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kingkong1
post Jan 6 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Jan 6 2014, 04:14 PM)
today's buys: 5738 & 5075

follow friends reco  tongue.gif
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any TP for 5738?
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post Jan 24 2014, 12:15 AM

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Boon3, kind enough to comment on Pantech based on TA? Time to bottom fishing? hahaha...
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post Jan 24 2014, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 24 2014, 08:40 AM)
TA comments are extremely subjective.  sweat.gif

Most of the time, it also depends on what kind of player (trader/investor/speculator/punter) the person is...  sweat.gif

For what it's worth.... (please note I could always be wrong)

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That was the first thing I saw when I opened my trading platform (KenMoney).

Not looking good was my initial impression.

Long candle down.
Much, much heavier traded volume.

Two of the most unwanted signals in a stock.


Looking closer, the stock had a nightmare trading recently.
After opening a small gap higher on the 8th Jan, the stock is clearly retreating.

And the sell of yesterday, clearly exacerbated things.... sweat.gif

Zooming out to a 12 month time frame, we have this...

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We need to zoom out cos from the first chart..
we do not know where the stock had been...
or where the stock could end up next....

So where's next?
Typically, my guess would have been maybe 90 sen or 86 sen.
But given yesterday actions....
where the stock gap-ed down, ended down on heavy volume, all guesses are off.

Why?

It's a sell off.
The very first day.
And the momentum of the sell off could take the stock much lower.

And I am ONE WHO FINDS IT VERY PROFITABLE NOT TO GUESS HOW LOW OR HOW HIGH A STOCK COULD GO,
would not one to be guessing....  sweat.gif

And zooming the chart further out...

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As can seen, Pantech had clearly been a success for long term traders/investors.
And most, would have known, that one of the main reason was the stellar turnaround in earnings.
FY2011 was a disaster for the stock.
But since then, the turnaround was impressive.
Markets love turnaround/growth stories...

So what happened yesterday?
What as the reason for the sell off?

So perhaps it's the poor market sentiments of late....
But we do need to find out what happened...

Yes, we might not know the exact reason..
but more often that not...
we should be able to find a reason to justify ourselves...

As most would have known..
the sell off was due to the much lower than expected earnings..
In fact, one probably would have called it a disaster.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...-earnings-slip/

Earnings was down 22.5%.

Price targets were lowered instantly.

Kenanga lowered its TP from 1.28 to 1.07.

One thing I know is when a growth stock, suffers a huge decline in its earnings, sharp stock price declines usually follows....


And this is what happened.
That would have been my guess.

Would I want to bottom fish?

NO.

This is something like Zhulian.
Although I would be less pessimistic for Pantech.
For Pantech has a clearly much better business model than Zhulian.

But a decline is a decline.
And for a growth stock showing decline in earnings...
I would rather wait.

I would rather pay the price for being cautious and if the bloody ayam wants to run, let it run... LOL!
I would rather wait for the next set of quarterly earnings....

Or if there is a positive set of new development..
Or if there is a positive set of development in the chart...

Last thing I would want to do, is to guess where and when is the time to bottom fish for this stock.

My long 3 sen worth.....  icon_rolleyes.gif
yeah.. I could always be wrong ....
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:46 AM

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jerrychoo2004 Still hold your smartag?
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Feb 11 2014, 09:51 AM)
eh no wor sold quite some time liao when it started going down i remember....just earn 0.05 cents....enough to cover brokerage only hahahaha
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Smart ah you rclxms.gif
Can share what make you decide to sell?
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Feb 11 2014, 10:01 AM)
no la just see it started bo power... people start selling all the way from a high of 0.155......i waited 1 day.....big mistake......2nd day still no power,.....so i throw off...i remember the price is 0.13 i sold if remember correctly......just pure goreng....if i am clever....should have sold off a day earlier when i see it losing power haha.....GREED GREED GREED.....in the end no earn lor
wah kingkong.....u stalking me ah  shocking.gif
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Consider good liaw lah... can act so fast. I again miss the good time to sell. mad.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 11 2014, 08:55 AM)
Looking horse-h hor. tongue.gif

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Satu enam la....

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So high ah? Make me sam yoke yoke want to hoot it kaw kaw... tongue.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Feb 11 2014, 10:13 AM)
tak ape.....sure got goreng again one....wait for the right time again to go in
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that will be 6 months later gua, based on the history. hahaha...
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 11 2014, 10:15 AM)
Hoot it!  tongue.gif

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Actually wanted to hoot it when about 0.68 but too greed, still hoping for it to go down. Too bad the train leave without me. doh.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Feb 11 2014, 10:18 AM)
hahaha if anything....blame Boon lor LOL cheers.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 11 2014, 10:23 AM)
Remember..Satu tahun hor... tongue.gif
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1 tahun > 100% return too good liaw. Worth to wait.
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Feb 11 2014, 10:53 AM)
i got hoot homeriz today oh  rclxm9.gif
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WOW...hoot at 73 let go at 74? thumbup.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:30 PM

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Boon3 Your chart is real time one kah? can see today's transaction.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 11 2014, 12:35 PM)
Yes, during trading hours...
real time charts is very important.

Most brokerage houses should have this in their trading platform software.
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My AmInvest up to yesterday niah...
Hle always hang, so never use. Not sure if there is such feature.
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post Feb 11 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 11 2014, 12:39 PM)
If it keeps a 'slow' and steady half sen or 1 sen gain...
I tell you hor...
your profits will simply overflow...
cos there's no telling how high this stock can go....  smile.gif

so just be patient....
watch it slowly crawl above 30 sen....
hopefully not so fast.  tongue.gif
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OK...take your advice. Cancel the quene to sell at 0.29, resistance level .
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post Feb 11 2014, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 11 2014, 03:44 PM)
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That's just my opinions which I am sharing with Ah Lamb.
Please no misunderstanding..
They are not advices.

Furthermore my opinions could be salah...sweat.gif
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No worries...
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post Feb 14 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 14 2014, 12:54 PM)
Ok 9326

Company manufacturers aluminum extrusions, anodizing and powder coating of aluminum.

Steady growing revenue business, but profit has been spotty, but got some improvement in profit from 2011-2013. profit have high reliance of raw aluminum ingot price as it is a feedstock for the company. To understand this we have to look at aluminum prices as the graph below. The steady rise in profit from 2011 is primary due to reduction of aluminum price since the peak at 2011.

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However spot price for aluminum has been steadily rising at early February from 72 cent/lb  to 76 cent/lb, but still a 40% below the peak of $1.25/lb.

If the aluminum price continues on its price reducing trajectory then it will benefit 9326. However all aluminum prices are transacted in USD in which it depends if the company can pass on the differences due to the recent devaluation of the currency. Sales are primary in Malaysia ( 75%) & Singapore ( 20%) while 100% of raw materials are priced in USD. Most of the sales are towards property construction companies and depend heavily on the property demand.

For the financials, the company is healthy, with some cash and some loan, however the company is not a net cash company. The PE ratio is more or less fair at 8x, unless the company can show further growth, then the PE ratio will be around there. The current weakness in the share price is due to no dividends, hence a risk for holding the company long term having no income while waiting for the price to appreciate.

Gross and net margins of 6% and 5% is not particularly attractive signifying the company does not have good pricing power for it's products probably due to high competition. Free cash flow is also ok at 1:1 ratio to EPS, which is fair. EV/Ebitda of the company is also around 8x which is also fair.

I would rate the company prospects as slightly undervalue, but the share price will be slow moving and highly reliant on the international aluminum prices. If there is a continuous fall in aluminum prices and continuous demand for property, I believe the earning margins of this company can improve significantly, also if the company decide to pay a decent dividend which it is capable of from the healthy free cash flows. But the opposite is also true, so it is a risk to be seen.
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I am amased... you can come out with this within < 30 minutes. thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

BTW, where you get the research besides the financial data?
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post Feb 14 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 14 2014, 01:26 PM)
Too much practice...  sweat.gif

Read the Q report, annual report, analyst report, 5 years financial, look at the graph, read the website etc etc...
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post Feb 18 2014, 12:42 PM

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Just wonder, is there any software or apps which can list out those oversold stocks?
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post Feb 18 2014, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 18 2014, 01:40 PM)
yes, please share the next winner  icon_rolleyes.gif
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ya....and how to look out for the winner.
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