hi all,
any camry 2.0g owner can share what are possible problem you face with your car.

realiability, maintenance cost ?

I dont think ull have any issues with reliability or maintenance. Besides, all the owners of the current Camry are still new so they wont be able to tell you anything credible about the car. But why would u wanna waste your money on that car? There are much better options out there compared to an overpriced car with a 10 yr old engine and gearbox and a boring design. Go for the new Mazda 6 and dont waste your time with this Camry.

i'd go for altis 2.0 rather than camry 2.0. new engine..new gearbox..got stability control.

They are one Toyota and mostly Camry owner setup a group in FB, u will get most feedback and help over they. any body can join it if u interest.

Are you kidding, ALTIS! How could you compare the Altis with Camry, interior space Altis is totally out, too small, even compare to other C-segment like Civic, Sylphy.... Altis is time to get a whole new car.

i duno y u still wana consider Camry?? so many cars around esp K5 and u still wana buy the old car of 10 years tech, no VSC, empty spec.. get the K5...

Camry is a nice and comfortable car. I don't think that 10 years old engine and gearbox will bring you any problem in the future.
Like chinese say . 'doesn't matter the idea is old or very old, the most important is the idea can run smooth'.

There is a Camry owner who is organizing groups to go to Toyota to complain about their cars. Not sure if his is the new one, but he is not happy. Got problems, and Toyota is unable to fix them. He seems to be not the only one.

I do think it matters if the idea is old, when it puts your life at risk. At the price of a Camry you can expect much better protection. The car should help you avoid accidents. And in the case of an accident it should protect you. The Camry does neither.

If comfort is what you are after, Citroen C5. Might still have discount, putting it in the price range of the Camry 2.0. Space, workmanship, premium feel? Skoda Superb, but the list price is of course high. But not as high as its competitors, the E class and 5 series.

And of course there is the K5, Mondeo, Passat, 508, Sonata, Mazda 6. All are better cars.

thanks, i have been asking the same question to myself many times, why buying or considering this old engine,low spec, and so on.
very tempting to get mazda 6, but worry local machanic wont' know how to repair it as i stay in kampung area, very frequent travel to outstation.

old engine have been around for 12 years, what could be the disadvantage of it ? FC, ppl claim ard 9 - 10/l
, Honda a little better than it .
the only thing is no VSC, i checked ard,, teana,honda 2.0 also dn't have.

hope i can be a bit more younger, i will sure go for mazda 6.

I see. Any other brands got SC in your area? I don't like going to outside workshops, since I went to one the whole car is rattling, central locking is damaged in parts, etc. Even with a Camry they may screw up.

No VSC and only 2 airbags. That's the same level as the Saga FLX+ or Myvi.

If it has to be a Camry... last gen 2.4? 4 airbags and VSC (unlike the new 2.5). Better deal.

thanks,,
in that cse, will accord 2.0vti-l a better choice ?
i hv honda and toyota sc near my area.

actually went tested both, honda ride is so so only..

Go to test drive the new updated 2013 Nissan Teana, seem like very promising plus newly added blind spot radar warning plus new black interior.

thats why toyota can sell camry..ppl always looking for a size without realizing tht camry is using old vvti with old 4 speeder. pls check altis 2.0..smaller than camry..use new dual vvti..new cvt..of course will give better fc. i'm not comparing size..but looking at the spec, of course altis is better with stability control. even new civic is using old r20 engine and sylphy got no stability control and using rear drum brake.

3 years warranty and maintenance worry for what not like have to pay anything also

Come2. M6 waiting for u. Go to this site
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2707486/+120

last gen camry 2.4v still runs on 2 balloons only laaaa

Mazda salesman spotted!

Brw, I'm his colleague

how much is Mazda 6 now ? any discount ?

Don't think so. They are selling rather well.

If you don't like the Accord ride, I'd suggest the Citroen C5. But out of stock, and the new distributor is not interested in selling cars.

Maybe Mondeo?

thanks all, maybe this weekend i go test test Teana, initially thinking to buy this but found out sharing same engine with splphy, and 300kg more heavier,, kind of confuse,, does it hv enuf power,,,

let me test drive it ,, just need a reliable machine to bring me from A to B. Comfort is my first priority.

btw, anyone know Is teana having better safety feature than camry ? am looking at 2.0 ..

Forget teana. Trust me. Come join us. M6 if book now still got chance to have it in march.

Teana 2.0 is just as bad as Camry 2.0, and worse than Camry 2.5 (albeit only slightly). Teana 2.5 is better, similar level as Passat, Mondeo, 508, C5, Mazda 6.

Are you sure you want to buy that overpriced piece of junk metal?
Since you mentioned very frequent travel to outstation, don't risk your life by driving that junk!
Read this [thread & report] to know more about IIHS small-overlap crash test done on 2012-13 Toyota Camry.








Photos credit to:


Slippery road after rain + corner + speeding + no VSC = KABOOM!
The RHS fender and strut assembly wracked. Likely oversteer and crashed at lower speed.
If crashed at higher speed, driver's legs definitely gone!



The new IIHS small-overlap crash test set new standard for safety and really eye opening.
TS, please make wise decision!

I don't think it will be much better safety features compare to Camry.

If talks about the safety features, Suzuki Kizashi and New Mazda 6 pawn both of them (of course other conti brand as well), beside the usual ABS, EBD & BA, Suzuki Kizashi 2.4l and Mazda 6 2.0l had 6 airbags + ESP + TC as well.

Suzuki Kizashi base spec even cheaper than Camry 2.0E, just that the car size is smaller compare to the rivals, and it did pass the new IIHS small overlap test compare against Camry (see result posted by bubble ring).

Mazda 6 is using new engine "Skyactiv", unlike other conti brand that use turbocharger to boost the engine power, this engine is still a normal NA engine, but the compression ratio had been increased and using petrol direct injection (the injector head is inside the engine cylinder instead of putting near the intake valve of the engine) to increase the fuel efficiency of the engine.

Just go to test drive the Teana and I'm sure you will be amazed by this car. And if not mistaken, the Teana 2.0 safety feature is just the same as Camry 2.5, 2 airbags, EBD, ABS and BA. If you are looking for more safety features, then 2.5 is the best bet, 6 airbags, VDC, ABS, EBD, BA, Blind spot warning radar system.

The Teana 2.0 is same as Camry 2.0, the 2.5 has 4 airbags.

No point to buy to the car had offerred 2.5/3.0V6 and grab the smaller CC of 2.0L to present you're the boss who seat inside of D-Segment car and suffer about the weight with FC.

When not enough money to afford an going the lower models such as Civic, Altis, Elantra, Sylphy still alot to suit as you need.

This is the first time I heard such comment!!!

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2702044&hl=

Sadly, many Malaysians do not see the importance of Stability Control:

http://www.paultan.org/2012/06/27/esp-stab...-in-their-cars/


This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 22 2013, 01:29 PM

Sorry this is my point of view.

Cause most of ppls will asking about specs & FC.

Forget it of my comments ke ke.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Feb 22 2013, 01:42 PM

i hv just cancelled my booking of camry 2.0g. will wait a while and check out mazda 6 or may wait for honda 2013.
I don't hv urgency to change car,just my current car is already 9 years old, want to change a new one, that all.

thanks all for the input.

Great decision! Never rush into any purchase especially at this price range.

I would suggest you drive them all. That is Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Ford Mondeo, Peugeot 508, Citroen C5, VW Passat, Mazda 6, Kia K5, Hyundai Sonata. You should be able to exclude cars you don't like, and find the ones worth considering. Maybe you'll see that one of the less common ones is exactly what you want. So much so that you'll be willing to go through a bit of trouble, lower RV (in the D segment the differences aren't so big), etc. Or you'll think the Camry is exactly what you want, possible too, in any case later you will hopefully not regret your decision, because you have been throughout.

I have seen someone who bought a Vios, and later regretted it because the Fiesta is so much more what he wants.

good decision, 2.0E enough liao. not worth add the money for G model.

Heres a link for discussion of all major d segment excluding korean car. D segment
This might help u
Im glad u dont choose camry. Wait for m6 or accord instead!

Probably only in Malaysia a car the size of Camry/Accord/Teana etc. can be sold like peanuts with just those little 2.0 NA 4 cyl. engines! Thanks to ridiculous Malaysia road tax regulation I guess.

Ahem, no?

Ford Mondeo Ecoboost 1.0... yes, it has a turbo, but still, 1.0 3 cylinder. In the highest tune it has around 120 hp. The Passat has a 1.4 with 122 hp. Yes, you can top up and get more powerful engines, but standard engine is that 1.4. I guess the most popular engine in the Passat though is the 105 hp 1.6 TDI. And yes, this is Germany. The country where 50% of the highways have no speed limit, and people drive that way. Most people IMHO drive around 140, including small underpowered ones. Or big underpowered ones. I usually drive around 140-150 with a 75 hp C segment car. I don't think many top up to get stronger engines. The most powerful petrol engine you can have in the D segment Toyota Avensis has 152 hp. And yes, that's a 2.0.

WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU NEED 150 OR 180 HP FOR?! In Malaysia?! The country of the slowpokes. Where the speed limit is 110, people are usually way below the speed limit (rather than always above) and accelerate slower than turtles. Heck, I'm driving a brick wall with 75 hp here, and usually outaccelerate others, and usually I'm the one flashing my headlights trying to get past someone blocking the right lane. With a car as aerodynamic as your average kitchen cabinet. For the speeds I see on Malaysian roads the 1.2 liter engine from the Proton Savvy would be more than enough in D segment cars.

Hahaha, naah I would never want to own such underpowered cars! What on earth do I need 150 or 180HP for in Malaysia? Well now I'm driving >200HP 2.5ltr car everyday, already red line it many2 times (which means using the max 200HP already, right?). Now already feel bored and slow with it, and a bit regretting why I did not buy something really fast like an Evo 9 instead! Later I'm planning to search for piggy back to at least add a bit of kick to it to keep it interesting once again. I guess power is addictive, at least for me. Heck if I don't think of other more important priorities, I'd supercharged my car too and add 50% more power!

I guess the Germans are bit odd too eh. For Malaysia, I'm quite sure the stupid road tax plays a big part in shaping up people's mind here in choosing cars (big cars with smaller engines). Heck I my self if not for that stupid road tax would have opted for >3.0ltr car if going for NA engine! It does affected my choice a bit, it does not change my mind and opinion though. If not for that, quite sure those underpowered cars would not sell that well here. Like in Indonesia, there's NO Accord/Camry/Teana/CRV/X-Trail 2.0 even offered on sale! This despite the hellish traffic jams in Jakarta which makes jams here just like peanuts/kids play!

Well anyway people have their own preferences. I'm not here to stop anyone buying any cars be it underpowered, ugly, or whatever, it's not my money anyway.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Feb 23 2013, 12:05 AM

slap t or H badge..voila 'good' car already. i dont hate jap brand 100%..have to agree with their reliability but pls appreciate consumer better. give more and better spec. our roadtax structure..price bracket is different from overseas. for instance, in oz 308 turbo price more or less toyota 86..cheaper than pug 508. but in msia they pun 86 as if it's rare performance car. wtf~

Road tax increases with cc in most countries in this world I guess. Europe is no exception. Big cc means spend big. And there the fuel consumption is much more important as petrol and diesel is heavily taxed.

The reason why French car makers were never offering powerful cars was that big cc cars were taxed very heavily, so that no one would buy them. 2.5 liter is quite excessive in a D segment car.

Why do Germans buy the not so powerful versions? Simple, you think everyone is rich? Taxes are higher, and you can spend RM 40k more for the same Passat, just with a bigger engine (the rest stays exactly the same). The entry level engine, or maybe one level up is more than enough to drive fast. Maybe they are more willing to touch the accelerator than Malaysians? The underspec'ed cars here wouldn't sell there though. 6 airbags are expected as a minimum on a B segment car, ESP of course too. A D segment car that is as ridiculously dangerous as the Japanese ones sold here couldn't sell. Or cars that handle as poor as some of the Japanese ones here. You should be able to drive at least 150-200 without almost losing control due to the poor handling and steering. Don't know, maybe people here are more obsessed with numbers and the way how powerful the engine feels when you touch the accelerator only slightly?

Anyway, how fast are you driving that you redline that car? Because most people in Malaysia drive annoyingly slow.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Feb 23 2013, 04:33 AM

i must agree that reliability and cost is one of the reason why i considering jap car when buying d segment car. we already know car price in malaysia is overpriced due to tax structure, you can get better car in oversea country with the same $, but we have to pay so much here + higher spare part cost to maintain it. hence a lot of old man like me will go for T&H due to it's realiablity and cost of maintenance. In the past, didn't really look into detail on safety features of those cars. i'm they are already some safety features there,but can have more..
After reading lots of post in this forum, it has educated me the important of safety feature in a car. It is one of important aspect we must look into it when buying a car that suppose to have those feature. (price range wise), afterall, you won't know when accident will visit u.
also considering passat/golf, but the 'dsg' gearbox issue really stop me to go further. Not sure how many suffer from it, but when i search in google, seems it is a known issue and yet a perm solution not found. 508 is really nice interior, but again with the 308 turbo engine issue...
thanks for all the post, will take my to search more and be a smarter consumer.

Main problem with DSG from what I heard from Germany is when you switch between D and N while still moving. It hates that. Otherwise it should last longer.

Actually only Japanese cars are horribly overpriced. From what I have seen with VW, Ford etc. is that they are similarly priced to Germany/Europe. The main difference is that you can only get high spec contis here, the affordable entry level versions are missing. Japanese cars however are speced as good as contis in Europe, at similar prices. But once they come to Malaysia they have lost everything, while still keeping the price.

True that many countries also increase roadtax with cc as factor but usually not the only factor like in Malaysia. Like in Indonesia, the cars market price, model type and class are also affecting roadtax amount. In US if I remember correctly, there's gas guzzler tax which is based on how fuel efficient the car is, so even if the car has big engine but if fuel consumption can match smaller engines then it does not necessarily have to pay gas guzzler tax. But here, it's the only factor, hence becomes a bit unfair IMHO, for example: a guy who buys a Peugeot RCZ turbo (which is >200K sports car) pays less roadtax than a guy who buys a Proton Inspira 1.8. Then there's the guy who owns Lancer Evo pays the same roadtax as those who owns Proton Inspira 2.0 just because both cars have 2.0ltr engine, even though the Evo drinks fuel like a 3.0 car or even more if on boost.

As for mine, I cannot red line from 4th gear onwards cuz my car has that bugger 180kph speed cut which is not that simple to remove like most other Japanese cars. So I've redlined 1-2-3 lah to enjoy the full acceleration. I do like the sensation of having good power ready on tap at the tip of my foot.

Really? How much is a Golf GTI in Germany? I thought still much cheaper than here.

In Germany they catergorize the car in different "cleanliness grades". So stinkers (for example the Iswara) would be Euro 1 for example, the cleanest cars Euro 5. Then for every 100cc you pay, depending on Euro 1 through 5 (diesel has another list with different rates, these are higher than for petrol). So the rate may be 20 Euro per 100cc in Euro 1, 0 Euro per 100cc in Euro 5 (just guessing, but my Euro 2 diesel back then cost me 500 Euro per year, with a 1.9 liter engine. At the same time our Euro 4 petrol Xsara was tax exempt because it's so clean).
Every 2 years the car is tested if it still can be in the category it belongs to. If not, you'll have to fix the car IIRC. You can upgrade if you improve the car though, like adding a catalytic converter when the car came without, adding a particle filter etc.

I do like this system, it ensures the air is good. Even lorries aren't stinking that much, I almost never set the air to recycle, even in traffic jams.

I believe sports cars are discriminated here, so the government fixes a higher price. Also I think the Golf GTI is already quite well spec'ed. The GTI is around 27700 Euro list price for the manual car, 29600 for auto. That is without xenon headlights though, no metallic paint either. 17" rims, only 2 doors. No leather. No side airbags for the back (front side airbags got, rear are optional). No rear camera. No auto parking. No auto headlights (like Preve got). Only the very cheapest radio. No keyless go. No adaptive suspension. No rain sensor. No auto folding mirrors. No auto dimming rear view mirror. No cruise control.

Those are all options that will cost you dearly.

With the Passat the basic price is really low, but IIRC when I spec'ed it similar to the one in Malaysia for 170k I ended up at 155k or 160k... something like that. With the Touran it is even closer. A Ford Fiesta in Malaysia comes with DSG, in Germany it isn't even available. In the end I'd say the Fiesta is more expensive in Germany.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Feb 23 2013, 09:16 PM

That system makes more sense, not just blindly based on displacement like here. To generalizing/simplistic if just based on that.

Ic, then how about more expensive cars like BMW & Mercs or Italian & British cars, also almost the same prices for comparable specs in Germany??

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Feb 23 2013, 10:36 PM

Lots of work configuring those cars... so many options! I would guess so, but haven't checked.

I wish Malaysians had the option of ordering the car they actually want, not the car that the importer things people want.

anybody can share which car company can provide better after sales service than T n H?

very keen on Camry. About to booking very soon.. Reason... proven car... good after sales... dont really care about technology (good attitude driver, comfort drving, rv)

continental/korean MIGHT very expensive to maintain after warranty end due to difficulty to get spareparts.. Camry not perfect but at least no major issue found.. u can read many scary story especially about gearbox issue for conti car.. parts availability for korean car... buying new car meaning less hassle.. else better buy 2nd hand.. any comment?

if comparing car itself. i might go for passat or mazda 6.. but for current bolehland situation, less choice for me..

Nissan has good after sales service. If you buy a new Renault than that might be the very best after sales service you can get. F1 race in Malaysia? You get invitation. Can meet Vettel. They invite you for track days. etc.

To be honest I don't think contis are that expensive to maintain, if you can source a bit and get the parts early enough (cheap sources can take a while to arrive). If you just go to some workshop, yes, they'll cut your throat. Though they may also do so when you drive a Camry.

Yeah that would be great! I'd just order basic manual car with minimal electronics (just power window & locks) & A/C but using the most powerful engine option!

Haha, I would go for a manual one, with a ton of gadgets (HID etc. and of course all of the safety stuff) and a strong diesel engineq. Small but nice looking alloy rims, no bodykit, and tick the badge removal option.

Yes, you'd have to wait a while for the car to arrive, but you'd get what you want, and nothing you don't.

So safety isnt important to you as well eh? Or are you one of the many who thinks that 'as long as i drive safely then im gonna be safe'? I would expect the older generation with limited access to the internet and very fixed old mentality to still go for the Camry. So, if ure one of those then yes the Camry would be the best car for you.

Its because of ppl like you that Toyota can still sell that crap Camry with such poor specs at such high prices in Malaysia and ASEAN. Thats why when UMW removed the stability control system in the Camry, they had the guts to say that the Malaysian public didnt ask for it. Was also scary seeing the Camry fail the IIHS small overlap crash test so badly with the front driver's airbag & steering system a total design failure. But im sure all this wont matter to ppl like you who are are only concerned about resale value and service.

But dont worry. Toyota's share of the pie in Malaysia is getting less and less every year thanks to the more informed younger generation who are beginning to see that Toyota aint Gods anymore. Now there are much better spec'd and designed cars than Toyota out there offering more value for money products that the overpriced aging dinosours that Toyota still produce.

So yes please continue to support Toyota. You are a dying breed in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Mar 1 2013, 12:52 PM

I couldn't agree more.

The *perception* of cheap to maintain Japs cars come from those who service their cars outside during the 90s. Those time Japs cars have minimal electronics. But now all cars have tons of electronics. The cost to replace those electronics if spoilt is nearly as expensive as those of conti cars. Be aware that Peugeot parts come from Gurun, Kedah. Ford, MB come from Thailand. So do Honda.

The very expensive ones come from Europe, such as DSG gearboxes.

+9999999 Support on your view. Our country is like a Toyota & Honda dumping ground where those old engine + gearbox that can't sell at outside, all will be dump to our country.

all,
just back from showroom of mazda,, M6 really nice.
cx5 also nice. If you hv budget to buy camry, it is really worth to look at these, i think the design will last quite some time.
cheers.

Why not consider Teana 2.0L CVT quite smooth

I just bought a camry. The way some of you described camry are so scary. To most salesmen out there, pls dont use this tactics to scare off who wanna buy camry. Not good laaa...definitely you will not tell which company you are working with...some of these tactics are meant to be...meaning you are paid to write these sort of slanders. All car should be driven carefully regardless of brand. If you hope that, you are doing something good to your company, well its too bad. This kind of business needs sincerity and far from telling bad about others. I am happy with my C2G. Dont condemned others. If 10 years old engine works fine, so what?

It is best to expect the worst, and prepare for it. It is good to constantly backup you data to different locations (just in case there is a robbery, your house burns down, ...). That doesn't mean you hope for something bad to happen, but it is good to be safe.

The same thing applies to cars. There are models that are safe for a car of that price range, and there are models that aren't. The Camry falls in the latter category. It thus makes sense to prepare for the worst. Malaysians are good at that when it comes to resale value, but they seem to value their money more than their life. Being badly injured/dead can also mean huge financial losses.

Just face it. Anything can happen on our roads, regardless of how you drive. You can fall asleep at 80 on the motorway. A good car will notice and wake you up and ask you to find somewhere to sleep. A not so good car will simply do nothing and you'll end up in a car crash. Which, in a car with poor passenger protection is more deadly than in a reasonable safe car. And in any case it will be expensive. The resale value of a totaled car, Toyota or not, will be poor.

I'm not affiliated with any car company. I'm just sharing my thoughts.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jul 15 2013, 11:56 AM

You have a point here but who wants to take the lead ? How good is their after sales service or even at point of contact ?

There are always up- and downsides to everything. It depends on the brand, but there are plenty to choose from that do offer reasonably safe cars. Personally I'd rather be willing to deal with not so good after sales service than with being crippled or dead. To me that is worse, and it is worth giving up some convenience. Also don't forget: the safety of a car won't improve during ownership. You can upgrade the seat upholstery, improve NVH, change the head unit, and the service can be improved by the distributor. But safety no.

Dude, actually you can add more safety features for a car, like add VDC, airbag.... last time I didn't know got such people doing such thing, but now seem like there is really got such service. But the most important thing is not all car can add such features, like Myvi it base model do not have any VDC, then so sorry, add VDC is impossible. But like Camry, it is actually got VDC, but last time UMW taken it out, so Camry want to add the VDC features is possible, but have to make sure the Camry come with ABS, EBD, BA then VDC just need to add a sensors near the rear wheel suspension and a VDC module only.

Even if that is possible it is a massive undertaking, and other parts of the car may have been downgraded that we do not know of. Especially in terms of airbags... it is a complicated system where for example the seatbelt system needs to be designed in a way to work together with the airbag so that system works.

VDC sounds the most likely feature that can be upgraded, yes. But anyone offering that service?

besides doing 10km/L on the 2.0L NA compared to 12-13km/L on recent contis,

i cannot see anything better on the god car

fyi, RM3k drive shaft and RM1.5k absorbers anyone?

what about RM2.2k rear light cluster?

Which car are you referring to ?

Whatever la! Toyota Camry and Vios is the best!

Rm3K...Rm1.5K...Rm2.2K, so?
Why worry? Won't spoil one...why worry?

yup. see my expression above

Driving conti cars safe?
Waiting by the roadside (especially late at night) for the tow truck....safe?
Not scared robbers stopping by to rob you?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tccmy/

camry club malaysia

Recently my friend get robbed by hit and Rob gang. His Toyota carry was banged from behind, when he stop n get out of car to inspect the damages, he was robbed by three Indian robbers coming out of the car that banged his car. Hand phone, wallet everything including the car was robbed. Luckily? The car was a company car.