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SUSnot timid and slow
post Feb 23 2020, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Feb 23 2020, 10:36 AM)
If you are a devout Muslim, nothing to regret.

Never really bothered with compounding effect unless the percentage is fixed. Do you really lose a lot by half a percentage a year?

Alternatively you can dump some extra money into ASB 1 since EPF hasn't outperform ASB 1 historically.
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for most people i don't think they cam simply dump"extra money" into asb

i mean, all their money in epf is sourced from statutory deduction from salary. while all their money in asb is sourced from either their spare cash flow or from loan
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post Feb 24 2020, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Feb 23 2020, 12:27 PM)
he said he wanted to find better investment to cover back the loss of dividend.

Speaking of which, he can also reroute his EPF money into ASB2, ASB3, and even ASM2 and ASM3, or other trust funds.
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good point. i knew we could transfer our epf money into other unit trusts, but until u enlighten me i didnt know we could also move those money into AS* funds.
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post Feb 24 2020, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Feb 23 2020, 03:48 PM)
5.45% is ok, decent and reasonable with worldwide interest cut everywhere.

FD rate is also going down.

While, there many other unit trust also are also registering negative return instead of positive over the last few years, apart from US related and bond funds.
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sadly this is probably gonna be the new normal . the era of high interest rates above 6% is long gone.
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post Feb 29 2020, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Feb 28 2020, 05:12 PM)
I don't pay more than 11%. But my company does. Hope they don't cut it lol
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some big company will contribute up to 16%
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post Feb 29 2020, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Feb 29 2020, 09:36 AM)
It is a because anything above 19% employer contribution will appear as taxable in your EA form. That's why normally it is up to 19% only.
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i am curious, is there any tax advantage to the company if they pay above 12% minimum epf?

because as an employee in would rather receive the extra in salary instead of epf
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post Feb 29 2020, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 29 2020, 12:35 PM)
some employee, like example, those that has no cash flow constraints, would like their "extra" income as tax free, and can help to increase their retirement fund

advantages for the company....incentives given to try to retain staffs are tax deductable........
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epf only up to 6k is tax free right? that's only 500 per month
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post Mar 1 2020, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 29 2020, 01:29 PM)
employer's contributions to your EPF is tax free to your income....
employer's cash to you is tax able in your income

as mentioned by Wedchar...6k employee's contribution had been reduced for the tax reduction calculation.
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so my next question would be

can i request my employer to raise their epf contributions from 12% to 16? (instead of giving me bonus and increment).

or is this a common 12% rate applied across the board for all staff within the company?
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post Mar 2 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Dd2318 @ Mar 1 2020, 11:41 AM)
Why wud an employer commit to a fix % epf contribution... knowing, the variable increment will spur you to maintain good performance?

You can still opt to 60k annual personal top up into Kwsp. Beyo d that, use borang 17a to increase monthly contribution.
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is there an admin cost for employer to have variable instead of fixed epf contributions for each n every employee?

i mean, the HR will need to submit forms to epf jevery time change the percentage?
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post Mar 2 2020, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 2 2020, 03:22 PM)
It's don't involve employer...

Everything is from u.. outside from the monthly 11%
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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 2 2020, 03:40 PM)
from this article
Reduction of Employee Contribution Rate
KUALA LUMPUR, 27 February 2020:  The Employees Provident Fund (EPF) takes note of the Government’s decision on the reduced minimum statutory contribution rate for employees, from 11 per cent to seven (7) per cent as announced today
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Employees may choose to maintain the current contribution rate of 11 per cent by completing Notis Pilihan Mencarum Melebihi Kadar Berkanun KWSP 17A (Khas) which is available on epf.gov.my.
This notice must be presented to employers to be submitted to the EPF. 

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/-/reduction-of-empl...ribution-rate-1
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perhaps i should clatify my question

today my total package is 100k per annum
11k is my self epf contribution
12k is my company epf contribution
remaining 77k is my salary before tax

now i want to change it to;
11k epf self contribution
24k company epf contribution
65k salary

is this possible?

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post Mar 2 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 1 2020, 10:56 AM)

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i understood your replies but just want to find out if anybody is doing it
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post Mar 2 2020, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Mar 2 2020, 04:20 PM)
Who fork out the extra 12k?
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if you bothered to do the simple math, both sum up to 100k . there is no extra 12k.
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post Mar 3 2020, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(bourse @ Mar 2 2020, 08:04 PM)
now i want to change it to;
11k + 12K epf self contribution
12k company  epf contribution
65k salary

just increase your self contribution.  no need to trouble the HR.
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Mar 2 2020, 08:05 PM)
He may want to reduce gross income and eventually taxable income.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 2 2020, 08:08 PM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif you end up paying less income tax
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif the money you saved in the EPF thru yr employer are tax free,
if you do your own self contribution...you money are taxed before you do the self contribution... sad.gif
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 2 2020, 11:28 PM)
Sure why not if you run the company yourself,
Or If the Company is  willing to help, HR just submit a form to KWSP and increased  employer portion to 19%
and  reduced  your salary accordingly, nett you draw same amount from Co,
just that you take home cash lower and more in KWSP. u gain pay lower tax, company no loss also.
When i ran my own company, i  put my employer KWSP portion 25% for myself, and sleepy accountant  without realising it
claimed that full 25% from tax. Actually Co can only claim tax relief to max 19% of staff salary. any extra  Company lose out as it cannot deduct from company profit.
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ok i figured out the answer to my question. i can self contribute more to epf.

how?

by transferring money from my bank savings account to epf account. this can be done once a year for convenience. because i need to fill out a form submit to epf.

but

this won't be recorded in my pay slip.

 

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