I might take you up on that. I'm halfway there with the two Titans. All I need now is a kick ass mobo, RAM, and a more modern CPU with water cooling and I guess I'm somewhat there. I'm not into OCing, but I don't mind rig dress up.

Question: how much more can I eke out, percentage-wise if I replace the old components with modern counterparts with mild overclocking, you think?

After watching LinusTEchTips live show on YouTube, and then going to PCPer to find out further about frame rating (not frame rate!), I finally understand what microstuttering, runt frames and fps spiking is all about. Long story short, it's NOT about getting the highest frame rates, it's about getting the highest QUALITY frames instead. I'd rather get a lower 35/40fps with quality frames, instead of shooting for 60fps but runt frames and spiking all over the place.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...HD-7970-Cross-1

From what experience I can remember on 690 and now moved to Titan, I've already seen this runt frames phenomena (Crysis 3 where Psycho passes the bow to Prophet, on my rig, fps spikes wildly on 690, no longer on Titan, even on single Titan card) and appreciate how the pioneers in this field like Ryan Shrout of PCPer is advocating quality frames instead of quantity of frames.

If you're willing to learn,



This post has been edited by stringfellow: Apr 8 2013, 02:45 AM

I just like how Ryan put all this visually in his demo on YouTube about frame rating. Sure, the issue was first dug up as frame latency before, but not it has evolve into the quality/rating of said frame, with visual quantifier as per his app does. You can now SEE the phenomena instead of doing it in your head and visualizing it.

Or if this test methodology can be considered partial and unbiased, since FCAT is developed by NVidia.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...pdate/Crysis--0



Anything below that resolution, 1600p or 1080p, 690 wins. Your friend's criteria is 3 monitor, hence the result above.

If you left it at stock, it'll rarely go above 80C. Because Titan employs temperature overclock, frequency clock ramp up and down according to how you set the temperature to. Which means if you set to 80C, and you live in the Artics you'll get a higher core frequency clock than those staying in the tropics since there's not much room to get core clock ramp up without being held back by the 80C temperature cutoff.

Which is why I'm putting my Titans underwater. With the huge thermal capacity value of water that can carry before it rises in a degree of temperature, the overclocking headroom is tremendous.

The stock air cooler is silent, I agree. But that is because the way Titan works, the fan never needs to ramp up if the core clocks are set so that the temps never breach 80C. Hence why the fan speeds, hence the noise level never get any noisier.

Aiming for a totally silent rig now.

That one.

I'm new in overclocking, and exploring the possibilities. Plenty happy with what I had even on aircooled, but now I want the aesthetics and silentness that comes with liquid cooling. Once that's in place, I'll take my baby steps into overclocking.

The guys at PC Perspective got their 4K TV. They even tested it on Crysis 3, on 44th minute in this Youtube video.



USD1499, and as low as USD1299 on certain retailers! I'll let them do their stuff before I take the plunge. This is certainly cheaper than USD5500 Sharp 4K monitor, but I'm kinda worried they cut corners on that cheap of a display panel. Now, to see if 2 Titans can handle 4k res.......

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Apr 19 2013, 04:33 PM

Back to the Sharp 4K monitor then. When it's priced this cheaply, corners will be cut.

Why would there be regrets? The case is the same with every graphics card in existence, there is always something on the horizon that will be better than what you have now. Why would it be different now?

If these "rumors" hold any water,those who bought their original Titans for benchmarking purposes, will unload theirs and get the supposed Ultra version. They are benchers, the value or cost of being the best of the best in 3DMark Hall of Fame is irregardless of the cost of purchasing better version of whatever better cards in the future. Cost is not a consideration for them when they're chasing that top spot.

And then there are those who bought their original Titans because they wanna play games at certain standards (X game at Y frames per seconds at Z settings) would already had their fill of what they wanted, should they've done their proper research on what the Titans are capable of on, on their games.

I personally buy my stuff based on what I need running at the present, not banking on what the company had in mind for the future. Coz in the end, the chase is endless, and you'll end up with an empty PC case coz you always wanna wait for "that better component" lurking in the future. A line had to be drawn somewhere. In my case, I needed Crysis 3 to run all max at 1440p. I got that with the current setup. That's where I draw my line.

Isn't GPU cycle a "cyclic history"? Kinda like when you know that every September a new iPhone comes out and every May/June the same thing happens with the iPad. If you ask me, it's simple, it you need it now and can't live with onboard motherboard graphics, then there isn't a choice but to get one now. If don't need it now, your current card craps out but you still can live with it, then play the waiting game. Question is, while you play that waiting game, you could've just gotten its current equivalent (instead of waiting for its future iteration, for the sake of "worth") and had your fun using it playing your games with it. You can quantify "worth" of a graphics cards in terms of performance/price ratio, but how do you quantity "fun" you have playing games in the days others are waiting for their "worthy" future cards to arrive?

To me it's simple. You pay more to use it first, the others pay less to use it later. The difference in amount for those who got it earlier compared to those who waited for price drop, is that you get to use it to play your games and enjoy it earlier than those who decided to wait. Sure, those who waited quantify it by the amount they saved compared to the amount you've paid to get it earlier, but while they wait, what kind of gaming experience they get with their shittier cards, compared to yours with your better card you get earlier? You can't quantify "fun" and certainly you cant quantify "how much fun" you had using your card earlier than those who waited. Only you can decide if that better experience you had for getting it first/now is enough to offset the cheap price others pay to get theirs later.

FINALLY! A 4K frame-rating article from PCPer on real 4K hardware! This'll determine if that Seiki TV or Sharp monitor is worth getting for me.

Will be interpolating roughly how much twin Titans would do on 4K res. EDIT:Scratch that, PCPer has SLI data in as well! WOOHOO, 50-60fps on Crysis 3, BABY!!



http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...-4K-Resolutions

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 1 2013, 11:45 AM

If they can squeeze more, then all the better for me. Otherwise, my objective is complete: 60fps or more for Crysis 3 on 1440p. Putting the cards underwater would yield even more, so I'm covered. Unless another game of hardware-taxing calibre like Crysis comes around, I'm good. Until the next Crysis.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 2 2013, 12:19 AM

Corrected.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Optimum specs asking for a 690 or a Titan. I'm ready.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 2 2013, 04:08 PM

GTX Titan under water:



He's using XSPC, while I'm using EK.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_dis...rblock_review/2

50% reduction in temperature with that much OC room to play around is always appreciated.

I'd assume that when you play around with the voltage and power target, temperature would increase? In this case, target temp is not applicable (set it to 90 and you'll never hit that) since I doubt you'll reach 90C on water, without crashing it first. That was what I meant by the OC head room.

Irregardless, if the OC under water doesn't matter much, then the silence and aesthetics will. This coming from a three year old rig that takes off like a jet engine whenever I turn it on, and had to be mercifully silenced by planting headphones on my head.

Speaking of silence, thank God for that ignore button.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 3 2013, 11:48 AM

Still under water now? Or back to air?

Beautiful color theme!

Would a second Titan be a tight fit on that case? I went with 820 myself. Waiting for fittings too, Bitspower seems to be taking their own sweet time manufacturing those.

Sticking with the same waterblocks or ......dare I tempt, XXL Edition?

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 3 2013, 12:25 PM

Agree, the volume seems similar with the 820. I've read up on Pastel coolants, and how it doesn't agree with Primochill and/or Tygon tubings, how it reacts with the tubes and changes its color, not sure how true that is.

This'll be my first attempt at liquid cooling, so I'm sticking with the all-too-familiar (read:boring) black-red theme.

You mentioned interest on going single-monitor instead of your current setup, how's that going? And going dual Titan, your PSU would be right there at the edge of heavy load power draw, wouldn't it? AX1200i time?

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 3 2013, 12:49 PM