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zweimmk
post Jan 9 2013, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jan 8 2013, 11:05 PM)
dun just compare windscreen la dude

my e90 lci insure 5k with vkool and jazz hybrid cbu is 6k with vkool

u wanna compare other parts prices?

regular oil change for my bimmer (though 6 cylinders) plus labour is 750.  i can change my jazz oil for almost 4 times with that amount.  abs pump plus labour is 10k, air con compressor with labour 3k

if u compare real continental maintenance with jap cars,ur really silly and out of ur mind

period
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*faint* You want to compare luxury marque against Japanese (not lexus & infiniti)? What did you expect? Plus your E90 is only covered by a 2 year manufacturer warranty, they extended it to 3 years in 2006. I know in 2011 they had some promotion and gave it 5 years. So when you bought your car? 2004? 2005? Out of warranty then too bad la.

And it's 15k service interval vs 5k service interval Honda City/Toyota Vios (mineral oil) or vs 10k service interval for Toyota Vios/Altis (with synthetic oil). Latest Civic also on 10k service interval now. City also may have gone on the new 10k service interval.

Honda City cost about 200+ to 300+ every 5k during my time of ownership until August of last year. Vios was about 270+ ~ 300+ every 10k on synthetic oil, my info current until 2008. Altis round 350+ for regular servicing and that was the price I paid before I sold the car off last year.

W204 C-Class service cost varies between RM800+ to RM900+ for just regular service (12k?) according to an SA. Is it even possible for the Polo Sedan to cost so much for servicing? Logic or not?

Even if the Polo is more expensive every 15k interval, the difference is you service less times vs the competition. So even if the cost of service is about RM400 ~ RM600, it's still reasonable what. It comes to be about the same or slightly more expensive, I don't know coz I don't own a Polo Sedan. We do have a 2010 Polo 1.2 in the family and I can always look up the servicing cost once I reach the office.

Breakdown problem, worry about it 5 years later. Now got 5 year warranty, don't even need to think about it.

*Update: No record of Polo Hatchback 1.2 servicing cost. But saw the sales record, the 1st 2 service is free as part of the discount given when we bought the car. Mileage... 15k after 3 years and only serviced once so far, LOL!

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jan 9 2013, 09:40 AM
zweimmk
post Jan 9 2013, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jan 9 2013, 11:14 AM)
i was jus speaking the same wave-lenght as u dude.

u started comparing a jap car (though fully imported) windscreen agaisnt a conti's one

i need to be silly when talking to a silly

got the point?

i have both conti and jap car (prior to my e90 lci was a fd2 2006), i know very well the diff in maintenance cost.

btw, i said lci, means its a facelift model, definitely not 2006 dude (silly again?)..mine is may 2011 car. 3yrs bsri n still under warranty. 

for those who think ur car recomends changing oil at 15k or 20k or 25k and u wish to follow, go ahead.

its ur investment anyway.  i recomend 7k tops even for mobil 1 la, castrol slx la bla bla bla...

oil is oil. period
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Wahlaueh, are you boliao? Manufacturer states 15k interval, then follow 15k interval la. Argue so much for what? Anything goes wrong, fxxk them and claim warranty them then move on. Want to service earlier, also can, better also if you change the oil more regularly, just pay more only mah but need or not?

Then your E90, I don't even like the E90 nor am I even half interested in the car. How I know what lci is? I only bother to go read up on it a little when you bring it up. If your car still under warranty then good la.

And I point out the windshield as an example, you go dissect my statement on the surface. Can think broader why I say that or not? doh.gif
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post Jan 9 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jan 9 2013, 03:29 PM)
Those follow 15k interval and sludge only happens after their warranty expires - ask them claim warranty n fu*k u is it boss??

M not interested to give what u say 2nd tots so i rest my case here.

just.... enjoy ur vw lol
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I already said, 5 year warranty, don't think about it. Want to think about it also worry after 5 years or else look elsewhere if you think that long term ownership is a problem.

Why you even buy your E90? It also got its issues what. All the potential repair cost that you list, you never thought about it? But you really care now or not? Worry about it when the time comes la.

Damn boliao man you. Got nothing want to find something to argue.
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post Jan 9 2013, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(blu3 @ Jan 9 2013, 05:05 PM)
Yea right, any expert can pin point Audi A4 1.8 pro n cons? During warranty period, no need to worry anything, after warranty, worry everything.. Lol
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That's part and parcel of buying a luxury conti. Euromobile has pretty crap service, that's all I can say.
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post Jan 9 2013, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(stix @ Jan 9 2013, 05:38 PM)
Had a nightmare with my q5 two months ago with its bloody oil kept on leaking. My gray dealer forwarded me to audi auto city where they have no freaking experience in fixing serious problems.
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Same, the Q5 we had developed an engine oil leak. And we had to wait 3 weeks for a slot at the service center (sent it in last week), its bad enough to have to refill the engine oil every week, then repair took 3 days and no courtesy car was given. Sheeeesh!
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post Jan 9 2013, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 9 2013, 07:17 PM)
I wonder why VGM doesn't just take over all VW Group models. VW, Skoda and Audi under one roof. Under the skin they are in parts identical or closely related anyway, and they cover different segments so the brands aren't really clashing with each other. More cars being serviced means it is more viable to increase the number of service centers, and everyone will have a SC nearby (more SC that can be accessed by all owners of a VW Group car rather than having to drive to the one responsible for your brand...). Spare parts can be shared, so makes more financial sense to keep stock, and mechanics are gaining more experience.
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Then Audi owners will complain of exclusivity. Imagine, in the wait area with VW and Audi owners.
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post Jan 10 2013, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(cody1508 @ Jan 9 2013, 11:59 PM)
VW definitely sits with the mainstream brands as Toyota and Honda. The only reason why a German would think a VW is more premium than a Toyota is all about perception, it's the reason why you would only find mostly Japanese marques in Japan or mostly South Korean marques in South Korea.

Why Toyota or Nissan or Honda didn't take off in Europe? One reason would be patriotism among the Europeans, best selling car in Germany is of the German marque, best selling car in Italy is of the Italian marque and best selling car in France is of the French marque. One other reason why VW is so dominant in Europe is due to Europeans' preference for hatchbacks, which is why the Golf is only a best seller in Europe, but not in other car markets that generally prefer sedans like the US and Asia. The third reason would be pricing, for example, the price you pay for a fully kitted 2.2 diesel Honda Civic Euro in the UK can get you an entry level Audi A6.
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Regardless, top 3 Marques for the past year in our neighbor down south was dominated by BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen. The Japanese are cheaper by about 15 to 30k compared to VW, yet Toyota still occupies 4th spot. If the price difference isn't too great against the Japanese, they will definitely prefer the German brands over the Japanese.
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post Jan 10 2013, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 9 2013, 07:54 PM)
Easy. 2 queues. wink.gif Maybe 2 waiting rooms. Free beer and Bratwurst. laugh.gif Courtesy car (can be used to create interest... maybe the daughter needs a new car... so if you give a Polo or Golf as a courtesy car maybe the Audi owner will consider buying one for their kid or wife?).

When you board an aircraft it's the same. Those who fly business or first class get access to better service, nice waiting room, they get attended faster etc.

Or my laptop... in Germany Dell treats owners of their laptops differently. Inspiron owners have to wait the longest in queue. Service is ok, but not great. Have to send in etc. They may try to weasel out of a warranty service. I have a Vostro. International warranty (worldwide from what I can tell), next day service with 3 years warranty (ok I paid for that), short waiting times on the hotline. They are quite generous, will replace expensive parts even when there is only a small problem, like a hiss from the screen. Go Latitude or Precision and the hotline is near instant, and I'm sure they are even more generous. (My screen was replaced after nearly 4 (!) years, because of a hissing sound. For a RM ~2400 laptop + extended warranty (RM ~550 extra), nothing fancy or expensive).

From what I hear in this thread it seems like VW customers are treated better than Audi customers. That's also wrong. And Audi drivers would benefit too. More SC, SC nearby, better mechanics.
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Then people will start complaining that service is slow because there's not enough workers attending to either marque. If VW and Audi showrooms are side by side, that's a different story. But if they share a common service center and showroom....

Also when Audi owners have free beer and Bratwurst, I'm sure the VW owners will also complain why they don't at least get nasi lemak. And then I imagine all the existing 3S centers have to upgrade in size also, which poses another problem.

It's a good idea though, just don't think it can be executed easily without problems.
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post Jan 10 2013, 04:09 PM

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I suppose they VGM or VW Germany can always set a target for Bermaz to sell, if you can't hit the target, we'll take back the dealership.

Aside from whatever politics, it still is a numbers game after all and they are in the business of selling cars and making more money.
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post Jan 10 2013, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(kenso77 @ Jan 10 2013, 04:20 PM)
But Bermaz has been investing more time and money on Mazda (which, admittedly is a safer bet) while Skodas are more meant for internal company car purchases. They don't even have a dedicated Skoda showroom in the country
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Must be quite a volume internal purchase, I'm sure they must report some sort of numbers back to HQ in order for them to keep the dealership. But why bother keeping Skodas dealership when the company is not really interested in developing the brand at all. hmm.gif
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post Jan 22 2013, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(SeraphimGecko @ Jan 22 2013, 10:18 AM)
agree on this sentence. I have said this in my earlier posts. not wise to be buying polo sedan. the 6DSG is still far better choice to get.  of coz price is the deciding factor here...
trust me. i have driven passat B6, passat cc, roc 1.4 and polo sedan. (not test drive for 1/2 hour type of experience, it is driving from home to office everyday in traffic jam)
the polo sedan really not worth the 99k price tag... IMHO..well neither are any of the VW models i mentioned here. car prices are way too expensive in Boleh Land.
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If that's the case, there isn't any other car you can buy either because every other marque are also:

1. overpriced due to taxes and duties

or

2. underspec for money paid

or

3. Both overpriced and underspec
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post Jan 22 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 22 2013, 03:16 PM)
VWs always cost more than their counterparts from France, when speced similarly. Not just here, overseas too. VW is always the most expensive non premium brand.

Also the 207 is a 15 year old design or so. I believe it was launched around 1998. By right they shouldn't charge so much for it.

Since the Polo is speced like a Vios, a bit better, it can cost a bit more than a Vios. That is who it is going against, that is the target audience. People who prefer NA engines over FI engines. People who don't want DSG. People who say 4 speed torque converter is the best, because it has been in production for a quarter century. Means it is reliable. Those who want a proper conti can still get the hatchback. That car is meant for them. The sedan is after an entirely different segment of the market.
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But oddly enough, I see the pricing on the manufacturer website as Peugeots being more expensive than VW in France. In Germany, certain models are cheaper, but certain models are more expensive.

But they do have some sort of rebate campaign going on.
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post Jan 26 2013, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 25 2013, 03:14 PM)
German cars have 2x as long service interval. Upcoming defects won't be found until it is too late. Usually service every 30k... Honda here every 5k, overseas maybe 15k.
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The new Civic is on a 10k service interval now.

 

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