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Dratini
post Oct 10 2023, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 9 2023, 05:49 PM)
Time to max up your quota of 100k per year 😁
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Dratini
post Nov 28 2023, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 27 2023, 12:14 PM)
That is why there are strong supporters for tiered dividend.
Why pay more for the rich to go for holiday?
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Yeah but the point isn't why "pay more to the rich". The point is: who put more money in, who gets more rewards.
There are those who diligently put money in every month, and there are those who diligently spend money every month without putting in.
You grow corns on your fields, you will get corns. You rip what you sow. It ain't rocket science.
Dratini
post Jan 22 2024, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Jan 22 2024, 01:02 PM)
Dun forget EPF withdrawal for buy house/PTPTN etc etc....

Recently my colleague withdraw EPF money to buy house, both husband and wife, and i ask them why need withdraw all out? renovation so much? how much u loan?

Answer : we borrow minimum only because dun want pay so much loan...House example RM 500k but borrow RM 300k, the difference RM 200k all pay by savings & EPF...Notes : they can loan 90% of the house price but borrow lower intentionally....

i said EPF 5-6% interest is much better then housing loan around 4%....But they said they dun like loan so want sailang everything to lower the house loan...

i was like doh.gif
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Your Colleagues is not wrong.
There is a saying: "Money not just about math, its about behavior".
With their mindset and behavior, chances are, they might achieve Financial freedom earlier than most people.

That being said, you are not wrong either.
But they do what's works for them, you do what works for you.
Dratini
post Jan 22 2024, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 22 2024, 01:35 PM)
errmm...if you say being less educated in financial literacy then yeah...there is no right or wrong in this...different people have different financial literacy level...

but taking out EPF money to pay as much as possible upfront for the house purchase definitely doesn't sound right if the existing home loan interest rate is much lower than what EPF is paying out as dividend...
assuming RM100k, if the interest is 1.5% more, that's RM1500 already yearly difference...
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You are still talking about math.
In a perfect world, when you loan from bank with lower interest, and leave the rest of the pile of money in EPF with higher interest. 10 years down the road, You gain more. (you are right, and that's math).

But, here, it's not a perfect world. Life Happens, Humans wants and needs changes all the time.

If a person did it by math, get more loans and leave the money in EPF.

He might withdraw it for fancier renovation.
Mid life crisis happened and he might withdraw it to buy a sport car.
He might splurge for a 2nd house.
Maybe 5 years down the road, Government increase BLR cause economy is really bad, and the BLR exceeded EPF interest.
or Maybe EPF interest plummet due to some political reasons and only gives min (2.5%).

There are too many unforeseen circumstances that would change the end result.
Dratini
post Mar 3 2025, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Mar 2 2025, 09:41 AM)
I must admit I assumed and treated the >1mil EPF as CASA, and that’s where my annoyance lies when they change the limit arbitrarily, and progressively up to equal to voluntary contribution. To me it means if you put in 100k per year it must stay inside until you retire.

In my own now silly assumption I was planning to park a some money for my kids tertiary education and for opportune market investment times, but after putting some to chase the 1m, now they say hotel California. These moneys are for all intents and purposes NOT a for 55 year old reaping.

Personally I think that the statutory 25% of our income deducted for fixed income retirement savings is more than enough honestly. For young people, I personally think you should consider to take some risks for better returns in business or stock market. Otherwise you benefit the country and it’s masters by allowing EPF to make 30% and giving you 6.3% and then we jump around for joy.

Lastly the actual population affected by this is 0.13+0.12 out of 16.22 which is actually the 1.5% “wealthiest”.

Why does EPF need to care so much for such a group? Except it is not, and there is a unspoken motive here.
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Ditto this!

Same boat as you are, Chasing 1M to gain passive income before reaching 55yo.
but that dream went down the drain when they decided to increase 1.1 - 1.3 and review again after that.

And for those people kept on harping on EPF is not meant to be used this way, different finances have different vehicle, good for you and your ideology, now go fly a kite.

 

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