the 7 sacred sacraments, etc etc.

to me, A, B, and C are all different.
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Just like this BR1M. Saying this in Chinese,

rice still eat, wine still drink, money still take, election time, vote the opposition.

For the mainlanders, do/say whatever the party demands, then go home and say sorry to God.
Why are there more and more colleges/universities popping up in KL?
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The church that took 2 decades to finally be built. Due to its location which is around shah alam industrial area it is said to look as a factory.

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such a shame have to build like that.
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When they deviate from the original teachings then it is deemed ajaran sesat. Mormons, SDA, JW all these are false preachers. Those prosperity gospel also
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When they deviate from the original teachings then it is deemed ajaran sesat. Mormons, SDA, JW all these are false preachers. Those prosperity gospel also
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the taking of the holy communion, or the act of confessions for example are part of the original teaching. almost all other mazhab dont practice these. so do they deemed to be ajaran sesat as well?
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 2 2013, 03:44 PM)
What to do? But a simple neon wordings on the wall could make a difference and from far you know it's a church. Don't blame the building it's long done but some changes just enough lah
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That picture the of the front church was still under construction. Nearly a decade ago. Currently it looks like the above pic.
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nah... im an ex-christian.

i mean i dont get why some are so jumpy to denounce other mazhab to be not of christianity when the fact that they do recognized / worship / respect jesus christ? it's called a system of faith for a reason. in this case, they put their faith in jesus. and as to how they conduct their masses/prayers/understandings its really up to them.

there are bigger differences between A and B. eg: some mazhab dont do sign of the cross, some dont do communion giving (bread), some dont do confessions, some dont eat pork/seafood, some dont believe 25th december is the day of the birth of christ, some dont follow the 7 sacred sacraments, etc etc.

to me, A, B, and C are all different.
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If you don't understand, then I guess you could go do your own research on this.

I don't agree with your assessment. Just because a faith features Jesus doesn't make it Christian. Jesus makes an appearance in Islam and the Bahai faith too, are they Christian? The Eschatology, Christology, Theology of Islam, Bahai and Christianity are different and so they are not the same.

Doing a sign of the cross is not a fundamental tenet. All mainstream Christian churches share the bread, they only differ in the significance of it. Catholic, Orthodox, some Anglican, Lutheran and others believe in the physical presence of Jesus in the Host. The rest do not, but still partake communion in every service as a remembrance of His sacrifice. Confessions are not a core tenet of Christianity again. Eating or not eating pork is not a core tenet again. The date for Christmas is not an issue at all, it was a pagan festival but it's no longer a feast of the winter solstice, but a celebration of the birth of Jesus. e celebrate the Agong's birthday on the 6 of June, does it mean all our agong's were born on the 6 of June?

All these churches however believe and agree in one thing....that is there are 3 persons in one God. I am not sure if you have heard of the Nicean Creed, it's a good summary of Christianity. Of course, not all Christians have the same regard for it, some take it as infallible, some take it as authoritative, some take it as less authoritative etc. But they all believe that Jesus was divine, is divine and will always be divine. The LDS and JW's do not.


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such a shame have to build like that.
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What's important is one can worship, a the shape of the building is not important. It's nice to have a church with a nicer architecture but it's not important.

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Meh...who goes to church these days anyway..
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I wonder...

Since the government or whoever says that churches can't look like the traditional church hence new churches look like factories (or a building with something to hide)... imagine in the future when those serong-government led anti-Christianity extremists aka konco-konco Ibrahim Ali accuse Christians here of secretly opening churches here and there.
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