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wongmunkeong
post May 7 2013, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ May 7 2013, 06:27 PM)
MYR strengthen causes offshore funds to drop?
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my guess is - Foreign Exchange concern

ie. some stocks are held in USD / EU / SGD or others
thus, when converting to a strong MYR, it becomes "lower"

similar thing happened to my SG REITs when i convert to MYR (down in "converted to MYR" terms)
however, if i view them as SGD, no down.

Just a thought - may be other causation notworthy.gif
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post May 15 2013, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 14 2013, 09:31 PM)
Hwang Asia Quantum messed up my portfolio vmad.gif

See cry.gif
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laugh.gif 2.77% off tangent from your target/planned holding % only mar
when it goes like 20%+/- to 30%+/- off tangent, then only be happy and force a rebalance lar drool.gif (buy lelong OR sell great run)

Just a thought notworthy.gif
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post May 15 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ May 15 2013, 11:11 AM)
I did experience quite a big loss by putting all egg in one basket. Public smallcap fund lost 50k in 2011. But now it has recovered. The fund has a good very good fundamental and good track record. The best fund in PM. But it could make u loss big time.

Another obsevation is that, keep significant cash. During early euro debt crisis, KLCi slump to 13xx level, only bought little because expect it will drop further. Me and sifu wong standby that time. Too bad it rebounds.  laugh.gif  doh.gif

Japan earthquake, market drop. But rebound so quickly with natural resources dominate the market. Thailand flood no effect.

Recent GE13, didnt do much sell or buy. But expect it will drop because nobody know who will win. I did research on past GE events, proven drop everytime. But this time it rallied like mad.

Conclusion, stop speculating. Keep significant cash in case market drop.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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mid-end 2011 slump? i remember it well - that's when my FORCED asset re-allocation trigger kicked in and i went gungho on REITs + some other equities (mainly REITs). Still in cloud-9 now for those transactions laugh.gif

Luck = opportunity + readiness
Thank God for luck notworthy.gif

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post May 15 2013, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 15 2013, 11:52 AM)
Luck comes to those with abilities notworthy.gif
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laugh.gif abilities during my zzz or fantasizing of certain AV stars yar lar

for investing, to me, there's too many variables - thus i took an idiot-proof method of:
a. overall control structure (Asset Allocation and forced re-allocation triggers & amount )

b. 2 methodologies
+programmatic (DCA / VCA) so that no fear/greed to cloud my simplistic mind
+opportunistic (trend/value) to satisfy ego/hunger for tweaking

c. split my estimated quarterly & yearly resources between the two methodologies

Thus, if i try to screw up or my methodologies screw up, there's a plan B / safety net of AA to control tongue.gif
ie. God, please protect us from ourselves please laugh.gif
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post May 15 2013, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 15 2013, 05:25 PM)
ini...u have to buy sifu wongmunkeong a dozen of cappucinos and espressos tongue.gif
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Pinky also ada the concept liao.

Bottom line - IMHO, it's our "personal economy" that we shd be triggered, NOT the world's or markets' economy triggers.

eg.
based on Pinky's concept of:
Planned Asset Allocation to hold (AA)
50% equity: 50% fixed income
AND rebalancing if lari 10% of planned:

1. Trigger for FORCED rebalancing is when actual Equity holdings is
a. ABOVE 50%*(1+10%)
or
b. BELOW 50%*(1-10%)

2. Based on Trigger 1(a.) - he can forceably SWITCH OUT / SELL Equities down back to Planned 50%
or if not too gung-ho, perhaps SWITCH / SELL Equities down to 52.50%, just in case rise even higher/more value to sell

3. Based on Trigger 1(b.) - he can forceably SWITCH IN / BUY Equities up back to Planned 50%
or if not too gung-ho, perhaps SWITCH / SELL Equities up to 47.50%, just in case fall even cheaper/more value to buy

Reasoning above:
All our holding's "value" is already determined by markets' forces.
Why hunt one by one market & asset class to determine the trigger?

A more complicated version of the above = add in sub-asset allocation & foreign vs domestic allocation tongue.gif

Just a thought notworthy.gif

eh - BOMBASTIC ka?
simple common Yinglish lar - bombastic will mean i bring out shake(my)spear thee thy thou spake etc doh.gif

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post May 15 2013, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 15 2013, 05:55 PM)
salah salah salah

I don't sell/switch out equities in a rally, I top up bond funds if that happens tongue.gif
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eg only mar - rebalance can be lessening one side OR adding to the other.
U & yr Dr Cr tongue.gif
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post May 16 2013, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ May 16 2013, 07:37 AM)
That is not quite the same. Kaka's forced rebalancing is more like it. The downside with the above normal rebalancing is your portfolio would suffer drawdown as the market move downward and you keep rebalancing. This is like doing dollar cost averaging in a negative way and you don't want to do this in a big market crash as the bottom could be very deep. Using forced rebalancing, you actually lock your portfolio value in fixed income and wait for market to start recovery before moving it back to equity to take advantage of the low NAV.
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Bro - trigger concept lar.

Put in your own trigger + planned actions based on:
1. Whether U are into bottom fishing (ie. buy more equities when equities tank significantly or buy more bonds when bonds tank significantly)
2. Whether U are into loss cutting
or heck
3. Whether U are into buy high and sell higher

forest, trees neh doh.gif

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post May 16 2013, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ May 16 2013, 08:23 AM)
The most important thing is not when to get in but when to get out. If you listen to news or analyst etc., they will tell you when to buy but never when to sell. If you know when to sell you'll cut your loses short. Housing may not be a good example as it is not easy to liquidate. With stock or UT, you don't want to keep your stock during downturn as you can make better use of the cash during this period. Also if you lose your job during this recession, your money go stuck in the equity.

For exampe, if you have rm100k in UT, 50K in fix & 50K in equity. When market went down by 10% on equity side, you forced rebalance to 20-80. Now you have rm19k in equity and 76k in fixed. If market went down worst case by 50% on equity side, your UT value is now rm11.5k in equity and rm76k in fixed, total 87.5k. I'm assuming fixed income did not suffer drawdown just for illustration.

Now, example if you use normal rebalancing. When market down by 10% in equity, you perform normal rebalance. Let see how the value ended up by the time market went down by 50%. 10% (47.5k fixed,47.5k equity), 20% (45k,45k), 30%(43k, 43k), 40%(41k,41k) and finally 50%(39k,39k).

If you follow normal rebalancing you ended up with about rm78k versus if you force rebalance, you still have rm87.5k. I stand corrected if my math is out a bit  whistling.gif
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Sounds more like "Forced cut-loss" / "flight to safety", rather than "forced re-balancing". Re-balancing - "to bring back to balance or planned" right?
anyhow, semantics only, pardon my Yinglish Nazi-sm notworthy.gif


IMHO, the concept works fine... IF kaka really hits the fan, ie. a drop of 40% or more.

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What if AFTER one cuts lost
eg. shifting from Equities 50: Fixed Income 50
to a defensive stance of Equities 20: Fixed Income 80 triggered by a mere 10% fall in equities
AND
the equity market rises, like in mid-late 2011?

Using similar concept of cut-loss / flight to safety but even upping the trigger to 20% fall in equities
same kaka as above or may be even worse in terms of cost of switching + opportunity lost
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My point of thoughts are:
1. How many times, when the equities market falls, it fall BEYOND 30%?

2. Being a worker (ie work for $), my major point is that i'm just allocating $ into a few asset classes (and regions).
Thus, like allocating my grocery shopping $.
eg.
For meat - i'd buy chicken if it's cheaper/more value VS lamb, or vice-versa
thus, translating into investment vehicles,
i'd buy equity funds if it's of more value VS fixed income funds.
When will A be of more value than B?
When A's cost (ie price) has fallen enough.

Just a personal thought concept yar - investing and trading is a mix of art & science. No perfect right/wrong approach notworthy.gif
If it's just art - i'll be dead in the water (my EQ sucks sweat.gif )
If it's just science/maths - all the ivory tower professors & accountants will be multi-millionaires tongue.gif

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post May 23 2013, 02:16 PM

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Just to share:
Emailed FSM on "Transfer-In Your Holdings & Enjoy 2x The Rewards" promo http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3404

Asked: Can i utilize the "discount of 1% SC for investments up to the amount transferred" (ends Dec 2013) together with
a. 1% token, thus 0% service charge?
b. silver/gold status discount, thus 0.75% or 0.5% service charge?

Jennifer called
a. & b. tak boleh (ie. cannot piggyback)

UPDATES - kaka... doh.gif total miscommunication for item 1 & 2. (deleted) as i clarified item by item, process by process with Eugene.
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Oh well.. market STILL crashing + i've a few 1% tokens to use... sweat.gif


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post May 24 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 24 2013, 11:52 AM)
Haha.. Still baby

How much is the return for this sspn? Buy from banks?
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SSPN opening & running
1. go to any SSPN selling banks
2. bring cash (min $20 or $30, pls check PTPTN's SSPN website) and open SSPN a/c (joint - U + child)
3. future top ups do online via MBB Online and other banks ok-ed by PTPTN.

SSPN returns - similar to 1 year's FD+/- %

SSPN other oomph IMOH:
1. tax relief up to $6000 per tax payer
ie. if i'm @ 26% tax bracket, my partner is @20%, and we have 1 child
me & child = Joint a/c A, tax relief $6K *26%
partner & child = Joint a/c B (ie. a different a/c), tax relief $6K *20%

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