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 Malaysian employers discrimate by race?, according to UM & UKM study (Nov 12)

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post Jan 13 2013, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 12 2013, 02:05 AM)
Salleh Yakkop,

You do not get IT...

If the GOAL is for affirmative action, aka EQUAL SHARE for everyone.  It will stop at 60% to 70%.  It will not be 90+%.  Aka, "XYZ only".  If the GOAL is for affirmative action, they will not need to force out the non-bumi.  They just need to recruit more bumi.

But, what had happened and still happening now is 90+%.  Aka, all XYZ must be BUMI.

<<you keep mentioning things in the past, but the only way is  we need to look for the future.>>

There is NO FUTURE for Malaysia until and unless all 90+% are outlawed.  How could a country be INTEGRATED when a large segment of population (1.5 millions to 2 millions) CHOOSE to isolate themselves from the rest of the country??

The QUESTION is VERY SIMPLE.

Do you THINK that it is FAIR for 90+% to exist in Malaysia??

Until and unless MAJORITY of Malaysians REJECT the idea of 90+%, there is NO FUTURE for Malaysia.

We need to LEARN from the PAST in order to avoid REPEATING the same mistake in the FUTURE.

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First let's look at the history. Why Indian were the majority of employee of TNB KTM and TM or their former selves. All these entities were created under British ruling time. See below:

Connaught Bridge Power Station is a power station in Klang Valley located near Connaught Bridge in Klang, Selangor. It is one of the oldest power station in Malaysia.

It was opened on 26 March 1953 by the High Commissioner for the Federation of Malaya, Sir Gerald Templer.

The Central Electricity Board (CEB) was established and came into operation on 1 September 1949. The Board was to become heir to three major projects considered by the Electricity Department following its re-establishment in April 1946 which were the Connaught Bridge Power Station, Cameron Highlands Hydroelectric Project & the development of a National Grid.

TM's history goes back to the establishment of the Telecommunications Department of Malaya in 1946.

Keretapi Tanah Melayu Berhad (KTMB) 's railway system dates back to the British colonial era, when it was first built to transport tin. Previously known as the Federated Malay States Railways (FMSR) and the Malayan Railway Administration (MRA)


Most are formalized After world war 2. Guess which ethnic is the English favourites to fill in those works in these organisations. Who can blame them with the success they had in India. Indian becomes their natural choice, the same is found in Elite army squads and all plantations remember Golden Hope? Sime Darby , Guthrie, etc.

Obviously being minority in population but holding almost 90% of the job is not quite fair.

Over the years, now it becomes the reverse. So now u think life is not fair? Well guess what ? life is never fair! But when life gives u a lemon, what do you do, make lemonade!Chinese is among the most adaptable and resilient race in the world. So has Indian been especially looking at successes of Indian around the globe . When life close one door, another opens. Most of the greatest achievements among Indian and Chinese around the world is owing to the facts that life was not easy and fair.

The happening of today is karma of yesterday . It applies to Brits, Malay , Chinese, Indian , Ibans, Kadazans with no differentiation in race. So will today wrongdoing be justified or rectified by later karma. But to err is humane , to forgive is divine. There will be mistakes done by all races, all political parties. It is human nature, so our imperfection will result in despite our best judgement at any given time be proven to have flawed, and new ones need to be made where the latter too will be having flaws that needs to be rectified by later actions. And so on and so forth. So no absolution is an ultimatum.

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post Jan 14 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 13 2013, 09:09 PM)
EnergyAnalyst,

1)  How to forgive when certain group of people are still doing 90+%??  Meanwhile, everyone else is giving out at least 30%??  The policy is still being carried out.

2) How to forgive when certain group of people do not understand BASIC CONCEPT of FAIRNESS?? Aka, do not support "XYZ only" policy.  Leave room for OTHERS to live??

This is NOT in the past.  It is still happening.  And, every time that the GLC and / or GLIC take over a company, the PURGE of non-bumi continues..

Dreamer

P.S.:  Please note that this discrimination by 90+% is not limited to non-bumi.  They DISCRIMINATE based on "Anak Negeri" concept too.  In each 90+% environment, they ONLY promote and hire Malays from certain state.  In Klang Valley, the 2 groups of Malays the most from this are

1) Malays from East coast -> Malays from Terengganu and Kelantan

2) Malays from East Malaysia
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Lxlk4Fxk

I have watched this and agreed all of us, have been a victims of prejudice, at any point of time in the history ...well at least for Malaysia. And most recently it has been severely felt by Indian communiity of Malaysia. From 1824 until 1957 for 133 years, under british ruling , Most Malays were sidelined from economy greatly and has remained as farmers and fisherman. Chinese were either in mining and later sharing rubber tapping with Indians. Indian were destined by the Brits to be the planters, GLCs and pretty much in Pulic Admin, Well the rich of all communities gets to have bettter options to acquire educations or do business, and that applied for all three major races.

So as you say for 40 years, now added anak negeri in the equation, blame it on Brits again lah, because there exist the darling of straits , read: By 1826 the British controlled Penang, Malacca, Singapore and the island of Labuan, which they established as the crown colony of the Straits Settlements, administered first under the East India Company until 1867, when they were transferred to the Colonial Office in London.

Initially, the British followed a policy of non-intervention in relation between the Malay states. The commercial importance of tin mining in the Malay states to merchants in the Straits Settlements led to infighting between the aristocracy on the peninsula. The destabilisation of these states damaged the commerce in the area, causing British intervention. The wealth of Perak’s tin mines made political stability there a priority for British investors, and Perak was thus the first Malay state to agree to the supervision of a British resident. British gunboat diplomacy was employed to bring about a peaceful resolution to civil disturbances caused by Chinese and Malay gangsters employed in a political tussle between Ngah Ibrahim and Raja Muda Abdullah. The Pangkor Treaty of 1874 paved the way for the expansion of British influence in Malaya. The British concluded treaties with some Malay states, installing “residents” who advised the Sultans and soon became the effective rulers of their states. These advisors held power in everything except to do with Malay religion and customs.[13]

Johore alone resisted, by modernizing and giving British and Chinese investors legal protection. By the turn of the 20th century, the states of Pahang, Selangor, Perak, and Negeri Sembilan, known together as the Federated Malay States, had British advisors. In 1909 the Siamese kingdom was compelled to cede Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Terengganu, which already had British advisors, over to the British. Sultan Abu Bakar of Johor and Queen Victoria were personal acquaintances, and recognised each other as equals. It was not until 1914 that Sultan Abu Bakar's successor, Sultan Ibrahim accepted a British adviser.[citation needed] The four previously Thai states and Johor were known as the Unfederated Malay States. The states under the most direct British control developed rapidly, becoming the largest suppliers in the world of first tin, then rubber.
SO 133 years of divide and rule if compare to like you say 40 years, what has been the implications, you will still see the effect today. Penang , Malacca is still the most progressed followed by Selangor, Perak, Johore, NS and Pahang is still much more modern than Kedah, Kelantan , Terengganu.

40 years of reshuffling or redistribution may have gone too awry and now Indians become the greatest victims of being sidelined. So shits happened, and you cannot forgive, well guesss what? The Malay can also said they cannot forgive how for 133 years, they were the victims, sh*t, The Chinese can also said why I was never the darling, when is my chance? we can go on and on about unfairness, injustice, etc.

Well Change is happening , it may take time, but it will happen, some say reform, some say transform, only the pace is different , the method is different. So we all have the right in our hand to decide which way we want to go. I have asked you to forgive , it is a hard thing to do, boy! it can be very hard, but forgive you must, and forgive you shall, because our country needs zealous people like you who has so much energy and enthusiam to change and become what its majority aspired to be.


Forgive and move on because, there is a famous saying,' Those who haboured hatred , suffer the most, ' why would you want to do this to yourself?

Moreover, there is this famous saying by Dale Carnegie, one of the most respected person apart from Abaraham Lincoln to me personally, it is call Serenity Prayer, it is advised to be done daily

'God,
Gives me the courage to change the things I can.
The strength to accept things I can't,
And the wisdom to know the difference'

We cannot change what has happened in the past, nor we can do anything much about what is going on today, but we can change our future by following a course we choose TODAY.

Listen to Buddha, follow The mid path,

Listen to JC, love thy neighbour,

Listen to Nabi Mohd s.a.w, Power consists not in being able to strike another, but in being able to control oneself when anger arises

OK BRO?

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post Jan 14 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 14 2013, 11:16 AM)
EnergyAnalyst,

<<we can do anything much about what is going on today,>>

Who say so?? At the minimal, I can stop doing business with and invest on those 90+% environment.  Why should I SUSTAIN those places that INSIST on DISCRIMINATING Malaysians with my money ??

I am FAIR.  I buy as much as I can from Malay owned computer shop so that they get a FAIR CHANCE.

YOU have a CHOICE.  You VOTE with your money everyday.  You can use it to ensure JUSTICE or sustain the INJUSTICE.

This is NOT hatred.  This is "WAJIB".  A person's DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to do not sustain INJUSTICE.

I am not a muslim.  But, I RESPECT Islam's principle of upholding JUSTICE and do not do business with places that are HARAM.

I will change my mind when they stop being 90+%.

Dreamer

P.S.: They are dying anyhow.  I just make sure that they die faster.
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Jan 14 2013, 12:46 PM)
Generally good Bumi candidates would prefer GLCs (e.g. Petronas) due to nice job security, benefits and upward movement potential.

The private sector (local and MNCs) get the leftovers which may result in an unfairly negative view.
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Yes, everyone should know where their opportunities lie. and Hence GLCs and Public Admin has to be increased to keep up. C+I go mostly for Private and MNCs, but the surprsing fact is actually the Malay- Controlled Pte companies surveyed also preferred Chinese, one theory is probably they know GLCs and Public Admin is where most Malay graduates see as priority and preferred employer over these Malay owned Pte companies?
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Just some interesting reading on the sidelined Indian to share, all cut and paste stuff from wikipedia.

Historical Migration
British acquisition of Penang, Melaka,and Singapore - the Straits Settlements from 1786 to 1824 started a steady inflow of Indian labour. This consisted of traders, policemen, plantation labourers and colonial soldiers (see sepoys). Apart from this there was also substantial migration of Indians to work in the British colonial government, due to their general good command of the English language.

The Indian population in pre-independence Malaya and Singapore was predominantly adult males who were single with family back in India and Sri Lanka. Hence the population fluctuated frequently with the immigration and exodus of people. As early as 1901 the Indian population in the Straits Settlements and the Federated Malay States was approximately 120,000. By 1931 there were 640,000 Indians in Malaya and Singapore and interestingly they even outnumbered the native Malays in the state of Selangor that year. However during World War 2 many Indian men and women left for Burma as part of the Indian National Army with thousands thought to have perished in the Death Railways. As a result the population in 1957 had only increased to 820,000. While immigration was a major factor for the increase in population until independence, the population growth began falling after that as white collar classes in the civil service and plantations left as British institutions and companies left the country as well as the May 13 riots. Since then, lower birth rates, emigration of and emigration to countries like Singapore, Australia, UK etc. in search of better educational and economic opportunities meant that Indians continue to see their share of Malaysia's population decline just as the case with the Chinese. Today, Malaysian Indians account for approximately 7 per cent of the total population of Malaysia (approx. 2 million) and 9 per cent in Singapore (450,000). There has also been a significant influx of Indian nationals into Singapore and Malaysia in recent years to work in construction, engineering, restaurants, IT and finance with many taking up permanent residence in Singapore where they account for nearly a quarter of the Singapore population.

Geographic distribution
The close correspondence between the ethnic and occupational divisions of the South Asian community was inevitably reflected in the community's geographical distribution in Malaya. The South Indian Tamils were the majority throughout the country, on the rubber estates and railways, though a significant proportion found employment on the docks in Penang and Singapore.
The Malayali were located predominantly in Penang, Lower Perak, Kuala Lumpur and Selangor, parts of Negeri Sembilan,and Johor where they were usually in the estates or in the civil service in the earlier days.

The Telugus were concentrated in lower Perak, northern Selangor, Negeri sembilan, Kulim and Sg Petani in Kedah and Pahang.

While the business communities, the Gujaratis, Sindhis, Chettiars, and Tamil Muslims, were concentrated in the urban areas, principally Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Ipoh, and Singapore.

The Ceylon Tamils were also mainly an urban community, though some were found in rural areas working as staff on the estates as well being well known in dominating the railways.

In Sabah and Sarawak, the Indian population is concentrated around the major cities and towns in both states, with representations from the Tamil Muslims, Punjabis, Malayali, Sindhis, Ceylonese, South Indian Tamils and other Indian ethnic groups, taking up careers in the private and government sectors or running businesses.

Overall statistics of Malaysian Indians
Indians constitute 15.5 percent of Malaysian professionals. This includes doctors (28.4%), lawyers (26.8%), dentists (21%), veterinary surgeons (28.5%), engineers (6.4%), accountants (5.8%), surveyors (3.0%) and architects (1.5%). Furthermore, Malaysian Indians make up 38% of the Malaysian medical workforce


Contribution to nation building
Indians have contributed significantly to the building of Malaysia since the 19th century. The Indian workforce was instrumental in the clearing of land for infrastructure, established rubber plantations, built the roads, set up transmission lines as well as managed early Malayan railways, ports and airports. Indian doctors, chemists and veterinarians formed the bulk of medical personnel in Malaysia - their contributions still persist to present day. Indian civil servants formed the core of the civil service both pre- and post-independence. Indian teachers who were particularly fluent in the English language formed the backbone of Malaysian education, particularly in missionary schools. Indians also pioneered private education in Malaysia


Challenges facing the community
Despite the fact that the average income of Malaysian Indians exceeds that of their Malay counterparts, there exists a portion of the community who are poor and share less than 1.5% of Malaysia's wealth. Despite their obvious need, they are not eligible for any of Malaysia's lavish affirmative-action programmes, which are reserved for Malays and select indigenous people.These factors in part have resulted in the migration of many highly skilled Malaysian Indians abroad, where Indian migrants are largely upwardly mobile.

However, the underprivileged section of the community (along with the poor from other races e.g. ethnic Chinese) continue to be excluded from affirmative-action programmes despite their genuine need for support in obtaining employment, government subsidized education, and housing. This perception of a zero-sum game amongst the races has unfortunately fueled protests by frustrated sections of the hitherto quiescent community - who consequentially faced a heavy-handed response from the authorities. Recently, the Malaysian government has at least pledged to change this by increasing assistance to needy Malaysians regardless of race.

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QUOTE(hercules899 @ Jan 14 2013, 08:40 PM)
But do you think GLCs got enough positions to cater ALL Princes and Princesses ? NEVER gonna happen.

Basically, most of the well-informed graduates will try to get into GLCs or the MNCs. IMHO, if the Prices or Princesses cannot even get a Job in GLCs, it means they are pretty much at the the bottom of other competing graduates.

However, for non-bumi graduates , its different story.
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Are you kidding me, not enough you say?
Did you know 40% of PLCs in Malaysia is GLCs

Public service in malaysia employ 10% of the employable population, the highest in the world

Sime Darby provides 104,000 employment, Felda (now listed) 20,000, TNB 30,000, TM 25,000, Proton 12,000 Petronas 40,000, CIMB 37,000, UMW corp 10,500, RHB 11,000, Ambank 10,000. DRB Hicom 15,000, 2,000 to 3,000 Each for Wesport, Affin , Agro (formerly Bank Pertanian), Naza (actually 4k), etc.

I have not included yet (becoz info not available) for Maybank, MAS, Malaysia Airports Holdings, MRCB, MISC, CCM, KTM, Pos Malaysia (now listed), Media Prima (which include NSTP), Utusan Melayu, UEM, and hundreds more government agencies like Bursa Malaysia, Sec Commission, SSM, Sirim, Bernama, the list can go on and on, not forgetting State Entities like Johor Corps, Pasdec, etc.

Still not enough buy some more, like what happen to E&O, SP Setia, OSK , and the infamous sugar refinery biz of one of the richest chinese in the world.......
Why stop in Malaysia, buy some more and offer employment also overseas lah, e.g.


For instance, CIMB Group Holdings Bhd started embarking on this trail when it acquired Singapore-based GK Goh Stockbrokers Pte Ltd in 2005.

In April this year, CIMB extended its reach into the Asia-Pacific markets when it acquired Royal Bank of Scotland's (RBS) cash equities and associated investment-banking businesses for RM849.4mil. Last month, the group managed to gain a foothold in the Philippines, following its acquisition of a 60% stake in the Bank of Commerce, the 16th largest bank in the country.

Maybank Investment Bank Bhd (MIB), too, has been bolstering its presence in the region. Last year, it acquired Singapore-based Kim Eng Holdings Ltd and formed a significant regional investment group called Maybank Kim Eng.

Still not enough? dish out mega projects and divide in among gamuda, UEM, any JV between local and Foreign companies, e.g. DRB-Hicom with Mitsubishi. etc.

So apa nak takut?

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what I meant is WHY WORRY FOR THEM ? We should worry for the minority in comparison !
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 15 2013, 11:13 AM)
EnergyAnalyst,

Why do we need to worry for the MINORITY??

It had been 40+ years...

A) If they had not adapted, they either

    i) Moved oversea

    ii) Die long ago.

B) If they had adapted, it would not matter to them anyhow.  This is nothing new.

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so if no worry for the minority then who do we need to care for? NOBODY, Just our self? Abandon all hopes , Leave the country or just die? your extremist remarks is really confusing, and most of the time, I dunno what you are trying to convey here.


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QUOTE(hercules899 @ Jan 15 2013, 11:13 AM)
The total figure provided is roughly 300k jobs ( excluding government jobs) , there are more than 10 millions princes and princesses in Malaysia . Imagine only 5 million of them needed a job, these companies you mentioned only can provide 25% of the princes and princesses a job.

Then you said the GLCs can acquire more companies, true . but then they still have to rely on the previous senior management of the companies and most of whom are not princes and princesses. For example, S P Setia .

And not to mention in order to maintain their political status and also due to religion reasons, the princes and princesses just mass produce without planning . ( financial, educational planning for their offspring) .

Thats why i said no mater how GLC works, they can never have enough jobs for ALL the princes and princesses.

If my opinion, most of the unemployed grads , most of whom are  princes and princesses of Malaysia SHOULD NOT HAVE BE admitted into the universities/degree factories in the 1st place .
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As I have mentioned, the 300k is the one that we can get to see their figure...I have not included yet (becoz info not available) for Maybank, MAS, Malaysia Airports Holdings, MRCB, MISC, CCM, KTM, Pos Malaysia (now listed), Media Prima (which include NSTP), Utusan Melayu, UEM, and hundreds more government agencies like Bursa Malaysia, Sec Commission, SSM, Sirim, Bernama, the list can go on and on, not forgetting State Entities like Johor Corps, Pasdec, etc.

All add up what magic no am not sure. but i suspect in total will be millions, Also, please don't forget those non GLC whether Foreign owned MNCs, Pte companies still have to somewhat observe 30% employment of bumis as requirement...to operate or else have to write a lot of explanation report. mSia now has 28 mill, but not all are of working age. In fact less than 70% is of working age, see below:

Key demographic ratesPopulation growth rate^: 1.542% (2012 data)
Age Structure^:
0–14 years: 29.6% (male 4,118,086/female 3,884,403)
15–64 years: 65.4% (male 7,838,166/female 7,785,833)
65 years and over: 5% (male 526,967/female 667,831) (2011 est.)

So the total working force is roughly 18m only but should be even lower because age 15 to 17 need to be taken out so would some of the 55 to 64 years old
out of this say 16 mil, bumi is 8 mil lah since Bumiputras are divided into Malays, who make up the majority of the Malaysian population at 50.4%; and other bumiputra, who make up 11% of the Malaysian population.

Not all Malay or bumi end up working in Msia, there could be some working overseas, ALSO, Not all end up working some do own biz, some do from home, some just single parent working, so still can fit at the moment but i agree how long can keep up is any body guess, some sure even being Malay or bumi get sidelined, hence unhappy and want KEADILAN????

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QUOTE(hercules899 @ Jan 15 2013, 07:46 PM)
rclxub.gif . Your English is getting powerful.

To sum up my point in a sentence  .Most of the unemployed grads have the qualities of Ms Listen.
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 15 2013, 09:23 PM)
EnergyAnalyst,

It is not confusing.  You just CHOOSE not to see the OBVIOUS.

1) it is NOT sustainable to continue hire large number of BUMI into 90+% environment.

2) Furthermore, the leakage from 90+% environment is too much for the government to bear.

3) 90+% will die soon.

Now, can you IMAGINE a Malaysia with substantial unemployed BUMI??  Is it SAFE to live??

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Ok die die die. Whatever
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 15 2013, 10:50 PM)
EnergyAnalyst,

Tell me how can this outcome be avoided??

I don't.

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