Have anyone of you ever published something which is related to your thesis before graduation?

Let's say if you are carrying a small scale project using some variables similar to your PhD thesis and you manage to publish it prior to the viva voce examination.

Now, can you still claim you have a contribution from your PhD thesis if you yourself have published it prior to Viva Voce?

Not me. But I have seen many such cases. So I think it wouldn't matter.

Nowadays, publications is a compulsory requirement for Viva Voce.

Yeah, its the case for the Biology field I'm in..
I've already published 2 papers 1st, then only write thesis (Plagiarising from own papers XD)

May I know whether you are pursuing the traditional PhD route or the PhD by publication route?

Err... what do you mean "traditional" bro?
Traditional as in need to submit thesis?

UM actually allows students to omit the submission of thesis if they publish 3 ISI (Q1/Q2) articles iinm. I've achieved that requirement, but since my scholarship will give extra incentives for writing thesis, why not write?

I see. That's the one.

3 publications in lieu of a traditional thesis. (The PhD by publication route).

Current trend has changed to publication route (3 ISI papers compulsary)

The reason why is UM is now fighting to improve its world ranking, one of the main criteria is the publication of ISI papers. That is why.

It is not easy to publish 3 ISI. Are u studying Phd in Business and Management?
How long it took you to complete 3 ISI? U think it is easy to publish 3 ISI or do a final thesis?

True that, and the standard can only become higher and higher

Unfortunately no, I'm doing phD in Biotechnology
Published 4 ISI (3Q1, 1Q2) within 2 years, hope I can get 2-3 more before I leave

R u one of the lucky Bright Spark Scholar with full scholarship?
or i should say UM is lucky to have u for able to publish 4 ISI in 2 years?

Yeah, under BrightSpark How you know? You also from UM?
More like I'm lucky to publish 4 in 2 years

Yes, i just completed my Master degree with UM. So i knew abt Bright Spark.
My friends told me for Science field it is easier to publish ISI, but not for social economics related subjects.

I see, grats grats!! Graduating this Oct I guess?
Science, depends on the field... Bio and medicine pretty competitive... Engineering should be easier

Yes convo coming soon.
In general, social science is tougher than science thesis.
Congrat on your publication.

Interestingly concluded! The social sciences (anthropology, archaeology, criminology, economics, history, linguistics, law, communication studies, political science, international relations, sociology, human geography, and psychology) have a rich tradition, as shown by its various authors and theories found throughout written history. But, are the social sciences really- and merely- sciences?

The subject matter of social sciences is mysterious. But social science is also integrated into our systems of education, medicine, justice, politics, economics, etc.—and this gives it great power, hence great responsibility. Power must be exercised with humility, in the face of the mystery of being human.

For this mystery, though proven by physical science, is not even expressible in the language of physics or chemistry. Physical science examines the things of this world in terms of their physical parameters, but meaning, the collection, transformation, storage, communication, etc., of information, is not captured in physical parameters.

Your explanation are very technical. I like!!

haha, there's no way to judge which field is harder to get article published. But speaking from personal experience, I'm yet to receive a recognition from Tier1/2 journal reviewers to accept my paper, yet.

brightspark KPI is it 12 papers? 4 paper during your phd study (3 years), the rest you will become post brightspark to fulfill your KPI?

The Brightspark requirements have been altered for quite a few times and I'm not really sure with the latest requirements already, but the criteria they've set during my time is 3 ISI (Q1/Q2) papers during the 1st 3 years, and 7 more in the within one year after graduating

ic. so u need to follow the latest KPI or the one during your time?


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During my master, the proposal itself i published as concept paper, normal journal.

Once i finish my literature review, i converted it as survey paper, cited conference

Theoritical method / approach to be used i make as progress paper, cited conference. Invited to extend the paper in special issue journal

Tested framework as progress paper, i have 2 from the framework itself, both cited journal, 1 impact factor

Final thesis as full paper, impact factor journal.

Total - 7 paper during my master and enough for viva voce. Help a lot during your defense

wow~ impressive. mind to share which field are in in?

Engineering. There are thousand of online journal you can choose and publish ur work in this area.
I did my master in research university and publication is a must.

ic. i did my master in research university as well and 1 publication is a must now onwards.
well, i'm in biology field. i don't think i can do so.

Kinda hard to publish in biology field afaik but most of the journal are high impact factor one.
So u need to have proper data as a result, then it will be accepted.

i was considered lucky. my whole thesis = 1 tier 1 paper plus other side side co-author paper.
i think in biology field, is easier to publish that kind of "me too" paper but not a valuable paper la.

Agreed, Other people's work always seemed to be more valuable to me
The Bio-related work we do here in Malaysia are not as high tech

Could you give some bio-examples of those considered meaningfully high-tech or futuristically valuable?

I remember you have a solid foundation in Bayesian Networks. Perhaps, combining with your technical expertise, you can find many useful applications in Systems Biology, and make a difference using the open-source R software.

Hey man, good to see you again
Well, I've always fancied those who get the chance to learn and try out Next Generation Sequencing, whereas we are still stuck with the "conventional" methods T_T And of course all those biomedical and applied sciences which are often deemed more "valuable" research than what phylogeneticists are doing
I only know how to use the program haha, I have no idea how the underlying statistics for Bayesian Inference works XD
And I've also no idea how to use R too... I only know how to do some very simple statistics on R. The rest is just to complicated.. I prefer programs with a more user-friendly interface

Well I've been learning bit of R, but also mostly know basic stats only.

So are you working in phylogenetics as well?

Yeap, phylogenetics, DNA barcoding and a little bit of tissue culture
R is hard to use yo because of its command-style input system. Though many of the experts claim that it does offer much, much more flexibility once you get the hang of it (which I never did)

Well the R command-style input is just an IDE method to make it user friendly.
You can also write it in scripts and run as such. I've run some scripts like that (sample scripts, not written myself).

Cool, I'm also doing phylogenetics
Did that for my masters and now expanding on it for my phd. But mine is more on evolution.

Currently though I'm a newbie programmer in Python. So are you more involved in lab work or computing?

Ahh, you mean command batches? haha
Pretty handy stuffs~
But I'm using other bioinfo programs that are more user-friendly than R at the emoment la haha

Wah, good to know that there are also people doing phylogenetics here.
My research is more on lab work and phylogenetic inference. No programming and stuffs haha, don't know anything about those

As a phylogeneticist who does not only construct phylogenetic trees, but also explain the remarkable diversity of life histories among species, could you force a significant development in the field of phylogenetics, such as understanding how evolution shapes the planet’s inhabitants to optimize their reproductive success?

Most people would know organisms differ dramatically through documentary channels. However, most probably they don't know the exactness in how they develop, the time they take to grow, when they become mature, how many offspring of a particular size they produce, and how long they live.

Like we are fascinated by the origin of the universe, together, the age-, size-, or stage-specific patterns of development, growth, maturation, reproduction, survival, and lifespan define an organism's life cycle, its life history. Perhaps in the process of studying the evolutionary relatedness, you will find a more compelling reason for why understanding life history evolution is as important as biomedical and applied sciences.

Cool. I used to do that for my masters But then got sick of dealing with biological samples that needs to be maintained as well as dying on you unexpectedly..

So now I'm moving more towards full-time computational.. Nowadays with more integration between bioinformatics and experimental.. there is a possibility for us to do some collaboration in the future.

Indeed, that is a growing trend in phylogenetics nowadays. To examine parallel structures/molecules in other species and study from it. Just like how the engineers design aircrafts from studying the body/wing shape of birds, bats and insects. For example, how certain species like the naked mole rat that doesn't get cancer, or other species that are resistant to certain toxins/compounds.

All this could be useful in directing the research in biomedical sciences.

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Wow I really impressed you guys managed to published in journal with impact factor. I attempt to get it publish in such journal so far is in vain. There's one journal that I sent last year until now still in review...I dunno if that's normal or what...

Recently i get offer from UM bright sparks to skip master and pursue to PHD in social science, anyone here has experience in publishing ISI paper? I m still considering whether to take the offer as I heard that it is not easy to publish 3 ISI paper within 3 years especially for student without master degree.

I completed my PhD in medical biochemistry within 3.5 years with 6 publications.

Great! Where do you work now, Dr Ong?

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The University of Newcastle, Australia