misunderstood me much,i just want to process filiino logic on this matter la

Philippine news is infested with fanatics also la

They're like Perkasa but pinoy version.

TS should realise also when digesting pinoy news, they have alot of fanatics there also. Perkasa type of pinoys of mostly marcos-worshipping keyboard warriors jerking off to a greater pinoy empire.

When sulu take over.. All the land will belong to sulu people and all the Sabah Malaysian will be kick out of Sulu pinoy Sabah.
So all the Sabah Malaysian people will be call stateless Malaysian and will be move to 4th citizen. Almost illegal but not..

ini mencabar kejantanan orang2 dayak/kadazan/bajau!!!!

kalau benar terjadi, etnik2 lain dalam sabah takder telor ke utk menentang sulu & pinoy terutamanya???

so much with their potong kepala warrior

you be suprise my friend

Grant by Sultan of Sulu of territories and lands on the mainland of the island of Borneo

On 22 January 1878, an agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and British commercial syndicate (Alfred Dent and Baron von Overback), which stipulated that North Borneo was either ceded or leased (depending on translation used) to the British syndicate in return for payment of 5000 Malayan Dollar per year. On 22 April 1903 His Majesty Sultan Jamalul Kiram signed a document known as "Confirmation of cession of certain islands", under what he either "grant and ceded" or "leased" additional islands in the neighbourhood of the mainland of North Borneo from Banggi Island to Sibuku Bay to British North Borneo Company. The sum 5,000 dollars a year payable every year increased to 5,300 dollars a year payable every year.



British version

“ ... hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London...and assigns for ever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands being tritutary to us on the mainland of the island of Borneo commencing from the Pandassan River

on the north-west coast and extending along the whole east coast as far as the Sibuco River in the south and comprising amongst other the States of Paitan, Sugut, Bangaya, Labuk, Sandakan, Kina Batangan, Mumiang, and all the other territories and states to the southward thereof bordering on Darvel Bay and as far as the Sibuco river with all the islands within three marine leagues of the coast.[6]



Sulu version

“ ...do hereby lease of our own freewill and satisfaction to...all the territories and lands being tributary to [us] together with their heirs, associates, successors and assigns forever and until the end of time, all rights and powers which we possess over all territories and lads tributary to us on the mainland of the Island of Borneo, commencing from the Pandassan River on the west coast to Maludu Bay, and extending along the whole east coast as far as Sibuco River on the south,..., and all the other territories and states to the southward thereof bordering on Darvel Bay and as far as the Sibuco River, ..., [9 nautical miles] of the coast." ”


The key word in both the agreements was "padjak", which has been translated by American, Dutch and Spanish linguists to mean "lease" or "arrendamiento". The British nevertheless takes the word "padjak" to mean "grant and cede".It can be argued however, that "padjak" means "mortgage" or "pawn" or even "wholesale", as per the contemporary meaning of "padjak" in Sulu. This indicates that the agreement was actually a contract in which the Sultan of Sulu placed the land as mortgage/perpetual lease in return for a loan of Malayan Dollar 5300 per year until perpetuity.

Every year, the Malaysian Embassy in the Philippines issues a check in the amount of 5,300 ringgit (about 77,000 Philippine pesos) to the legal counsel of the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu. Malaysia considers the amount an annual “cession” payment for the disputed state, while the sultan’s descendants consider it “rent.”



SOS KICAP

then prove it!!!!

especially to the marcos-worshipper-pinoys as they are the one who cucuk2 the fake sulu sultan

hurt the hand that feed the sulus with money & weapons..if the hand who feed the sulu are bleed, then the sulus will go back to mindanao..no need to kill them anymore

This post has been edited by keown83: Feb 27 2013, 04:38 PM

TS is a pinoy...

yes,im a spy for the Excellency Sultan Kiram

you got me good

Hmnn TS so rajin to google all those docs

Now...Earlier we read "Ceded" and now this docs showed "Leased" mana ini?

Where is the ori manuscript wth the Sultab seal in arabic...That wan seems more legit

This post has been edited by stimix: Feb 27 2013, 04:58 PM

BTW, Now I only know Kinabatangan river derived from "China-Balangan"

wahh..later sure you'll be the crony one...
can songlap everywhere....very gooding...

he budak lg,too many history stil blurry for him

Sultan kiram wrote to sultan brunei, sultan brunei pun malas mau layan.

This post has been edited by Einjahr: Feb 27 2013, 04:51 PM

Actually the sulu sultan wrote LEASE in Jawi but got lost in translation by the British or the British deliberately put CEDE in the document which mean handing Sabah to Malaysia.

Just a small mistake in word can change it all.

That's why we need better googel search to find the original arabic docs

agreed

brunei also should claim large part of sarawak & sabah now what

the long-history Malay sultanate of Brunei!!!

sulu no more exist, so invalid