QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Feb 26 2021, 05:55 PM)
5.45Aiseh can’t they match last year’s %
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EPF DIVIDEND, EPF
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Feb 27 2021, 11:53 AM
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Hmm, 5.2%
Was hoping it to match 5.45% but good that still above 5% nonetheless |
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Feb 27 2021, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Feb 27 2021, 03:41 PM) how does one check the actual amount paid as dividend? I log in now and with 2020 & 2021 detail vs summary statements available to download. At the 2020 statement, see the 5th columnNone of these among 4 possible documents displays the actual amount added to me as dividend. I know, that roughly speaking yes my balance is higher than before but the precise amount is not shown? |
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Feb 28 2021, 11:13 AM
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EPF navigates safely through pandemic-stricken 2020
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The Edge with its tiered dividend BS again
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 1 2021, 02:17 PM) Actually I agree. Those with RM1m in EPF get paid say 2.5% while those RM500k below should get full dividend. Don't forget that there are people who have high amount due to self-discipline by not touching the account and even do self-contribution, because they know the importance of saving for retirement. Why are they being punished? hedfi, romuluz777, and 3 others liked this post
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Mar 1 2021, 03:25 PM
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Saturday: Receive EPF dividend
Monday: Pay Income Tax + tiered dividend resurface again /flips table It would be best for EPF to issue a statement on this matter and put this issue to rest. Are they studying any proposal? Which i-sinar looming, this is the kind of statement that would give members a guidance whether to withdraw or maintain, to stop self-contribution or continue. and to stop the Edge from harping / lobbying it anymore. This post has been edited by Human Nature: Mar 1 2021, 03:28 PM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 1 2021, 09:18 PM) Its not about being prudent by not touching. It's so that people don't abuse the system. Why do people with RM1m in EPF deserved to be paid a lot? Why do people with a lower amount deserved to be paid a lot then, since you want to talk about deserving? For all you know, those with a lower amount has millions stashed somewhere, while those higher only has EPF as his or her retirement plan. I would hardly call anyone with RM500k (based on your previous post) as rich.How many % in EPF have over a million? Remember sg also implement such scheme. They give higher interest for low amount and lower amount the higher one goes. This is to prevent rich people from using the system to their advantage. Rich people do not need anymore help while people need all the help they can. Yes I am bias because I am poor. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 1 2021, 10:04 PM) Let's say some people who only have RM50k inside their EPF, and another person who have RM1M, do you think the one with RM1M should be paid more. Let's assume both never touch their EPF. I think not. How can you know for sure that the one with RM50k in EPF do not have a million stashed somewhere? You can't, and that is why taking such a simplistic correlation on whether one is rich/poor based on epf amount is wrong.Why? He/she already have RM1M, while the one with RM50k only have RM50K. The guy with RM50k need all the help he/she can get to grow their retirement nest while the RM1M person have more than enough already. So don't be greedy. So now those who are hardworking and self-discipline are called greedy? tbgreen and TheEquatorian liked this post
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QUOTE(TheEquatorian @ Mar 1 2021, 10:20 PM) Moreover, the best way for the person with 50k to improve his/her retirement is to upskill and change jobs not seekout rent from other people’s savings. Yeah man. Some people just don't understand that there are people who toiled for donkey years and practiced delayed gratification to build up the saving hoping for a good retirement. wongmunkeong and TheEquatorian liked this post
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 1 2021, 11:23 PM) EPF is based off on your salary. So you need to be earning big bucks to have a million inside EPF. Unless you are self employed or doing own business. EPF is based on 11-13% of your pay. But why label others as greedy when one has done nothing wrong? Don't put words into my mouth. Nobody said anything about those in lower income bracket not working hard. It is you who make so much assumptions. Talking about greediness, deserving and such. And no, you do not need to earn big bucks to have a million inside EPF, you should know better than this right. By giving more to the one with lower EPF amount will let them grow their nest egg faster as majority or Malaysian are in the B40 and M40. By giving say 2.5% for those with over a million ringgit, they would get RM25000/year. Now compare this with say 5% for the rest. The one having only RM50k would received RM2.5k/year. Easy to say if you are doing private or doing own business. What about those people working earning RM2-3k/month? How about those grab food or food panda or post man, your local delivery man, grab/taxi driver/farmer? I have seen so many grab food and food panda driver zig zagging and cutting red light so that they can deliver the food faster. When they can deliver the food faster, they get a new order. Hence earning more. Are they not working hard trying to make a living and putting their life at risk? You think they are not working hard and not saving every penny? Do you think they deserved to get paid more from their EPF vs a banker sitting in his office earning saying RM20k/month? I support those grab food or food panda or post man, your local delivery man, grab/taxi driver/farmer It's good to help those with a lower income bracket, but not at the expense of other salary men. Government has many other vehicles for that. You have BRIMs, Penjana, etc. but why need to take away from other people retirement fund? And you decide to side step my question about those with lower EPF amount with money stashed elsewhere. Everyone starts from a low monthly income. And EPF is meant for long term saving, for retirement. This post has been edited by Human Nature: Mar 1 2021, 11:54 PM |
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 2 2021, 12:30 AM) what about limiting the amount each person can have in EPF while discarding the tiered dividend? that way none of the rich ppl's profit will be distributed to the poor via EPF. Mind elaborating on this idea?By the way, it is not accurate to label those with high EPF savings as rich and low EPF savings as poor. This is what the tiered dividend lobbyist want us to believe. There are people with low EPF savings because they stop contributing due to various factors and make/save money elsewhere. Then, there are also those who have withdrawn from account 2. And those who self-contribute too. This post has been edited by Human Nature: Mar 2 2021, 12:39 AM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 2 2021, 07:48 AM) I never used those food delivery cause I always packed my own food. I am saying those people will benefit more than bankers. Why do you need to dictates how people invest their money? And let's not talk about 1mil. In your previous post, you mentioned 500k as rich people. One cannot actually take out the 500k anyway. And yet you called them as greedy? Then I can call you as a hypocrite then because you were lamenting about the gig workers and yet you did not even support them Yes agree. That's why by giving more to those with lower EPF, you are helping to build their pie Vs those with a million dollars inside. Let's say you already have RM1m, why do you need more in retirement account when you can invest money elsewhere? Why do you need the full 5% when the extra money can be given to those with lower sum? Isn't that greed cause one already have so much and want more? It's fair. You earn bug bucks, you pay more. That's how it should be. Tax the rich. Like a car. You buy a BMW Vs one with a Kancil. Who have the higher maintenance and petrol? The one with BMW. Now you are saying that's not fair. Yes it's not fair Kancil get lesser maintenance. But then again who asked one to buy a BMW? I answered your question here. Let me ask you is it easier for someone with a 2-3k salary Vs one with 20k salary to have a million in their EPF? I think you know the answer. Remember sg is doing that with their CPF. I support them fully cause rich people cannot abuse the system. The rich is already been taxed. Why do people with high EPF amount need to be taxed twice? And don't fall to the false narrative that low EPF amount means poor and vice versa. Why don't you ask the government to just give those with 2-3k salary 1 mil then? Can term it as universal starting income. Easier. QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Mar 2 2021, 09:31 AM) Its a retirement fund. Those who save RM1 or RM1,000,000 must get the same dividend as practiced all this while. My point exactly. EPF savings amount cannot be simply used to categorize who is poor or rich. I can just give one example. I know someone, who is now working overseas, but with a paltry sum in EPF even though he is earning high bucks.If this bloody tiered div issue is really pushed fwd, then I would say those who save more should get more dividends, same as our income tax structure where the more you earn, you pay more income tax at a higher bracket. Then only it is fair and square. The poor are already getting cash handouts from the govt and they don't even need to pay income tax. And its wrong to generalize that contributors with >RM1 mil in EPF has other millions elsewhere. These are ppl who work and save hard all their working lives. And its wrong to generalize that ppl with lesser amounts in EPF are poor when their other funds could be parked elsewhere (UT, ASB, KWAP, PRS...etc). Poor folks can also invest in shares, albeit at a smaller scale. Everyone is responsible to earn his own living and make his own way in life. Leave the EPF as it is. This post has been edited by Human Nature: Mar 2 2021, 10:29 AM TheEquatorian liked this post
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QUOTE(plc255 @ Mar 2 2021, 10:25 AM) Please allow me to cross post my kopitiam post yesterday since there is so much chit-chat on the tier dividend. The difference is that the ASB unit holders have a choice to withdraw if they are not happy. But this is not the case for EPF members.I know this is not a direct contribution to the debate, but an observation for what had happened in ASB. ------- They had done a tier dividend for Amanah Saham Bumiputera (ASB) unitholders in December 2020 - No one give a fart about it - Any large account holder (those with >RM30k) make a run to withdraw their money? - This is in a scheme where unitholders are free to withdraw anytime you suka. - Is there anyone cry father cry mother in /k about this TIER dividend?? On the other hand for EPF members, - You cant do jack shit if they declare a 5% dividend for year 202?, and a special dividend 0.2% for those amount is less RM xx,000 Personally I am against tier dividend. But then since when my opinion matter to the government ?? Source : PNB announces 4.25 sen |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 2 2021, 11:08 AM) Did I dictate how they invest their money? I didn't say anything. If I am in their shoes with say a million in EPF, I will just capped max a million in EPF as there's no additional benefit if there's a tiered dividend. If they like to dump all into EPF be my guest. It's a free choice whether I support them. It's like I choose not to buy Starbucks as it's overpriced piece of coffee. I use example of gig worker Vs bankers. I can use farmer, fisherman, delivery man, post man, cleaners. It's the same. If I use say post man will you say it's hypocrite? Since you want to talk about hypocrite let's replace my example of gig worker with farmer, fisherman, delivery man, post man, cleaners then. They are definitely in the B40 and M40 region. If you see my post I compare people with say rm50k vs Rm1m Vs RM300k. I am saying those with a million inside EPF wanting more is greedy when majority of people don't even have a million in EPF. Are they taxed twice? I don't think so. In my example anything below Rm1m gets full 5% while anything above gets 2.5%. It's fair like driving a big car example. You pay more for petrol, road tax, maintenance. One can keep RM999,999.99 inside EPF and get full 5% and use the dividend next year to invest into unit trust. Let's not forget rich gets better loan rates which means they are paying lesser already. If you are a salaried man/woman, amount of EPF ties to your amount you have because it's 11-13% of your salary + whatever you want to put in extra. Which means low EPF amount means they are earning less and vice versa. Because how much can you put in if you are earning RM2-3k month? One cant afford the RM60k/year. Even those with earning RM5k also can't put in max RM60k. This is different if one is earning say RM10-20k/month.This does not apply if one is having their own business/self employed. Universal income don't work. But using asset efficiently works. QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 2 2021, 09:21 AM) True. Buy if you already have RM1m inside EPF chances are one have more at least extra 6-7 figures of cash outside of EPF. Which means one have opportunity to invest outside of EPF which means one got chance to generate more money than EPF. And yes, it's free choice whether I want to save my money in EPF or not without being labelled as greedy. There is no point to argue further with you because what you are doing is creating the false narrative that lower EPF amount automatically means poor. And see your post below, you clearly put RM500k as the cutting off point. QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 1 2021, 02:17 PM) Actually I agree. Those with RM1m in EPF get paid say 2.5% while those RM500k below should get full dividend. This post has been edited by Human Nature: Mar 2 2021, 11:19 AM TheEquatorian liked this post
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 2 2021, 11:29 AM) If one does not like EPF returns in the event of tiered dividend no need to max out RM60k/year. One can reach RM500k without resorting to self contribution and very high salary. It takes long years; compounding effect and I am sure you already know that.Divert the RM60k elsewhere. So many place giving way better return than EPF if one only need to look and take the time to learn. honsiong liked this post
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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Mar 2 2021, 11:53 AM) you have a good heart, but i doubt the tier thing have much to do with helping the poor as in anything nep. i suppose the so called rich epf contributors are actually mostly the middle class that work their ass off to support their children non national education, the second income tax in real life. and epf seem to be the last cash rich bastion that is deemed sacred among all the govt institution, if we will to concede to this demand, it will never end. I echo your sentiments. It is false to call those with high EPF savings as rich. This is the last bastion that needs to be protected. Perhaps this is what the outgoing CEO meant by every members should have a say - indiretly asking members to defend the status quo.This post has been edited by Human Nature: Mar 2 2021, 12:08 PM tbgreen liked this post
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QUOTE(Xenopher @ Mar 2 2021, 12:03 PM) Sometimes I find it funny that a lot of Malaysians hate Communism/Socialism but the same group of people wanting the system to gear towards Communism/Socialism. Point no 1 and 2 catch my attention. Perhaps the self-contributed amount needs to be placed into a separate account. And if tiering is in placed, EPF should also allow full withdrawal of the self-contributed amount - like a reset button.Instead of tiered dividends based on individual savings, I think EPF might be able to do it based on 'withdrawal condition'? For example, Amount without withdrawal condition (>55 years old, >1m) get 1% lower dividends. Amount with some withdrawal condition (Account 2) get 0.5% lower dividends. Amount with strict withdrawal condition (Account 1) get extra dividends from the reduced dividends above. Some benefits I can think of, 1. People who is truly preparing themselves for retirement get more dividends. 2. People who use EPF as high interest savings account will continue to do so as its return is way higher than FD or MMF. 3. EPF can strategize its fund better (invest in short/long term assets based on account type), and hence possible higher returns for everyone. |
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Can't help to feel there is something brewing with these 2 articles published on the same day Insight - Working during retirement https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ring-retirement » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « The RM60K EPF savings top-up benefit https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-top-up-benefit » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « HolyCooler and romuluz777 liked this post
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