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post Mar 30 2013, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 30 2013, 10:43 AM)
Means 11% cash...

OSK-UOB also takut GE laugh.gif

Btw, Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah also cash-heavy at 20%+  as at 28-Feb-13 hmm.gif
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I prefer UT go full gung ho, no need keep cash. If I want some in cash portion might as well switch some to bond fund... tongue.gif

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post Mar 30 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(kangwoo @ Mar 30 2013, 01:07 PM)
my funds :

OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust      22.37% 
OSK-UOB Growth And Income Focus Trust    16.66%
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust                              32.77%
OSK-UOB Smart Balanced Fund                    16.49%
OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund                        11.71%

ok? icon_question.gif
plan to transfer Smart Balanced & Smart Income to Emerging Opportunity & KidSave
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All the same holdings, you need to diversify all your risk. You are having 5 eggs in one basket. You need to have 5 eggs in 5 basket... tongue.gif
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post Mar 30 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 30 2013, 02:23 PM)
Haha.. Downturn for one yr also wait like neck going long already. More painful when u already gain alot and then come downturn wipe out everything thenwait again.
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Study shows that investor lose more staying at sideline waiting for downturn rather than the downturn itself. So it is better to stay invested at all times and ride the ups and down. Market sometimes moves in a direction that you least expected. tongue.gif
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post Mar 30 2013, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 30 2013, 03:26 PM)
The pain and agony of seeing red when u udate ur portfolio will be stressful. Haha..

Hence my approach will rebalance my portfolio yearly or when necessary
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If invest for the long term no need to stress when see red. Instead it is an oppurtunity to buy at great prices.

There are people who panic when they see red, but others rejoice at mega sale when red. If you can do the latter, you would havd better chance to do well over the long term.

If your favorite shop give mega sale, you will sure buy buy buy...... but when come to investment why think the other way?
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post Mar 31 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 11:20 AM)
No Meleisia tax  icon_rolleyes.gif
So all invest in UTs?  hmm.gif
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If you are not taxable in Malaysia (ie you pay SG tax) please beware that all dividend/income you receive MUST pay flat non-deductible 26% tax for non-resident taxpayer. Please declare accordingly using LHDN Form M.

Or you can choose to take UT with zero dividend payout... rclxms.gif

http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfborang/Form_M2012_2.pdf

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post Mar 31 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 11:00 AM)
Yeah I do make compulsory monthly contribution on UTs. Do I need to put in PRS fund or just normal UT?
If PRS, then 70% will be locked, 30% premature withdrawal at 8% tax.
Or I just invest in normal funds eh  smile.gif
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As a non-resident taxpayer you cannot deduct the RM3k from your tax for PRS, all tax are non deductible at flat rate of 26%.

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post Mar 31 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 12:29 PM)
Unker gark, I may be wrong but this is my understanding...

When companies pay dividends, it deduct tax so that shareholders get the net amount after tax. E.g. gross RM1m, net RM750K
UT receive the dividend, it is recognised at the gross amount on the P&L/Income Statement e.g. RM1m, then tax expense of RM250K appear just before the bottom line net income.
If the unitholder is already taxed at the max tier, it makes no difference whether the UT distribute dividend or not...

Pls enlighten me if ayam wrong notworthy.gif
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UT/Dividend is taxed at 25%, and you can claim some back if you are Malaysian tax resident (after minus all your entitlements, epf, insurance, kids etc), also your tax is on increasing basis (first 10k, next 20 k etc etc).

Non-resident tax payer have to pay 1% more if they are already taxed at 25% and cannot minus ANY entitlement and at flat rate.

I know because i pay the stupid Form M tax every year... vmad.gif mad.gif vmad.gif mad.gif

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post Mar 31 2013, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 12:34 PM)
Ok, so for small ant employees like me, it makes little difference. But for bigshot offshore-based Malaysian residents like u, it makes a difference. Noted tongue.gif
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That is why i only invest in UT with zero distribution, save all 26%... tongue.gif

The tax applies to all income in Malaysia including rental, commission, dividend, trading, royalty etc etc. The only exemption is interest and capital gains (but not rpgt)... sweat.gif
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post Mar 31 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 12:38 PM)
Haaa I Malaysian need to pay 26% tax as non-resident taxpayer??

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Yes foreign income received by Malaysian tax resident is exempt from tax, this is true.

Malaysian income received by non-Malaysian tax resident is tax at 26%.

See the difference between these two? tongue.gif
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post Mar 31 2013, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 12:39 PM)
Tax is already charged at the fund level... sleep.gif
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The tax in UT is for dividend received (now single tier no tax already), the dividend from UT CAN include capital gains which is otherwise not taxable...if they declare dividend everything is now taxable. doh.gif
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post Mar 31 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 12:42 PM)
So, are u a MY tax resident? unsure.gif
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No, I am not MY tax resident....thats why i declare form M..
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post Mar 31 2013, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 12:42 PM)
That means I am exempted by tax? Banyak blur sudah.

Since I pay SG tax, impossible I pay MY tax also.. double taxation.  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Go ask LHDN for coffee session, they would welcome you... laugh.gif

You pay SG tax for income received in SG.

You pay MY tax for income recieved in MY.

No double tax what, separated already.. think can lari ah? tongue.gif

Are you playing SG tax as a resident or non-resident? If resident in SG, means Malaysia you are non-resident.

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post Mar 31 2013, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 12:45 PM)
Yeah, in the future, more and more UTs won't see tax charge already. Like now I'm reading the annual report of Pacific Global Stars Fund, at tax expense column...ZERO. Cos now more and more Malaysian companies already reverted to single-tier divvy. Foreign dividends not taxable, right?
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Foreign dividend not taxable in Malaysia but can be taxable via witholding tax at source.

See now you understand how i have to pay 26% extra tax for UT dividend. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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post Mar 31 2013, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 12:54 PM)
Cons - Ppl on lower tax brackets cannot claim back the tax credit
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Good for me... whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

Last year i have to pay 1% tax on the old style dividend received.. thank god some changed to single tier already. laugh.gif

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post Mar 31 2013, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 01:00 PM)
Itu pak cik tau Malay?  brows.gif
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Tau... apa tak tau?.. SPM BM score A1 punya. tongue.gif
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post Apr 2 2013, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 2 2013, 06:04 PM)
It's very unusual for a fund (even equity fund) to drop 5% in a day. Unless the fund is a very focused fund with less than 10 underlying stockholding and most of them kaboom-ed. laugh.gif
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A lot of HK/China bond funds kaboom recently due to higher interest rate hike recently... but it should not be so severe.

CIMB usually pays out dividend by March.. so it's probably dividend payment.

Most probably not a good time to be in bonds now. sweat.gif
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post Apr 6 2013, 09:59 PM

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Pinky, dont you think you have too much bond? Only 33% equity.

Since you are young, perhaps you need more equity exposure..... tongue.gif
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post Apr 6 2013, 11:04 PM

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Even 50 % bond is too high for young chap like you. At young age can take some risk mah, somore you have time on your side.

Btw, i am not pakcik lah, not that old yet. tongue.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 8 2013, 03:25 PM)
NK go to war = end of regime Profit!
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post Apr 8 2013, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 8 2013, 07:55 AM)
Goodness... eh, let unker Wong take U go massage massage lar, or Spa with mirrors and stuff, then U build-up resistance tongue.gif
Sorry mods.. off topic  notworthy.gif
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sweat.gif Seems like wong sifu very experience one oh...

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