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G_KeN
post Mar 2 2013, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2013, 01:58 PM)
Protestants are Christians. You don't think so?

There are some churches that are not considered Christian by mainstream Christianity despite what they might claim to be. The LDS church and the JW's are some of the examples. I.e. the baptism carried out in these communities are not valid. That is to say if you were a mormon and then you became an anglican, you will need to be baptised. However, if you were a Baptist and you became a catholic later on, your baptism is valid.

Having Jesus Christ featured prominently in one's church doesn't mean it is Christian. The LDS view of Jesus is completely different from the 'mainstream' Christian view.
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in the end they are still considered as Christians. just becoz 1 mazhab has too many differences in comparison with another mazhab doesnt mean that said mazhab is not part of christianity.

just like how orthodox christian is still considered as christian.
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post Mar 2 2013, 02:29 PM

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if one mazhab claim themselves to be of christian even though they are being ousted by mainsteam christians, they are still christian.

it's called faith.
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post Mar 2 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Mar 2 2013, 02:28 PM)
Where is this? How come I dunno wan?
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post Mar 2 2013, 02:40 PM

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wait, why are we arguing whether or not certain christian mazhab really are branches of christianity?
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post Mar 2 2013, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2013, 02:37 PM)
No need.

If want to discuss, then go to christianforums.com
This is what you think. You and other people can audit and list out which community is Christian or otherwise. No one can stop you from doing that. Just as the LDS can say that they are Christian, no one can stop them from that. Whether this 'recognition' is extended by one's peers is another matter. This is precisely the situation that we are in now.

Anyone can start a university and say that it is a university, as to whether that 'university' is regarded as a university by other universities/governments/groups is another topic altogether.

Orthodox Christians is Christians.

The history of Christendom is really rich. Unfortunately, not many people care to know about it-which is fine if one doesn't have an interest. This would necessarily mean that one will only have an elementary knowledge of Christendom, frequently punctuated with 'I thought it was like this or like that' scenarios. Just an example, does anybody really know what papal infallibility means? The most common misconception is that whatever the pope says is infallible.....which is of course not true. Can't be blame, even some catholics believe that the pope confesses only to God, which is again wrong, the pope also has a confessor, who is just another priest like him.
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what differentiates these unrecognized branches of christianity of the recognized ones?
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post Mar 2 2013, 03:03 PM

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why are there getting more and more christian mazhab around the world?

heck even in malaysia some previously unknown ones like harvest church is getting more and more popular here.
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post Mar 2 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 2 2013, 03:05 PM)
CHC is a charismatic church, so they are more daring in their conversion efforts and they are much more emotional which makes them easy to attract emotional vulnerable members of our society
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CHC is youth oriented. why are they only trying to attract youths?
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post Mar 2 2013, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2013, 03:12 PM)
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get across. Let me just give you a concrete example.

A recognises B because in A's beliefs/teachings/understanding/universe/reality, B shares the core beliefs/teachings/understandings/universe/reality of A's. They differ only slightly in very non-core issues.

Then comes C. C has a core that is so different from A and B that when A and B examines C's core, they do no see any semblance to theirs and so do not consider C and part of themselves. C can of course tell A and B that I am just like you(A & B). A and B doesn't have to buy what C is saying right?

Have you done special relativity? Understand the concept of reference frame?

Now something more tangible. A core Christian belief is the belief in the Trinity. The LDS church doesn't believe in the Trinity. So even though the LDS considers itself as Christian. The other churches who believe in the Trinity do not consider the LDS as a Christian church.

If you are a muslim, you probably would find this example easier to understand.

The ahmadis consider themselves muslims, but the sunnis don't. One point of diversion is that. Mainstream muslims believe that Muhammad is the last prophet, that is a tenet in islam, no if's no but's. The ahmadis believe that the founder of their movement is a sub-prophet to Muhammad. You see where we are getting at now?
Temple.

Orang yahudi takda gereja punya.......
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nah... im an ex-christian.

i mean i dont get why some are so jumpy to denounce other mazhab to be not of christianity when the fact that they do recognized / worship / respect jesus christ? it's called a system of faith for a reason. in this case, they put their faith in jesus. and as to how they conduct their masses/prayers/understandings its really up to them.

there are bigger differences between A and B. eg: some mazhab dont do sign of the cross, some dont do communion giving (bread), some dont do confessions, some dont eat pork/seafood, some dont believe 25th december is the day of the birth of christ, some dont follow the 7 sacred sacraments, etc etc.

to me, A, B, and C are all different.
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post Mar 2 2013, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2013, 03:19 PM)
Just like this BR1M. Saying this in Chinese,

rice still eat, wine still drink, money still take, election time, vote the opposition.

For the mainlanders, do/say whatever the party demands, then go home and say sorry to God.
Why are there more and more colleges/universities popping up in KL?
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because uni/colleges are a good investment. students invest thousands of ringgit to get their education when one actually can get the same amount of education from overdue few ringgits reference books.
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post Mar 2 2013, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(replymela @ Mar 2 2013, 03:42 PM)
When they deviate from the original teachings then it is deemed ajaran sesat. Mormons, SDA, JW all these are false preachers. Those prosperity gospel also
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the taking of the holy communion, or the act of confessions for example are part of the original teaching. almost all other mazhab dont practice these. so do they deemed to be ajaran sesat as well?

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